Republican: the party of ignorance and greed?

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posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 03:00 AM
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There is a huge difference between ignorant and stupid.


Yes, you are right, ignorance is IGNORING something.




posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 03:03 AM
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Originally posted by mastahunta
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Are teachers part of the communist plot you recite?





Some of them yes. Some are just caught in the system I imagine. That is how corruption works. People are forced to behave a certain way to survive. Some probably are used as tools without realizing consciously. Some are probably just tools of the Union.



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 03:03 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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Here's from the Eagle Forum


One what?
I think you need to tell me just what exactly you think you are responding to in order for your response to have any relevance.



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 03:12 AM
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Originally posted by Xtrozero
And as our government continues to grow who pays for it all? The "system" is way too large and out of control.

Military spending, health care costs, energy costs have nothing to do with why our schools are failing.


Most of the money going into the education system doesn't go to the teachers or is directly focused on students as example.


What's that now? I agree with the first half but you lose me on the second. Are you suggesting too much money is being spent on some specific students and not enough on others? Is there one kid with 3 textbooks and 2 kids with none?


The Democrats say they want to help the poor etc but all they do is continue to build a bigger and bigger government.


K. That is your opinion.


Republicans are not much better, they mimic the Democrats now and have lost all care for fiscal restrains, but the Democrats never actually had fiscal restraints.

The Republicans are worse because they still claim those virtues and they still magically collect votes from people. You like all the people that never voted for Bush twice.



Bigger Government is not the answer and never was.... There is not enough money unless we tax EVERYONE 50% plus but then this monster would just keep growing. Obama has reached new heights in spending and more important wasting than we ever seen before, so surly the answer doesn't sit with him.... lol

Thank you for wasting my time. You not only did nothing to address what you responded to, I am not even sure you are in the right thread. My pointing out the ignorance of our native tongue is far more on topic than this opinion piece about Obama expanding government.
I do not recall advocating for nor even mentioning either. I am having trouble finding them in the OP or their subsequent relevance as well.
Not talking about bigger government here.



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 03:22 AM
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Originally posted by neo96
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epic fail man read ats terms and conditions man read them whats the topic here?

not me or my english


The topic here is not listed in the T&C but it is at the top of each page and there is an entire paragraph on the first page explaining it.


Republican: the party of ignorance and greed?

Ignorance being on full display.
Imagine if someone posted thread claiming the GOP was racist and the first response in the thread was "No we are not racist, we just do not like other races."
You might find that odd, wouldn't you?

So when someone claims they do not like being called ignorant and can barely string together a single sentence in their native tongue I certainly seem that same level of oddity and more than enough relevance.

Besides, you said you wrote this way on purpose to annoy people. Why are you the only one that seem to be getting annoyed over it?








quote where i have said that?


Huh? I never said you said that. You said those things though. You said Carter STARTED the department of education. The DOE was created in 1867. So you see if you can puzzle that all together.


the op and that post hasnt gotten a damn thing right dont see your username proper english by the way
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The OP seemed to get at least one thing about as perfectly square on as you can get.

I do not get what the problem is. I asked why you wrote in such an ignorant fashion and you said you did it to annoy people. So quite getting upset about it or else it will start to look like you do not really understand the things you say.



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 03:23 AM
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Originally posted by FallenWun

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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Here's from the Eagle Forum


One what?
I think you need to tell me just what exactly you think you are responding to in order for your response to have any relevance.


Here is the specific post of yours I was responding to with the education



Let's talk about that ignorance right there.
You seem to blame Democrats for spending money on a failing system. So the Democrats throw money at it.
Do you honestly believe the CAUSE of the failure is too much money?
What has the other party been up to?
Firing teachers.
Cutting funding for schools and related after school programs.
Trying to insert imaginary friends into Science books.
No Child Left Behind.
Tell me the problem is too much money so we can really discuss ignorance.





I think I did a pretty good knock-up job explaining why education is so messed up....the outcome based education designed by Progressives pushing the Progressive agenda pushing Alinsky's rules for radicals, Marxist agendas, etc.
Of course there's much more to be said.
And yes, throwing more and more money at it does not solve the problem. But we know, and especially since the Wisconsin protest, that the Unions are creating an even bigger mess with constant demands. That is probably where a lot of the real money goes. But it also goes into all the Progressive courses. Spending more money does not make it a better education system.
They need to get out of the business of social engineering.
Ask a teacher, if you don't believe me, what is outcome based education, what it's purpose is, and ask about the even older values clarificaton.
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posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 03:28 AM
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Originally posted by neo96
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and you misunderstood thinking

i give a crap what other people think on here.


