The Morality Of Saving People From Hell

reply to post by MarkJS


I'm going to say this one more time.

Mormons are Christians. Christ is their only savior who died on the cross for their sins.

Full name: The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints.

They study the bible.

reply to post by Annee

I'm going to say this one more time.

Mormons are Christians. Christ is their only savior who died on the cross for their sins.

Full name: The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints.

They study the bible.

Yes... agreed. They are Christians. The point of my post was: what kind of Christians are they? Obviously, I cannot from my chair- figure out all people's motives belonging to the Mormon church. But if they say that they are Christians...I hope that they are Jesus-based, not me (I did this, and I did that) based. It's a world of difference. One motivation is based on a Person, and the other is based on guilt and a need to 'tow the line'..... See the diff?

Originally posted by MarkJS
reply to post by Annee

 

I'm going to say this one more time.

Mormons are Christians. Christ is their only savior who died on the cross for their sins.

Full name: The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints.

They study the bible.

Yes... agreed. They are Christians. The point of my post was: what kind of Christians are they?

Ones that Christ would be proud of.

I can't say that about any of the other Christian churches I attended.

Originally posted by Shadow Herder

Originally posted by FloatingGhost
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[are you referring to Constantine? When you say kings of the earth?

The irony. Your Yoda quote in your signature " Fear leads to anger, anger to hate, suffering..." is a lifted from the bible according to some sources.

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear. – 1 John 4:18 NKJV

If we love each other, as Jesus loves us, we could be ourselves without fear. We could express ourselves without fear. We could live our lives with an abiding sense of acceptance and security.

Hm. Nice. Word.

reply to post by Annee


Ok last reply to you.
I am simply doing what the bible instructs; test all teaching against the word in the bible.
If anyone teaches anything that goes against anything in the bible both the teacher and the student cannot have the full understanding. This does not make the teacher or the student bad it simply means they do not fully understand the bible. Unless of course the teacher is knowingly and purposely distorting the bible which I do not believe to be the case.

I’m in no way trying to put my belief above anyone else’s. But the logic of most Jewish/Christian/Muslim based religions is flawed. Most of these religions will contradict the bible and then make the assertion that the contradiction is due to improper translation or man’s influence. If God is incapable of protecting one book from manipulation then how could he possibly have done that for any book? If God is incapable of protecting one book then God has very limited capabilities how could he have created anything?

I believe the bible is the one book he has protected and provided to his creation to guide their lives.

Originally posted by sacgamer25
reply to post by Annee

 

Ok last reply to you.
I am simply doing what the bible instructs;

And so do the Mormons.

They don't just "Talk the Walk" - - they actually "Walk the Talk"

Screw dogma.

This line of discussion has now ended.

Throw out all religions. They are all hierarchical pyramids to benefit those at the top.

Support your heart, and your own inner truth.

Believe in yourself. In your goodness. Preach goodness, not religion.

Luke 16

19There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

20And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

21And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

22And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

23And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

25But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

26And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

27Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

28For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

29Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

30And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

31And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

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What's the moral to this story?

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Are those people in your life who try to convert you to save you from Hell moral and correct in their actions?

If one sincerely believes in Hell and cares about you enough to try to save you from it, they must be a moral and caring person acting in the right, otherwise to let you perish would make them an amoral sociopath.

However, the more someone tries to save you, the more of an undesirable creep they are perceived to be. Religious conversion is often unwanted.

Is the attempt to save others from Hell a moral action or is it an unethical action?

the only one that can save you from hell is you.


it's not my problem.

eta; you know you are going down, i am not gonna waste my time on you.

you want help? i'm there till the end.

if i was michael the arch angel then that would be different, ya think?

then you would have no choice, lol!!

Originally posted by redstorm

Originally posted by Ashira


What's the moral to this story?

Stay poor and miserable so you can go to heaven.

No, Lazarus didn't have a choice but if You do make the right one: "Love others AS You love Yourself."

The rich man ate well and now He burns well because He didn't love well.

reply to post by Ashira


Yes but, thing is, exactly how do you love others as yourself? In reality it is not feasible to do so; you just cannot provide for and watch over everyone, or for the most part any more than yourself.

Originally posted by Ashira
The rich man ate well and now He burns well because He didn't love well.

Nice statement though.

Originally posted by Ashira

Originally posted by redstorm

Originally posted by Ashira


What's the moral to this story?

Stay poor and miserable so you can go to heaven.

No, Lazarus didn't have a choice but if You do make the right one: "Love others AS You love Yourself."

The rich man ate well and now He burns well because He didn't love well.

and what denomination are you?

laz flew too close to the sun. what does he have to do with anything?

lots of christian ignorance here.

hey you guys from france?

reply to post by redstorm


yup,


he messed up.

something about pride?

Originally posted by redstorm
reply to post by Ashira

 

Yes but, thing is, exactly how do you love others as yourself? In reality it is not feasible to do so; you just cannot provide for and watch over everyone, or for the most part any more than yourself.

Originally posted by Ashira
The rich man ate well and now He burns well because He didn't love well.

Nice statement though.

edit on 4-10-2011 by redstorm because: (no reason given)

You can't see everyone all the time either but the things You can do then do.

Satan has made society to where people are so busy that they even struggle to take care of themselves, that's one reason why people need the Holy Spirit.

You find out that by helping others in need then You will receive help when Your in need and everyone is going to need help eventually.

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yes, i stand corrected.