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Controversial Therapy for Pre-Teen Transgender Patient Raises Questions

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posted on Oct, 17 2011 @ 07:32 PM
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reply to post by GogoVicMorrow
 


They're not taking any irreversible action, the kid is being given more time to decide.
The parents being gay has nothing to do with it apart from your bias judgements. The majority of parents out there indoctrinate children into their religious, cultural and moral impressions, which vary throughout the entire population. These two women understand what's its like to have societies expectations forced upon an individual to conform rather than allow them to be themselves. The experience is extremely traumatic for all involved, especially the child. At least there are options that allow more time for decisions now.
Having parents that listen and understand psychological torment is a blessing over parents that dictate with guilt trips by emotional manipulations or threats of violence. I know who I'd rather adopt out my child to, if were the case.



posted on Oct, 17 2011 @ 07:36 PM
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Originally posted by tothetenthpower
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

Would you say that same thing if the parents were straight?

IMO it's the kid's choice. Personally I would not do it, but then again I have no real details about this kid and whether or not he truly is a transgender.

I would not jump the gun and blame the parents. They are probably doing the best thing for him, which is give him more time so HE can make the appropriate decision about his body.

Luckily my kids didn't turn out gay, I always knew growing up in a same sex environment could potentially have an effect on their sexual preference, but I've proven, at least personally that it's not enirely environmental.

Not that I would mind if one of my kids was gay, I just think it's a hard life to grow up in, I know I had a hell of a time.

In any case, as stated above, I reserve judgement for more details regarding this kid and really I would need the kind of information that's quite frankly none of my business..

So there..

~Keeper

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.


REALLY? You think it is the childs decision, at age 11? They can make decisions on their own, that will effect them the rest of their life....I say no freaking way. If that were true I would have made myself into optimus prime and been a transformer the rest of my life lmao. Children are not mature enough to make decisions like that at such a young age, it is their parents responsibility. I think children are a direct result of their parenting, AND IMO it is child abuse to tell a little boy he wrong for being a little boy.



posted on Oct, 17 2011 @ 07:40 PM
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Originally posted by billy197300
REALLY? You think it is the childs decision, at age 11?


Absolutely!



posted on Oct, 17 2011 @ 07:48 PM
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Originally posted by Domo1
5. What difference does it even make if he avoids puberty? Are they going to perform surgery at 16 or something? I know the hormones take awhile but I don't think a child, or his parents, should be allowed to make this decision until the child is 18.


The difference is that male hormones cause irreparable changes to the body that make it much more difficult for a male to transition to a female. The deep voice and masculine skeletal changes can be prevented through use of puberty blocking drugs so that if the child does decide to transition to become a female, they can develop essentially as a female would have developed. This is not the first time this has been done and those that have gone this route and transitioned are almost indistinguishable from those born female.



posted on Oct, 17 2011 @ 07:49 PM
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kids dont have a choice until they are 18.

lower the age of adulthood or wait. cant have it both ways.



posted on Oct, 17 2011 @ 07:53 PM
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Originally posted by UnrelentingLurker
kids dont have a choice until they are 18.

lower the age of adulthood or wait. cant have it both ways.


They do with adult consent.

Kind of like ear piercing.



posted on Oct, 17 2011 @ 07:56 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by billy197300
REALLY? You think it is the childs decision, at age 11?


Absolutely!


If you had a 11 year old and they decided they were going to start making child porn films on the net you would think they were rational enough to make that decision on their own and allow it as a parent........or would you think they were being influenced by a screwed up adult. You say, well child porn and this kid are 2 different things....no, they are both sexual decisions that will effect them forever, NO they are not mature enough at that age to make decisions like this about sex, they don't even know what it is.



posted on Oct, 17 2011 @ 07:59 PM
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Yeah.. that's not relevant here though. I didn't say what they wanted or not. I don't care if gay people adopt kids or not. I'm fine with it. I'm saying the decision this gay couple is making isn't helping something that is already controversial to some and I think they are making the wrong decision due to their experiences being persecuted as lesbians and not based on insightful intelligent parenting.

And actually the idea you put across could even be used as ammunition to put an even darker spin on this.
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posted on Oct, 17 2011 @ 08:02 PM
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Originally posted by tothetenthpower
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

Would you say that same thing if the parents were straight?

IMO it's the kid's choice. Personally I would not do it, but then again I have no real details about this kid and whether or not he truly is a transgender.

I would not jump the gun and blame the parents. They are probably doing the best thing for him, which is give him more time so HE can make the appropriate decision about his body.

Luckily my kids didn't turn out gay, I always knew growing up in a same sex environment could potentially have an effect on their sexual preference, but I've proven, at least personally that it's not enirely environmental.

Not that I would mind if one of my kids was gay, I just think it's a hard life to grow up in, I know I had a hell of a time.

In any case, as stated above, I reserve judgement for more details regarding this kid and really I would need the kind of information that's quite frankly none of my business..

So there..

~Keeper

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.


Your kidding right?

I would say the same thing if the parents were straight. They are lying about giving the kid the drugs to delay the onset of puberty. . The parents KNOW by giving the kid hormone blockers the kid will be more likely to have these unnatural feelings longer - that's what these sick ladies are counting on.

Let the boy have his puberty and learn how good it can be to feel like a male FIRST, then let the kid make the decision, When he's old enough !. 11 years old this kid has no clue what he wants and is being manipulated.

This kid is manipulated daily by two ladies ( excuse me, females, they are no kind of ladies) with no male parent figure around to learn from what it means to be a male. That is dead wrong. That's why I am against gay and lesbian marriages because of sickos like these gals. Luckily most gay and lesbian couples are not complete sickos like they are. This kid is a product of his environment and does not know any other lifestyle but the one these gals teach him. All his life he has been brainwashed to believe in being a female because the female gender is all he knew.