You are the one that keeps responding to me. I just asked you for some data and I got two pages of love letters from you.


people are free to agree or disagree with the things i say


So you think facts are things for people to agree or not on? That seems rather ignorant, don't you think? Facts are facts. They are not up for debate. That is why they are facts. You stated something as a fact and I asked for data. If it was just an opinion you could have said that a wile ago but I guess you really wanted to drag our time together out?


what i dont do is shove an opinion down there throats


Says the poster who repeats his opinion 3 times in just this thread.



and i dont go making fun of their english
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Neither do I. I never made fun of your English. I pointed out that while you were getting your panties in a bunch over being called ignorant you were display a great level of ignorance when it comes to the language you were raised to speak.

I promise if you grab a dictionary and learn some words - you know deny ignorance - you will be a little less defensive and perhaps even constructive.

Anyway, thanks for the laughs. I think if anyone is going to argue that the GOP is not all about ignorance and greed it should not be the one poster that both claims to be richer than rich and chooses to type ignorantly. That kind of irony could hurt someone.



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 03:36 AM
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Wikipedia has the Dept of Education starting on Oct 17, 1979, That's the end of the Carter admin.

Here's what it says about the Dept of Ed

A previous Department of Education was created in 1867 but soon was demoted to an Office in 1868.[3] As an agency not represented in the president's cabinet, it quickly became a relatively minor bureau in the Department of the Interior. In 1939, the bureau was transferred to the Federal Security Agency, where it was renamed the Office of Education. In 1953, the Federal Security Agency was upgraded to cabinet-level status as the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare.
Upgrading Education to cabinet level status in 1979 was controversial and opposed by many in the Republican Party, who saw the department as unconstitutional, arguing that the Constitution doesn't mention education, and deemed it an unnecessary and illegal federal bureaucratic intrusion into local affairs. However many liberals and Democrats see the department as constitutional under the Commerce Clause, and that the funding role of the Department is constitutional under the Taxing and Spending Clause.


en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 03:36 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Wrong! I was responding to the discussion you were having about education. Remember education is supposed to be what dispels ignorance.


And the only questions I asked were
-How much?
-For how long?

Your response of "look here is some stuff now and some commie crap too answers either one of those questions how?


And of course you have to accuse me or others of not having our own ideas or thoughts, we must be actors on someone else's behalf....


I am not really sure that I said that but let me hear you all call SS a Ponzi scheme again. I am starting to enjoy the harmonies. Say socialism. All together!


Also, I am refuting the concept of Republican ignorance by showing how depleted the education system is because it is controlled mainly by the Progressive agenda.
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You might think that is what you are doing but what you are actually DOING is simply TRYING and so far it looks as if you are going to need to try much harder.



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 03:49 AM
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I think you are beginning to get a bit unsettled. You appear to be a bit rattled. Did I upset you with the "data" about communist subversion and Marxist infiltration in our schools? Did I upset your equilibrium with the "data" about the NEA pushing Alinky's Rules for Radicals and the Communist Manifesto?

I have given you clear evidence to back up my claim that the Democrats and Progressives have an agenda in the educational system. I have shown the agendas of Democrats as expressed in their desires to use social engineering in the schools to achieve their Progressive goals. That Eagle Forum article was from 2007 even, before Barack was elected POTUS.
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posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 03:51 AM
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You might think that is what you are doing but what you are actually DOING is simply TRYING and so far it looks as if you are going to need to try much harder.


No, what you need to do is read the information I provided with a logical mind and not the over-emotional defense mechanism of shutting out the truth. Try it.



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 04:00 AM
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I am not really sure that I said that but let me hear you


Sure you did, you suggested that those of us on this thread who were Republican must be actors on behalf of the OP.



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 04:04 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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There is a huge difference between ignorant and stupid.


Yes, you are right, ignorance is IGNORING something.


What are you talking about?
I never said that. I would not say that. That would be wrong.
So it turns out that you came in this thread upset about the suggestion that your side is ignorant and it turns out that you are ignorant of the meaning of ignorant?
Damn. I did not see that coming.
Ignoring and Ignorant are not synonyms.



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 04:16 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Here is the specific post of yours I was responding to with the education


In which I did not ask for one anything so I am still at a loss as to what that is one of. I have repeated my question for you several times now. You seem to be having a very hard time understanding the posts you respond to,


I think I did a pretty good knock-up job explaining why education is so messed up....the outcome based education designed by Progressives pushing the Progressive agenda pushing Alinsky's rules for radicals, Marxist agendas, etc.


I am sure you did. I never for a moment thought you lacked confidence.


Of course there's much more to be said.
And yes, throwing more and more money at it does not solve the problem. But we know, and especially since the Wisconsin protest, that the Unions are creating an even bigger mess with constant demands.


Specifically what demands are you addressing? The only thing they were asking for was the right to bargain. Money was off the table and I never really saw anyone prove to me that they were already being paid too much in the first place.
I would really like to specifically know for a fact where the money is actually really going before I bother casting dispersions that would blame decades of trouble on many people not old enough to have any part in it.
Have anything like that because the last time I checked it cost nothing to just let them retain the right to bargain.


