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The Morality Of Saving People From Hell

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posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 06:12 AM
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Originally posted by redstorm
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Nah. Means the same thing really.


Originally posted by Ashira
You can't see everyone all the time either but the things You can do then do.

Satan has made society to where people are so busy that they even struggle to take care of themselves, that's one reason why people need the Holy Spirit.

You find out that by helping others in need then You will receive help when Your in need and everyone is going to need help eventually.

Sure. You are right. But this does nothing to answer the actual question I asked.


The rich man had plenty, Lazarus was sick and poor, Lazarus was begging for help from all who walked by in front of the rich man's house including the rich man, the rich man wouldn't help Him, the rich man received no help from the Lord God but Lazarus did.




posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 06:16 AM
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Originally posted by Ashira
31And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

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What's the moral to this story?


From that line I'd gather that people rightfully don't believe someone can 'rise from the dead'.

44 And Jesus said to them, "you ain't seen nothin' till you're down on a muffin. Then you're sure to be a-changin' your ways"



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 06:31 AM
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Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by Ashira
31And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

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What's the moral to this story?


From that line I'd gather that people rightfully don't believe someone can 'rise from the dead'.

44 And Jesus said to them, "you ain't seen nothin' till you're down on a muffin. Then you're sure to be a-changin' your ways"



Moses and the prophets(every single one) Were hated, persecuted and a lot of them were hunted and killed all for speaking the truth.

People didn't believe them because at the time they didn't see them as anything else but common men,



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 06:34 AM
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posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 06:44 AM
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Originally posted by Ashira
Moses and the prophets(every single one) Were hated, persecuted and a lot of them were hunted and killed all for speaking the truth.

People didn't believe them because at the time they didn't see them as anything else but common men,



That's because they were common men, if they ever existed at all. And certainly they were hated, because religious conversion is often unwanted.



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 06:47 AM
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Originally posted by redstorm
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Lazarus should have gotten a job. Instead, Jesus brought him back to life, all stinky and decaying; who wants to rise from the dead?


Maybe no one would hire Him because He was sick, full of sores, stinky and decaying already?



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 06:49 AM
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posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 06:50 AM
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Originally posted by Ashira

Originally posted by redstorm
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Lazarus should have gotten a job. Instead, Jesus brought him back to life, all stinky and decaying; who wants to rise from the dead?


Maybe no one would hire Him because He was sick, full of sores, stinky and decaying already?


Or maybe he couldn't get a job because he was dead, and someone made up the story about resurrection.

Why would you believe an impossible claim in an old book as being true?



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 06:58 AM
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Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by Ashira
Moses and the prophets(every single one) Were hated, persecuted and a lot of them were hunted and killed all for speaking the truth.

People didn't believe them because at the time they didn't see them as anything else but common men,



That's because they were common men, if they ever existed at all. And certainly they were hated, because religious conversion is often unwanted.


They existed, too much truth, weak sinful Prophets and a crucified God, nothing else is like it.

If You wanted to make a religion would You set weak sinful Prophets and a crucified God as its basis?



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 07:00 AM
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Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by Ashira

Originally posted by redstorm
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Lazarus should have gotten a job. Instead, Jesus brought him back to life, all stinky and decaying; who wants to rise from the dead?


Maybe no one would hire Him because He was sick, full of sores, stinky and decaying already?


Or maybe he couldn't get a job because he was dead, and someone made up the story about resurrection.

Why would you believe an impossible claim in an old book as being true?


People should only believe what they have experienced themselves



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 07:00 AM
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First, your question itself is flawed. No human has the ability to save another as in Salvation. Only God has the ability to "save" you.

As a believer it is our highest calling that we share the Gospel with a non believer. Simply put, we share what we believe and why. It is not my job to save anyone. Once you hear the Gospel it is between you and God.

People today inevitably think that hell works like this: God gives us time, but if we haven't made the right choices by the end of our lives, he casts our souls into hell for all eternity. As the poor souls fall through space they cry out for mercy, but God says "Too late! You had your chance! Now you will suffer!" This caricature misunderstands the very nature of evil. The Biblical picture is that sin separates us from the presence of God, which is the source of all joy and all love, wisdom or good things of any sort. Since we were originally created for God's immediate presence, only before his face will we thrive, flourish and achieve our highest potential. If we were to lose his presence totally, that would be hell.....the loss of our capability for giving or receiving love or joy.

But back to your question it is neither immoral or unethical to share with another what one believes. It stops there.

Kindly,
Pax



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 07:01 AM
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Originally posted by Ashira
They existed, too much truth, weak sinful Prophets and a crucified God, nothing else is like it.

If You wanted to make a religion would You set weak sinful Prophets and a crucified God as its basis?


So you're essentially saying that it's so unbelievable that you have to believe it. That doesn't seem to be a good reason to believe anything.



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 07:03 AM
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Originally posted by Ashira

People should only believe what they have experienced themselves


You're claiming that you experienced Jesus resurrecting Lazarus? That's a bold claim and I'll need some evidence to believe such a thing



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 07:04 AM
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posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 07:05 AM
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Originally posted by paxnatus
But back to your question it is neither immoral or unethical to share with another what one believes. It stops there.


I agree wholeheartedly with this. And that it has to stop there, because once you get beyond that the unethical parts can start creeping in.



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 07:07 AM
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Originally posted by redstorm

Why would a God create a subpar race of beings? Sinful & evil & all.


It's essential in Christianity for you to believe that, otherwise when the heros of the bible come along they don't look quite as special. It's a bad literary device.



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 07:08 AM
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Originally posted by redstorm
Yeah. Homeless people have it rougher than any of us with computers and such could ever imagine. Thinking of things like that make me sad.


Originally posted by Ashira

They existed, too much truth, weak sinful Prophets and a crucified God, nothing else is like it.

If You wanted to make a religion would You set weak sinful Prophets and a crucified God as its basis?


Why would a God create a subpar race of beings? Sinful & evil & all.


He didn't, He gave man freewill, man walks where He wants to even if He's been blinded.



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 07:12 AM
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Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by Ashira

People should only believe what they have experienced themselves


You're claiming that you experienced Jesus resurrecting Lazarus? That's a bold claim and I'll need some evidence to believe such a thing


If You want to experience it just ask and I'll ask the Lord to help You, the only proof that people seem to listen to(me included) is experience.



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 07:17 AM
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Originally posted by redstorm
Yeah. Homeless people have it rougher than any of us with computers and such could ever imagine. Thinking of things like that make me sad.


Originally posted by Ashira

They existed, too much truth, weak sinful Prophets and a crucified God, nothing else is like it.

If You wanted to make a religion would You set weak sinful Prophets and a crucified God as its basis?


Why would a God create a subpar race of beings? Sinful & evil & all.


Because if we were not subpar, sinful and evil, we would not need a Saviour. God loves us all so much that he wants us to be with Him for eternity. It is by the very nature that all humans are in a state of such depravity and God is completely Holy the only way for us to be with him is through salvation which completely wipes the slate clean of all our sin, past, present and future. God did not come for the saints He came for the sinners. That means all of mankind.

Pax
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posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 07:19 AM
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