Lisa Irwin - Missing - One Year Later

I've received a U2U concerning a member who has a strong opinion we must look into the FB page 'Justice for Lisa Irwin'. There's information posted from a 'dealer' who purports to know Deborah well. I'm not able to look into this at the moment as my FB is down. Can anyone help????

peace

reply to post by Dav1d


He talks as if he knows her.. why the secrecy if he does not? I dont' know too much to wade through.
I had an interseting thought today though. You know how HLN is the station that plays the most about this case? And everything is on hold for the DR MURRAY trial? I wondered if the attorneys and police and media are waiting for the verdict in this murray trial. So say the verdict comes in and half a day later, the case is solved. Would any of us believe that is a coincidence? It would be the ultimate in media circus and they'd have to all be in it together. I hope that is not the case, but I just wondered it this morning when the news again says VERDICT WATCH ie: nothing else important can happen until this verdict is read

reply to post by silo13


Im looking at his page Silo, what do you need? He s showing pics of some guy, says this guy is DEBs accomplice and that he's not a name we know of already and that he is the one who answered th phone call to MW's phone at 830 Pm from DB's phone..... He is awfully confident in his remarks. If he's full of BS, then he's quite an arrogant character for sure. I dont' know what I think of it.
Also a girl on his wall says there is a search right now at the river. Noteworthy is that Jim SPellman of Cnn's last tweet from last night said he was at the river right now. Hmmmm

Sorry tthis Search right now of river was actually posted 10 hours ago. Sorry for the wrong info.

I don't know what to tell or ask either of you. I can't get to the page. Please just do your best to post the info here as I'm unable to!

OH FOUL OVERSEAS INTERNET, lol!

I'm just dying to know what's being said.

It sounds as if it's important for Lisa.

Is it?

peace

i have been following the FB page since very early today....I don't know if we can post pics/status updates from facebook here? Do you know silo? That FB page is literally going crazy...I certainly hope this isn't a hoax...

Michelle

reply to post by silo13


OK, since I have seen an entire ATS OP based on facebook posts I'm gonna go ahead and post what is on the "Justice For Lisa Irwin" page.

All of this info will be taken from that page's wall post and can be found here.

Wall post reads:

Justice for Lisa Irwin

The truth will all be known soon Debbie. Real Talk: Do what is right, confess, accept a plea bargain for your life and tell us where the body is so Lisa can have a proper burial. Time is running out.

This is him, Debbie. You know this. I know this. And your family will know this if they are present when you see this photo for the first time.

The authorities have this information. And soon, all the world will have it, too. Very soon.

Debbie, you probably think I want you to suffer the worst fate imaginable. I don't. I simply want justice for Lisa. A person who has come to their senses and confessed their crimes should not be put to death.

The choice is up to you. One thing you can count on, justice will prevail. This will not be another Casey Anthony catastrophe. I promise you that. And now, you see I am not kidding.

DO IT FOR LISA. DO IT FOR YOUR FAMILY. THEY WILL FORGIVE YOU. GOD WILL FORGIVE YOU. BUT ONLY IF YOU ACCEPT THAT YES, YOU DID IT, AND THAT JUSTICE MUST OCCUR. OUR SOCIETY DEPENDS ON JUSTICE. INJUSTICE INJURES DISCIPLINE. IT PROMOTES FURTHER CRIME. DO THE RIGHT THING. AND DO IT NOW.

GOD BLESS.

Additional comments to that wall post from the page owner:

Justice for Lisa Irwin Good morning all. Let me clear up that the FBI knew about this guy long before I or anyone else did. I am basically one step ahead of the media, which will be evident soon. I say soon because I don't know the exact time - but hope to have more on that shortly.

Justice for Lisa Irwin ‎@ Carol. This guy lived at the same house Megan did. He answered the phone at 8:30. I have proof he knows Deb. More on that later.

Justice for Lisa Irwin ‎@ Jill if you want to post details about him without exact quotes and without mentioning his name, that is fine. I have an agreement to not post the name only.

Hope that helps Silo.
OiO

reply to post by Dav1d
You know David our system depends on people like you who ask questions and watchdog but the fact is we don't have all the info. We're depending on statements from the media and bits and pieces from LE. We simply don't know what LE knows.

I don't like this mob mentality any better than you. I agree LE/media is playing their role. Cases where children are concerned evoke strong emotions from the public...not an atmosphere that inspires healthy change or reasonable discussion.

You make great points.

Originally posted by Dav1d
There are some people who will always seek to condemn, who feel so bad about themselves that the only way they can feel okay, is to find someone to put down...

People don't have a very high opinion of the general public and the media runs with it. It's easy to focus on the Deborah Irwin's and harder for LE/the public to ignore statistics.