That is probably where a lot of the real money goes.


See I do not understand you and many of your kind for this right here. This really does speak to the OP. You have a pretty strong opinion on all this. You seem to be 100% sure of yourself in anything and everything you express. Then all I do is ask people for facts and it comes crumbling down to "probably."

To me, having such strong opinions about things you are technically ignorant of is the epitome of ignorance. Can you honestly tell me that you feel you are an intelligent, well informed, emotionally mature, politically aware all while having such strong opinions based on "probably?"


But it also goes into all the Progressive courses.

Such as?
Be specific.


Spending more money does not make it a better education system.


No, JUST spending more money does not make it a better education system.


They need to get out of the business of social engineering.


I agree with that but I do not see that as being anywhere near the top of the list of problems right now.


Ask a teacher, if you don't believe me, what is outcome based education, what it's purpose is, and ask about the even older values clarificaton.

I do not have to. I know the answer and I agree. The type of programs BUSH pushed through - outcome based education - have proven to be a miserable failure. What party was Bush again?



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 04:23 AM
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Originally posted by FallenWun

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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There is a huge difference between ignorant and stupid.


Yes, you are right, ignorance is IGNORING something.


What are you talking about?
I never said that. I would not say that. That would be wrong.
So it turns out that you came in this thread upset about the suggestion that your side is ignorant and it turns out that you are ignorant of the meaning of ignorant?
Damn. I did not see that coming.
Ignoring and Ignorant are not synonyms.



ig·no·rance

The condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed
lack of knowledge, information, or education; the state of being ignorant




www.thefreedictionary.com...

Whereas stupidity is a bit worse


Definition of Stupidity
The quality or state of being stupid; extreme dullness of perception or understanding; insensibility; sluggishness.


www.brainyquote.com...

definition of stupid

Slow to learn or understand; obtuse.

Tending to make poor decisions or careless mistakes.
3. Marked by a lack of intelligence or care; foolish or careless: a stupid mistake.
4. Dazed, stunned, or stupefied.
5. Pointless; worthless: a stupid job.



www.thefreedictionary.com...


So, yes, I agreed there was a difference between stupidity and ignorance



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 04:24 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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Wikipedia has the Dept of Education starting on Oct 17, 1979, That's the end of the Carter admin.




You are a freakin' riot. Just so we are all on the same page here.

Republican: the party of ignorance and greed?



1. Wikipedia is not a source.
2. Not it does not.
3. Your own quoted text debunks you.



Here's what it says about the Dept of Ed

A previous Department of Education was created in 1867


How about we stop right there for a quick sec.
What year do you believe it says there?
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posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 04:28 AM
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WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
That post had nothing to do with stupidity. You said ignorance and ignoring were the same thing and that you got that from me. I never said it and they are not the same thing. How the hell did you write this in response to that?



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 04:37 AM
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Your conversation here reminded me of a little quote....

“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” Benjamin Franklin

(Couldn't resist sharing it,it is such a good one!)



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 04:38 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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I think you are beginning to get a bit unsettled. You appear to be a bit rattled. Did I upset you with the "data" about communist subversion and Marxist infiltration in our schools? Did I upset your equilibrium with the "data" about the NEA pushing Alinky's Rules for Radicals and the Communist Manifesto?


If laughing my ass off is unsettled then so be it. Stop projecting as it is a weak old tactic to attempt to paint the opposition as crazy and unsettled instead of you know, actually making a valid point. You worry about you.

I am not sure why you would think your completely irrelevant noise would upset me. It did not apply to anything I was discussing with anyone and it did nothing to make any point to me with regard to anything said or disputed in any conversation I was having.

What it did do though is highlight the concept of that party of no also being the party of "stop making me think about stuff, here look at me prepped talking points and hear commie!" Which certainly helps the OP here.


I have given you clear evidence to back up my claim that the Democrats and Progressives have an agenda in the educational system.


Good for you. I will let you know when I am looking for any of that and you can do it all over again. In the meantime I could care less as it had NOTHING to do with anything I was discussing. You even quoted the post twice and failed to comprehend it.


I have shown the agendas of Democrats as expressed in their desires to use social engineering in the schools to achieve their Progressive goals. That Eagle Forum article was from 2007 even, before Barack was elected POTUS.
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I am sure you think you exposed something. I know commies are around your every corner. I kind of feel badly that you had such a hard time following along given the subject of the thread.

What really kills me is that I know there are some very intelligent and informed righties around here but for some reason those do not seem to be the ones in a thread that so desperately needs them.



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 04:42 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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I am not really sure that I said that but let me hear you


Sure you did, you suggested that those of us on this thread who were Republican must be actors on behalf of the OP.


No. I never "suggested" that at all.
Really, if you are ignorant of your native tongue this is not the thread to be so vocal in.





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