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Originally posted by itsthetooth
reply to post by Varemia
I'm sorry but this new link you sent me, as nice and informative as it is, also appears to be written by an evolutionist according to the options at the bottom of the page.
Originally posted by itsthetooth
The question is should they have to. I think you have the global access backwards, it was the need that drove that access.
That has nothing to do with what I'm talking about
Well that's a good point but you do also have to take into account the fact that when things are out of balance (which they are in a bad way right now). It's when things are out of balance that everything else can be off as well.
That's because there were many things also brought to earth to help us as well. But with that keep in mind that its also written that those things that were brought to earth for us, are not from our home, so they are not part of our intended diet.
Which is somewhat true, but our need for calcium actually goes up with age.
I tend to believe in more strict circumstances. From a creationist point of view, I look at it like this, if someone was smart enough to make us, then they would also be smart enough to make a planet and food to accommodate us as well.
Well I never met anyone that didn't want to be healthy, but I think your confusing foods we can get by on for a short time with an acceptable diet.
So if your implying that cows milk was meant for us, isn't that the same as saying that our food is supposed to make us sick?
Which is a dead on clue that we shouldn't have to cook our food. But in situations where we have to, it becomes a question of weather or not we are supposed to be eating that food. Again, its because its not our food.
Your talking about our lifestyle, I'm talking about evolutionary changes.
no it has to be a specific type of plant and specific type of fish, I don't remember what types, just that I have seen them.
ry that with a goldfish. I promise you the goldfish and the plant will both die.
Of course its going to say what you want it to, its written by evolutionists.
So, you won't even pay attention to it. You don't have to agree with it for Christ's sake! You just have to read the damn thing and understand evolution! There are more links on the side of the one I provided that help explain the way scientists currently understand evolution. Read them or I'll say very nasty things to you in the future
Not necessarly. It is possible that we were just malnourished and trying to get our needs from other sources, as though we were barley getting by.
Not true. It is the demand that drove us to global food access, and the ability to make money off of that system. Humans have lived off the earth for at least 100,000 years, they did not always have global access to whatever food they want and survived just fine, hence you and me are here to talk about it. This is hard evidence against your theory.
I know thats not what your talking about, but that is whats causing the problem. This isn't a quick fix problem its very in depth.
That has nothing to do with what I'm talking about
Well first of all I'm not sure that we can live perfectly fine with whats provided. One thing is for sure, do to this set back its not easy.
That's BS, because most mammals on earth eat the same stuff. Why bring humans to earth with a specialized food supply, when they can live perfectly fine off the earth? It makes no sense at all.
What do you mean who cares, what are you going to do? Starve?
Who cares? You could probably argue that for any animal that has bones.
Well thats because your assuing that I believe that god made us, which it's allready been proven that he hasn't. Had you of read the link on mtDNA or mitocondrial eve, you would see that we have a common ancestor from 200,000 years which is a conflict with god creating us just 10,000 years ago.
So you admit that your argument about target food is bunk. That's good. Now it's back to appealing to magic and claiming the food was all put here as well.
There is no guesswork and I still stand undisputed in this. We are not from here, unless you beleive that we are suppose to spend all of our lives just getting by and not growing.
Keep piling those assumptions on. The earth is perfectly suited for us and you keep ignoring it, and every time you get proven wrong you resort to complete guesswork.
I don't know about all, and I haven't given much time into seeing what else was brought here. I think it's important to keep open as the bible does state that it happened.
You need to have a little consistency with your theory. Either the earth was created and all life along with it, or the earth was already here with life on it when humans were allegedly brought here. I thought the latter was what you believed, but it seems like you're now saying that all life, or at least all mammals were brought here?
and its usually a poor one because of the lack of the needed options. The food we need is simply not here.
You've never seen an overweight person before? I'm not confusing anything. Everything I said can be backed up by facts. Diet is a choice these days.
As long as you stop confusing availability with choices.
I'm not implying that at all. I'm implying we have a large selection of foods we can eat to be healthy, but don't need a huge variety. That is outright false. Stop confusion capitalism with dietary needs.
So that tells us we have been out of our diet for at least that long.
I hate to break it to you but humans have been cooking food going back at least 2 million years to our ancestors,
Now imagine that, eating food that we need, is risky, ever wonder why that is?
We don't have to cook all foods, but we are smart enough to know that its risky to eat raw chicken or pork.
Do other species on this planet face the same risk? No they don't.
Sure, you could probably get away with doing it, and will probably survive, but it's a risk. Cooking our food is part of the reason our population is so high. Again is shows that our intelligence is the main reason behind our success as a species.
By who?
No I'm not. Stop putting words in my mouth and twisting what I'm saying. I'm talking about precisely evolutionary changes. Have you not read this entire thread? You need to let this argument go, because you are clearly wrong and is has been demonstrated numerous times
Sure but adaptation is the bi-product of evolution failing.
But they are adapting right?