I live in CO I remember the Christopher Abeyta case. That family was under scrutiny as well. Accusations were made and Christopher was never found yet the parents aren't in jail. Same thing with Jaycee Dugard as much as her stepfather was suspected he wasn't railroaded. Look how the Casey Anthony trial played out. Although I'm sure you could point to all the innocent people in jail who were in fact failed by the system.

Whatever suffering adults have to experience is seen as minimal compared to that of the victim. Maybe that's unfair and a lot of people are forever damaged but again I believe the offender is always to blame. Because we aren't addressing these crimes with workable solutions they will continue to negatively impact our system/public opinion.

reply to post by Michelle129th

Hun, I've messaged to ask Mods that very question. No answer. I'm not pointing a finger, just saying.
Since ATS has a FB - I would find it strange we couldn't post from there?
I don't know what to say - maybe you can ask a mod - I'm sure my question got lost.
I'd say go for it, but, read the above just in case!
Thanks!

reply to post by OneisOne

Thank you so much.
I don't know what to say.
If this is true?
Oh my God.
I don't even know what to say.
I'll not go overboard now - not until we know more.


THANK YOU!

Originally posted by silo13
reply to post by OneisOne

 

Thank you so much.
I don't know what to say.
If this is true?
Oh my God.
I don't even know what to say.
I'll not go overboard now - not until we know more.


THANK YOU!

For Baby Lisa's sake I hope none of it is true!!

Just saw a tweet from @jimspellmancnn, looks like there might be new info:

Prepingfor 4pm EST liveshot on HLN. Murray trial could mess us up, otherwise we'll have some new #babylisa info @HLNTV

twitter.com...

OiO

I knew that murray trial was a factor,,, news can only be released ifits NOT INTERRUPTING bigger news? wtf

reply to post by OneisOne


Wow got the chills reading that FB page. I get such a horrible feeling looking at the picture of the guy they think is the abductor. They may be right, perhaps by them researching the riverbed it is a sign that BL and her outcome will be revealed.

After reading that page there is little hope in me left for finding her alive and if it is connected to drugs God help those guilty.

reply to post by wildtimes

Originally posted by wildtimes
We've been over this before. Some find it logical and sensible for someone who is afraid of being accused to hire a defense attorney. Clearly that's what this family has done. Some find it a "red flag" -- as in, if you have done nothing wrong, why do you need a high-roller, world-class, celebrity attorney, bring attention to yourself for weeks on end by perplexing behavior and the apparent refusal to cooperate with local investigators?

I, and others on this thread, have addressed this issue.

For a scientific and objective look at why this behavior can reasonably be seen as negative or suspicious, have a look at this site...seamusoriley.blogspot.com...
In the interest of ATS' mission, perhaps you can glean a little education from the link above, to understand how trained professionals *raises hand* DO look at behaviors, and the methods they use to do so:

Alright, let's look at this then.

What we have in the link is an random blog that is dedicated to dissecting and presenting opinions on cases in the media, written by an unidentified author that cites "Statement Analysis" in the title. Statement analysis has largely been dismissed by the psychological and scientific community as psuedo-science. There is no empirical data that it is even effective. The primary argument that is presented by it's proponents for it's validity is the number of convictions; which is rather circular logic. It's genesis is from a man called Avinoam Sapir who runs a business selling training for his technique called LSI Laboratory for Scientific Interrogation, Inc. He has curiously difficult to find credentials. (On that note I would offer the perspective of Dr. Richard A Leo--Phd in jurisprudence and Social Policy./ Specialization in Criminology and Social Psychology from U.C. Berkely as a counter point to Mr. Sapir and his method).

We are then presented in this blog with a list of unverified statistics and statistic based statements, which is highly flawed. We are then presented numbers applied to behavior (not statements,). Now, at first glance this looks good and "scientific" and seems to add credibility; it quantifies behavior in a very concise way. People like that, but it is not accurate. They assign a veritably arbitrary, and certainly subjective number to a cherry picked instance and attempt to derive from that an "analysis" of behavior.

Not to mention that the blog cited did not present any data with assigned behavioral values to cases where the parents were not suspects, this presents a biased perspective.

Originally posted by wildtimes
Quite diff from scapegoating.

Well you're right, that article is not talking about scapegoating, and I wasn't talking about that article, but nevermind. However, what it presents is certainly a mechanism to help legitimize, justify, and facilitate scapegoating. It may not happen, but that method makes easier.

Originally posted by wildtimes
You might have earned my respect. But no, unfortunately, the snide remarks and couched name-calling hint that you are not actually interested in looking at this case from a "behavioral science" point of view. I am a behavioral scientist. It is my profession.

