Herman Cain looks and acts more Presidential by the day!

reply to post by ChrisF231


Cain the only real conservative in the bunch? really?

Ron Paul can't win? says who? the mainstream media? since when did we on ATS start believing everything the media tells us to believe?

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
It's stupid easy to game an internet poll. Further, anyone can vote in online polls; A candidate might catch the ages 8-12 demographic en masse, and come out with 80% of an online poll... but tweens can't freaking vote, so who cares, right?

2 words: Justin Bieber
End of transmission......

reply to post by Convicted


I thought Mr. Cain said the Wall street rioters were un american? How can you support a tool for the Elite especially since the Elite set up the riots in the first place. Classic Divide and Conquer.

Very easy to see that Mr. Cain wants to split humans into two groups. Mr. Cain and the puppet masters set this entire event up to destroy the markets as well as the bond between the slaves, which are us.

Does anyone still believe they have a vote?

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Yes it would be helpful if one of their demands was for the government to follow the constitution.

The only two politicians I have seen outright support OWS was Dennis Kucinich, and Jesse Ventura. Both uphold and believe in the constitution.

Kucinich has proven you can be quite liberal and all but a socialist and STILL follow the constitution. Especially when he voted against the bailout and his biggest reason was that it wasn't constitutional!

But Communists? No I disagree with Communism even in it's most idealistic sense. We need to listen to these political protests but we always must remain true to the constitution. Let them balance eachother out.

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What the...seriously? Ron Paul, the only truly qualified to be president does NOT have the media on his side, if you care to remember when he first debated in 2007 and came out hard on the federal reserve, state of the economy, and blowback, he actually WON the text in votes of the debates, that was BEFORE he had a huge following, they completely ignored that and that is when the media realized he was dangerous to their status quo and they kept him on the dark side of the room while pushing candidates like Giuliani. If you look at how much support he has now compared to 2008, you'll see that his support has shot up in multiples. I have previously been voting by principle and I give you credit for that but you now sell out your principles and give up because the man you believe in, and the man that makes the most sense can't beat the very system that you are fighting against.


The media doesn't want Ron Paul to win so badly that they gladly accepted Cain into the top tier and promoted him to keep Ron Paul down, if that doesn't help you realize what is going on then I guess America doesn't have a chance at all.

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Ok, I stand corrected. I didn't vote at all in 08' because I was busy vomiting from the "top tier" choices we had in the primaries. I voted for Bush (the first term) and could never forgive myself for that one.. I remember using the analogy in 08' that was something like "we can either vote for snot or puke, I vote neither!" I have always thought he was an independent in 08' but you've got me there, so kudos.

I have payed close attention to RP for the last year or so. Ron Paul is the *only* candidate that makes even any sense at all. I'll go ahead and "waste" my vote on him, *if* I'm even given that opportunity at all.

****** I will reiterate ONE more time...for the SHEEP on this board...so they can finally get it..and explain to their friends and family


1. for months- the elite has known RICK PERRY might have to be sacrificed and go down..because he IS a KNOWN person by the counter culture of the info war as a bought for candidate....ie RON PAUL and Alex Jones show, have exposed them for months

2. not even a full 24 cycle seems to have gone by since RICK perry crashed and burned...that MEDIA Elite were all over propping up Herman Cain and pumping him as a front runner to Americans

3. Cain is a former FEDERAL Reserve BOARD Member...from the KC branch. he is a BANKER schill...

4. so now you know why Herman Cain is putting down the Occupy Wall St folks...and he might as well be putting down the Tea Party as well as many are there nationwide holding up signs and showing up. Now you know why Cain is bashing people who blame Wall St and the big Banks for our troubles

5. Cain's plan is called the 9-9-9 plan. ( invert 999 and you get 666---these cabals LOVE symbolism and games like this) it will attempt to do what the elite cabal has wanted to do for YEARS...that is to keep the income tax and add a VAT tax on top of it. Why? because it further destroys the middle class with taxation and eliminates many deductions the upper middle class takes. Why do this?- because the us government AND the FED is broke...the FED has assumed 100s of billions in fraud securities and is taking on massive interest rate risk as well. a 2 % rise in real interest rates would BANKRUPT the FED cartel

i can't believe folks don't get it yet


*** HERMAN CAIN is a fraud elitist and I'm happy to point it out to the sheeple out there

the cabal has multiple candidates at all times who will play good cop/bad cop...but have their loyalties guaranted to the top. please expose this to people.

Originally posted by Convicted

Originally posted by joeym1991
He's millionaire put on to the scene by corporatists. Save your breath the political system is JOKE in America and most other countries for that matter, government is controlled by very few MEGA RICH FAMILIES.

I would rather have a self-made millionaire like Herman Cain running the country
then some pothead who thinks he is too good to work.

edit on 10-10-2011 by Convicted because: (no reason given)

Dumbest thing ever heard

Originally posted by Convicted
LOL! Nobody expects the government to turn a profit. Since they are 14 trillion in debt with another 75 trillion of unfunded liabilities for SS and Medicare that guy would have to be Business Jesus!