Sure but adaptation is the bi-product of evolution failing.
Well first of all I'm not sure that we can live perfectly fine with whats provided. One thing is for sure, do to this set back its not easy.
and its usually a poor one because of the lack of the needed options. The food we need is simply not here.
Had you of read the link on mtDNA or mitocondrial eve, you would see that we have a common ancestor from 200,000 years which is a conflict with god creating us just 10,000 years ago.
Do other species on this planet face the same risk? No they don't.
Open your eyes, open your mind, are you not realizing that this is a wake up call, and your ignoring it. Why do we have dieticians, trainers, weight control programs?
There would not have ever of been a reason to create bad food had we of had the food we needed to begin with.
Do you have control over the sunlight?
There are isolated examples of such where you can buy a sealed fish tank that has one fish and one plant combined in water. All you have to do is supply the sunlight for the plant to grow. In a balanced system the fish eats the plant, and his waste feeds the plant, along with the sunlight. Quite blowing smoke man.
So now you are debunking your own links evidence. Really how stupid are you?
None of which disproves a balance.
Here you go again. Change the criteria when your question fails.
Originally posted by itsthetooth
reply to post by HappyBunny
no it has to be a specific type of plant and specific type of fish, I don't remember what types, just that I have seen them.
ry that with a goldfish. I promise you the goldfish and the plant will both die.
You have no education yourself yet you believe your mission is to educate
So where do we go from here. I think educating people is important. That's perhaps what I'm trying to do here. Some people are down right incredulous but I still try.
Originally posted by Prezbo369
Far too much time and attention has been given to this person, and IMO its time to move on and ignore him.
Is this the best the evolution deniers have got to offer? 60% of the country make this claim, and the very they have to offer (on ATS at least) is someone claiming we are all actually aliens and this then disproves evolution?
really?
REALLY?
Are you for real? You don't think you can just take any fish with any plant and make them into an eco tank do you?
Here you go again. Change the criteria when your question fails.
You wrote tank, fish and plant. Someone points out in reality the fish dies and now you claim a certain typ of fish and a certain type of plant but cant remember what they are. When that is challenged you will claim a certain type of tank and when that in turn is challenged you will claim you are right everyone else is wrong and try to wiggle away.
You are just a very dishonest person.
Here from a post by you
I don't think my mission is failing, after all you are pretty much able to quote me on understanding. I think if there is any failing it might be on your end.
You have no education yourself yet you believe your mission is to educate
Carry on Pete.
Do you see yourself as a modern day John the Baptise? You really are deluded to the nth degree. Larry the Baptise. It has a ring to it
I see you skipped my first post. Not going to comment on that one then. Why am I not surprised.
Are you for real? You don't think you can just take any fish with any plant and make them into an eco tank do you?
Originally posted by itsthetooth
reply to post by andersensrm
Sure but adaptation is the bi-product of evolution failing.
But they are adapting right?
You dont even deny you see spreading your nonsense as a mission. I understand the idiocy you preach because you repeat the same rubbish page after page. That is how I know it is utter garbage.
I don't think my mission is failing, after all you are pretty much able to quote me on understanding. I think if there is any failing it might be on your end.
Depends on the context. I think we can block it at times, but there is no way to aquire it unaturaly other than lights.
Do you have control over the sunlight?
Wow, and I thought I overavnalize. Nope, they have it down to a science and it works. Here are some you can buy right now...
Do you have control over the sunlight?
The winter sun will put less energy into the tank so the plant will grow less meaning there is not enough food to feed the fish. (your eco system is already out of balance). The fish will crap less meaning there is less fertiliser for the plant. Both will weaken and this means even less food for the fish. The fish dies. So much for balance.
I think less sun hitting the water causes a reaction as well, as in shade from the plant.
The summer sun. This puts more energy into the tank. The plant grows vigerously. The fish has loads of food. craps alot. The plant grows even faster taking up all the room in the tank eventually choking the tank so much the fish dies. Where is your balance? This is why people with fish tanks have to clean them.
I didn't offer this to explain how the world works, even though it's exaclty how it works, its on a very small scale.
We dont even have the ability for the fish to breed or the plant to breed and if you did your balance in the tank would shift even more wildly. No predation, no competition. Your balanced eco system is not only found no where it is not balanced at all, never was.
Those are not factors because of this type of balance. I do however see your point and again its all just on a grander scale.
You have not thought about algea that grows in water due to sunlight. The water quality due to fish crap, decaying plant and decaying algea. Bacteria.The tempreature of the room the tank is in. I guess if I thought long enough I could factor in even more variables to your fish tank, fish and plant.
Well then I guess this is yet another one you need to contact and let them know that this product they are selling will never work.
As I said no such thing as a balanced eco system. The energy in and the energy out is never a constant. The life within it is never a constant and so balance in never reached. Adjustments need to be continually made.
If you had read the link you provided you would/should know this. READ IT.
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