Well in terms of snide remarks, you've got me there. I do that, to people who indulge in it themselves. You would attempt to discredit my motivation based on "couched name-calling" and snide remarks, when I manifest not even a fraction of what you have here.

As an example (because it bears repeating)

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Originally posted by wildtimes
n the interest of ATS' mission, perhaps you can glean a little education from the link above, to understand how trained professionals *raises hand* DO look at behaviors, and the methods they use to do so:

I would add "patronizing" to snide on that one.

Here is one:

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Originally posted by wildtimes
If afterward, you (and anyone else who is having problems following along) still have questions and aren't quite sure what I am "saying", perhaps a course in reading comprehension might assist.??

Oh nice. I mean wow. And I could go on, and on, but I don't have room.

On another note, you're incorrect; I am interested in looking at this case itself from a behavioral science point of view. I am interested in looking at the investigative process, the media dissemination of information and the public reaction to that from a behavioral science point of view, and this thread is absolutely fascinating in that regard.

Originally posted by wildtimes
This is common sense and some people are better at it than others.

Indeed

Report: Interviews of Baby Lisa Irwin’s Brothers Should Happen This Week

According to new reports, police are preparing to interview little Lisa’s two older brothers. The interviews, which will be conducted by a Child’s Services Specialist, should take place this week, after they were rescheduled a number of times. Police are still hoping to interview Lisa’s parents, Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, separately.

Just came across this. Still checking on the FB things....and still unsure how much if any is even true. I don't want to perpetuate rumours, but the person seems pretty darn sure. and it's pretty ballsy to actually post someone's picture if you didn't have some sort of confirmation or proof....

Michelle

Ok so if anyone read my post a few minutes ago about the murray trial vs. the lisa case, you 'll want to hear this. Spellman said 3pm Central time a new live update with new info about lisa '' unless murray trial messes us up' an now the VERDICT is in and going to be read i n.......... exactly just LESS than 2 hours ! I'm finding this unbelievable . Anyone else call BS and media playing tricks with this?

Originally posted by schmae
Ok so if anyone read my post a few minutes ago about the murray trial vs. the lisa case, you 'll want to hear this. Spellman said 3pm Central time a new live update with new info about lisa '' unless murray trial messes us up' an now the VERDICT is in and going to be read i n.......... exactly just LESS than 2 hours ! I'm finding this unbelievable . Anyone else call BS and media playing tricks with this?

It's complete incredible BS!! How on earth can you possibly forego breaking news in a missing baby case to read out the verdict in relation to (sorry if this sounds harsh) someone we already know is dead, and isn't going anywhere Man, I need something to stop my heart from beating so fast

Michelle

Hmm , Jim Spellman of CNN just posted on the wall of justice for baby lisa? Does that mean the creator of this fb page is a media insider? I mean , do reporters post on every wall re: baby lisa? Because there are scores of them now. Hmm

Originally posted by Michelle129th

Originally posted by schmae
Ok so if anyone read my post a few minutes ago about the murray trial vs. the lisa case, you 'll want to hear this. Spellman said 3pm Central time a new live update with new info about lisa '' unless murray trial messes us up' an now the VERDICT is in and going to be read i n.......... exactly just LESS than 2 hours ! I'm finding this unbelievable . Anyone else call BS and media playing tricks with this?

It's complete incredible BS!! How on earth can you possibly forego breaking news in a missing baby case to read out the verdict in relation to (sorry if this sounds harsh) someone we already know is dead, and isn't going anywhere

Man, I need something to stop my heart from beating so fast

Michelle

I agree with you both. Unfortunately I have been seeing posts on the internet about a HLN report that was given an hour or so ago. People are posting that the report stated that law enforcement is no longer approaching this as a kidnapping. I can not find any links confirming that, but if true that might mean they think Baby Lisa is dead. That could be what Jim Spellmen's report was going to be based on.

OiO

Originally posted by schmae
Hmm , Jim Spellman of CNN just posted on the wall of justice for baby lisa? Does that mean the creator of this fb page is a media insider? I mean , do reporters post on every wall re: baby lisa? Because there are scores of them now. Hmm

i was thinking the same thing...would a reporter do that? I personally don't think so. It must be someone tied to the case at some sort of official level. there are tons of Baby Lisa facebook pages, and I haven't seen him posting on any others...that Justice for Lisa I dont' think is even the biggest one

Michelle

they are reading the verdict right now in the dr murray michael jackson case. He was just found guilty of involuntary manslaughter.

murray case was mentioned earlier so I thought you would want to know that it is done. We will see what happens with the lisa erwin case