Never seen any of the arguments for ending the United States Postal Service, have you? Or arguments for destroying public education? The myriad demands for ends to all other social services? The argument for all of this is that it costs money without putting back a profit. In fact that's largely the basis of any economic anti-government argument, "it doesn't generate profit." As if profit were a divine commitment orsomething.

What you dont understand is that to make a profit a business must be able to service its customers wel and efficiently. This is why its important to have a good business man at the the helm.

Well, if we assume fair business practices, sure. of course if we're going to assume this we have to assume that the employees are riding dragons to work every day, as well. No, sorry, the modern principle of business is profit by exploitation. That stuff about good products and services at fair prices? That's very 1940's. Nowadays though it's "screw your workers while selling the customers products destined to fall apart so that they'll have to buy more of them"

If those 1940's values still held water, Wal-mart would still be a bait shop in Arkansas.

Herman Cain could streamline government services to reduce costs and give better results, and therefor more satisfied customers, the tax paying American public.

Do you know much about business at all? Do you know what "streamlining" means in business jargon? Mass layoffs, for one. Removal of services and offices for another. Basically "streamlining" is a euphamism for massive, massive cuts.

Yeah, Cain would "streamline" services to the tax-paying Americans... by utterly removing them from the consideration. This is the same standard held by every Republican candidate, from Paul to Bachman to Romney. All of them. it's the party line.

Of course you'll still have to pay for those services you don't get; these same people don't believe in tax breaks for anyone below the top 5% of income.

lmao

you vote by looks? your the problem.

reply to post by TheWalkingFox


Dude don's even try to talk to these kinds of people their beyond getting help. They have come up with so many things to reinforce their logic of what's reality that it's impossible to get on the same wavelength, they have taken in 15 minute sound bites every night and watch deluded mainstream media for the past twenty years why waste the energy to debate on something so goofy LOL.

reply to post by TheWalkingFox

Do you know much about business at all? Do you know what "streamlining" means in business jargon? Mass layoffs, for one. Removal of services and offices for another. Basically "streamlining" is a euphamism for massive, massive cuts.

Actually, having spent the last 15 years as a business consultant I think my customers think I know a little bit about business. The focus of my work is to help clients develop processes to serve their customers at the highest level while remaining efficient and profitable in doing so.

You are correct, sometimes that means job losses, more times over the course of a year or two it means job gains as the business grows its sales, because it has customers who are happier and that refer their friends and families, and business acquaintences to this company because they are pleased with their interaction with these companies.

Truth is, some jobs should have never been created in the first place as they were the result of poor business processes created out of ignorance or desperation. Some jobs should be eliminated, because there are now better, more efficient ways to do things then there were even 10 years ago.

It doent do the company, its employees, or its customers a damn bit of good to be inefficient or deliver low quality customer service. As an extreme example, if a company fails to deliver they will go out of business and all the employees loose their jobs. Is that good for anyone?

Thats what you need to look at with the Federal government. We are over 14 trillion in debt, with 75 trillion in unfunded liabilities. We are running a 1.5 trillion dollar deficit year after year with no end in sight. You cannot do that for very long before your economy collapses. When the company collapses it hurts the elderly, the young,and the poor the hardest. There will be no money for SS, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare, etc... What good does that do anybody?

reply to post by joeym1991


Herman Cain Is goofy. But other issues you brought up are serious just to clarify.

reply to post by joeym1991


LOL, I am curious. What do you find goofy about Herman Cain?

He wins one straw poll and suddenly he is a front runner.
I really don't get it.

Originally posted by Convicted
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LOL, I am curious. What do you find goofy about Herman Cain?

Well I'll start by asking you a question have you looked into the 9-9-9 plan? I find it pretty amusing.

Originally posted by naraku
He wins one straw poll and suddenly he is a front runner.
I really don't get it.

Have you seen the polls lately?
He is tied with Mitt Romney.

reply to post by joeym1991


I have looked into the 9-9-9 plan.

What problems do you see with it?

Originally posted by Convicted

Originally posted by naraku
He wins one straw poll and suddenly he is a front runner.
I really don't get it.

Have you seen the polls lately?
He is tied with Mitt Romney.

Looking at polls right now in time, is comparable to looking at the statistics of spring training in baseball. LOL

reply to post by joeym1991


Thats a valid point but its all we have to go by now.

Thing is, Herman Cain is going to keep going up, because nobody really wants Romney. Romney doesnt even know what he believes in.

Bachmann willl go down soon and Herman will get her support. I think some Ron Paul supporters will move over to Cain once they realise that Paul just cant get above 12 pct. I like Paul, but sometimes he shoots himself in the foot. I like that because at least he stays true to what he believes, but it doesnt help him in the big picture.