Originally posted by spiritualzombie

You're right, it was to engage in a discussion.

One thing I wonder is... do you think this republican platform of ignorance will be a permanent stance or will they one day return to a more reasonable ideology that doesn't require a denial of facts?? For instance... more Ron Paul style honesty and less FOX News, Rush, Palin style misinformation? Honest question...

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The above reminds me of that saying; "How long has it been since you've stopped beating your wife?"

Having a discussion with someone who defines the narritive in such a format is embracing ignorance.

Originally posted by spiritualzombie


Yes, how absurd to hold Bush responsible for anything despite him being the man on watch when we had our first homeland attack in 60 years, engaged in a never ending war on terrorism, and tanked our economy on his exit.

Ok, let's argue this from the limited perspective you seem to advocate. Obama has had 3 years to try it his way. He had complete control over congress for 2 of those years. Thus, where we are now is no longer JUST Bush's fault. Obama and his party must share responsibility.

Originally posted by spiritualzombieThis is the ridiculous absurd mind-boggling level of ignorance I'm talking about.

I am sorry, but ignorance is believing that either party, much less one man, is completely responsible for the mess we are in. Deny Ignorance. BOTH parties have looted the treasury, and BOTH parties laugh at us for our inability to hold them responsible. BOTH parties serve only their true masters, and "we ain't them". We are serfs upon the land at best. We exist to serve them and their masters. Unless we actually work to end the two party illusion, and embrace the Constitution as originally written, we will all end up as chattel.

Originally posted by spiritualzombieSeriously, you don't see Bush's impact on where we are today?????? Were you born in 2009??? Republicans, please, stand up to this ignorance. If you recognize your responsibility, please indicate it so the rest of the world can begin to take you seriously.

Wake up. Bush was no more the cause of this mess than Obama is. You can't just blame one person. Wake up! Congress controls the budget. Even a small minority could have worked to obstruct the system and force change. The Tea Party is trying to inject some kind of fiscal sanity into our budgeting process and are being truly vilified for doing so. This shows us that democrats or republicans in the minority could have effectively opposed much of the spending that got us here. They never did. Why not? Why has Obama not brought the troops home despite his promise to do so? WAKE UP! Obama could bring the troops home and stop the wars at any time. He is supposedly the commander and chief. So, why doesn't he? Wake up before it is too late.

Originally posted by spiritualzombie
From the denials of global warming and man's impact on the environment, to their constant loyalty toward corporations and support for war in oil rich nations, blind nationalism, hatred and distrust of outsiders, while always saving judgement and cynicism for the poor, the needy, the sick, the peace loving, and environmentally conscious. Does the mainstream republican base rely solely on a mixture of ignorance and greed?

There is something extremely disturbing about this hive mentality. In fact if you notice in debates and other discussions... republicans who do not embrace the hive mentality are shunned from the group.

I don't understand how any free-thinking, socially conscious person can embrace this twisted mentality? In order to support today's Republican party must a person also embrace Ignorance and/or Greed?

7 of the 10 richest Congressmen are Democrats. Greedy Republicans what?

Our sitting Democrat president, and the Democrat-controlled Senate continue to wage war on sovereign nations for their oil. Real peace loving there, huh?

You say Republicans are a hive mentality? It's not Republicans that celebrate kollectivism. Republicans tend toward an individualist, personal responsibility mindset. Republicans tend to not take away from the many and give to the few, even if the many can't really afford it, no matter how much rich Democrats tell them they can.

You're beyond ignorant. Grow up and wean yourself off of what mother government is spoon feeding you.

/TOA

I'm curious - do you work spiritualzombie? or do you sponge off the american taxpayers?

Land mines on the border!!!!!! I'm all for it!

Friend i can tell you are literally on the verge of an awakening. It might come after the next election.

To start i am a liberal at heart. Come from a liberal family. Born and raised in a big city. University, hippy youth, traveled to India, dreadlocks and DMT. Live and let live. Share with those who need it. Respect one another and unite with a common goal of raising the entire human race up through responsibility to each other and the earth. Greed is societal death. But i was never really a political person. I was more interested in personal freedom through self awareness, understanding self. Becoming true.

When i first heard about Obama i became interested. I was all over fox news prior to the election pumping Obama. Loved him. I was a true believer. He represented everything Bush wasn't. Hated Bush. Evil, potentially the anti-christ if there ever was one. War monger, idiot. Just evil, ignorant, crass so full of himself. I couldn't understand for the life of me who in the hell would support this idiot and what he was doing? The wars, patriot act, debt.. just insanity.

To me politics is a side show. Who cares? It is a distraction from true freedom. If you believe these people/government are keeping you from true freedom (enlightenment) etc. then you are way off track. Anyone is free to do what they want if they are willing to manage the consequences.

But i am also curious. One night not long after Obama's win i stumbled on some Republican website. I couldn't tell you what it was but it was not ANYTHING i believed to be republican values. I read page after page about liberty and freedom and started to form a real understanding of what made the United States as a culture and society DIFFERENT than an other in history. This stuff resonated with me. It was beyond political. It is philosophical and 100% true. Calling it republican is dangerous because the label scares most people like me.

You need to understand what real freedom and liberty is. There is no better cornerstone in which to build a society. Without freedom and liberty you have tyranny. There is NO OTHER WAY.

When you look at the GOP right now there is not a true republican in the bunch. Ron Paul comes close.

Here is my point. the Government is BROKEN. Obama is George Bush. They are characters. Do not look at what they say. Because they sell you ideals that they have no intention of manifesting. They are puppets.

You look at the republican side show and say "Look how ignorant they are!!". But that side show is NOT REPUBLICAN. The same way a real republican looks at the Liberal side show and says "Look how stupid they are!" and you know that's not LIBERAL.

Dude, the liberal side show is a bunch of lies, it is fascism. It is the most CORPORATELY corrupted government in the HISTORY of the USA. Obama's entire cabinet is WALL STREET. And the GOP coming in will make it EVEN WORSE. Because they ARE THE SAME. There is one thing BOTH of these parties hate. And that is FREEDOM and LIBERTY. They HATE it.

If you do not give freedom and liberty to the individual you cannot have a healthy society. If you believe a government is required to control people than you have not experienced true freedom. If you understand freedom then you NEED everyone around you to have it.

Carbon Offsets are an absolute 100% scam. Carbon Tax? How about glutton tax? Or War tax? How about violence tax? I can tell you that Carbon taxes will not help the environment ONE BIT. Again we have an ideal that has been hijacked (environmental responsibility) to profit a select group both financial and politically. If you think republicans do not care about the earth you are dead wrong. Many of them are naturalists and actually live and work the land. They love and NEED the environment. But isn't it a joke that we have the UN literally mandating a tax to reduce carbon while there has never been a tax mandated to stop war or reduce starvation? Just open your eyes. Again helping the earth is great, the scum that are pushing this tax could care less about the earth. THEY ARE THE ONES DESTROYING IT!!! They are the ones with the plastic addiction.. where i can't go to the store and buy anything without it being ENCASED in plastic. The oil companies LOVE the carbon tax and stand to make billions. Go research it. I am a software developer creating software to calculate carbon for fortune 500 companies. I can't say more other than it is a sham. I am a sham for participating in it.

Anyway, you will wake up one day and realize the Liberal party you have aligned yourself with is not anywhere near good enough. In fact they are as bad as the republican party. Which is what everyone means when they say they are the same. They are both equally terrible.