This kid needs a DAD and some good strong male role models to learn from. This kid needs to learn how to hunt and fish and work on cars and all the things boys do. Then at 18 if he still feels he wants to be a Sally then he is free to make that choice having then learned the distinction.

These gals should be arrested and the child taken from them by the state ASAP for abuse and mental cruelty.
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posted on Oct, 17 2011 @ 08:14 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by UnrelentingLurker
kids dont have a choice until they are 18.

lower the age of adulthood or wait. cant have it both ways.


They do with adult consent.

Kind of like ear piercing.


An adult that would consent to their 11 year old having sex is a FUC%$ED up person and need their ass kicked. IMO lol
PLEASE tell me that didn't happen to you Annee.
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posted on Oct, 17 2011 @ 08:24 PM
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Yeah.. they are planning too though.
Why would they need to suspend the kids puberty for him to decide?
Suspending the onset of puberty to decide what? To being the transition at an incredibly early age I would imagine.. otherwise they would just allow puberty to happen. I don't think you can really say for sure who you are until you have reached puberty. There is a lot to be determined. Whether the child is gay, or feels like they are in the wrong body, or just has a natural affection non sexual affection for boys as most prepubescent boys do. They need to let nature take its course for a bit before they make a total mess of the kids sex and sexuality, two very different things.

Also.. you are foolish if you think I am bias. Go reread my post and try to use a little comprehension the second time around.
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posted on Oct, 17 2011 @ 08:35 PM
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An 11 year old boy DOES NOT KNOW how it is to be a boy/girl since he didn't enter puberty yet.

So HOW ON EARTH would he know that he doesn't "want" to be a boy?

Those two [insert your fav swear word here]s do not more what other people do when they "fix" (i.e castrate) their dogs or cats...this is mind-boggling! How would he ever find out whether he actually likes to be a boy (which also means to like girls)...if his puberty is delayed (respective prohibited all together by those two *****s ?)

Don't get me wrong, we have many friends, lesbians, gays included..i have no negative bias against those people...but this is just 100% and totally wrong.




he is given more time to decide.


How can he "decide" if he gets hormones which stop his natural development and prevent his natural, male functions/senses/feelings? He will never know how it is to be attracted to girls, how it feels to be a boy since he wont have the hormones..so how would be be able to decide? He is ALREADY turned into a woman by giving him those hormones..means he will not develop as a normal guy or see a value of "being a boy" since puberty is being denied for him (with all good and bad things coming with it)...and i think its more than a coincidence that puberty for a BOY is denied in a household consisting of females who are not attracted to men. What a "miraculous" coincidence this really is. As if it were not obvious enough.
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posted on Oct, 17 2011 @ 08:59 PM
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Originally posted by flexy123
An 11 year old boy DOES NOT KNOW how it is to be a boy/girl since he didn't enter puberty yet.


These children do know.



posted on Oct, 17 2011 @ 09:01 PM
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I have nothing against lesbians, have nothing against people who want to change their gender, but doing this to a underage is just wrong. They should wait until the person is legally adult so that he/she can decide for themselves.
At such a young age you are not mature enough to make such a decision and it is wrong even for parents to make such a big decision for someone that young.



posted on Oct, 17 2011 @ 09:01 PM
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Originally posted by billy197300

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by UnrelentingLurker
kids dont have a choice until they are 18.

lower the age of adulthood or wait. cant have it both ways.


They do with adult consent.

Kind of like ear piercing.


An adult that would consent to their 11 year old having sex is a FUC%$ED up person and need their ass kicked. IMO lol


WHAT?

Who is talking about having sex?

Seems - only you are.



posted on Oct, 17 2011 @ 09:02 PM
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Is this one of the same sex couple's natural children? Because if so he probably chose to come to her, and its probably genetic. It does run in families no matter what the Rockefeller institutions and subsiduaries say. They've done tests and studies for years. And twins that are separated at birth and raised apart have higher stats than normal for it., just as an example. Nonetheless, don't think changing gender should be done until adulthood.
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posted on Oct, 17 2011 @ 09:03 PM
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Most of you in favor of this have ZERO understanding of child development at the cognitive level. There is no way in hell that an 11 year old is able to comprehend this decision. This is wrong on so many levels.



posted on Oct, 17 2011 @ 09:05 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by billy197300
REALLY? You think it is the childs decision, at age 11?


Absolutely!


He's a kid, with very immature beliefs and hasn't even experienced his hormonal changes, so playing dressup as a girl isn't the same thing as when he goes through those changes. In short, he doesnt know himself yet and isn't mature enough. Period.



posted on Oct, 17 2011 @ 09:06 PM
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What medical body is sanctioning this type of treatment? Why hasn't child services stepped in and taken the boy into custody? This is a clear cut case of child endangerment and the two women should be brought up on charges. I would imagine after this media attention child services and the courts will become involved at some point; this is basically the equivalent of administering a child steroids to build muscle tissue so that a child might be more competitive in sports.



posted on Oct, 17 2011 @ 09:10 PM
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Originally posted by Annee
They're fine - - - society just needs to evolve.


Being sexually confused isn't "being fine". Try again. They need help, either one way or another so they can figure out who they are. But my little brother wanted to be a woman when he grew up. We didn't think he had identity issues, just him being a kid thinking he'd grow into a woman. But when you get parents who don't have enough IQ combined to open up a door, you get idiotic things like "oh they're a woman in a mans body" or vice versa. It's as simple as that.

Also, ever think that maybe it's societies fault that these children are "confused"? Maybe it's society that's so messed up that it's messing up our kids.



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