It's fairly obvious why people don't work.

1. I decided a long time ago that I hate jobs, but more so than my hatred of jobs is my hatred of taxes going to psychopaths who will use it to bomb third world countries. But I still need to pay taxes, so much for a "free" America, so what do you do? Resist and go to jail? Or just not work? Not working is still technically legal. And while I personally don't receive welfare, it's not too hard to get so poor you can be eligible.

2. What's the point of protesting? The government won't listen. The people (liberals) even more so won't listen when we tell them Taxed Enough Already, they just turn it into some type of racist conspiracy. If you hold up a sign saying "I'm not going to pay taxes" you'll probably be hauled away by swat team and a group of frat boys drinking beer and watching the game across the street will cheer the cops on (I know I was a frat boy). So the only real solution people can do, is to take as much money as possible from the government through welfare and other type of socialist monstrosities. And since the people are not doing anything to resist their government, it's considered an acceptable collateral damage to take money from them.

I'm not here saying I like to be a parasite, as I think the government is a parasite by definition, but this is the only way to make some change, to at least wake people up to what is happening right now. People are on welfare because there's no point working to pay taxes when you can get money for free just for being poor, and it's not hard to be poor!

So I'm sorry for the state of the world, and I am not advocating welfare, I don't use it myself, but just trying to give an explanation and not a justification as to why about half of the country lives off the other half. It's not because we are inherently moochers, it's because we inherently see the flaw in the system (at least half of us do) and by taking your money legally through the government is the only way to wake you up and realize that welfare and taxation are wrong in all its forms.

That is one way to protest and withhold taxes.

The other way is becoming rich and avoid taxes

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Frankly I don't care why folks use it. The problem is obviously folks like yourself who want to use it and steal from the productive because they don't want to work. That level of childish thought is no different than a 5 year old who does not want to brush their teeth.

Fine, don't work and as a consequences don't pay taxes. You should not collect a dime from the government and if that means that you are living on the street and rooting around dumpsters and eating half eaten, three day old Whoppers out of the garbage, you've made a purposeful choice and I could care less. Don't want you in the hospital I'm paying for either when you get sick. Get sick on the street and stay on the street.

The working man is a sucker?

Maybe in comparrison to those who try to justify their mooching for a free paycheck.
"I dont work cause Im smarter than they are"?

This is the reason right here, why America is in the toilet.

The policies are the fault of the PEOPLE who let the GOVT get so much control over their lives.

Back in the day, if you didnt work, you were looked down upon by society for contributing nothing.
Sorry to say, but its still looked down upon.

You shouldnt be forced to work, but also, you shouldnt be allowed any benefits for contributing nothing.
Too many people living off the back of other people who dont have enough money to live off of in the first place.
Its sad, and quite pathetic.
Those who are able to work and dont, shouldnt get a dime.

If this is peoples way of "sticking it to the man", then they are doing more harm than good.

As I said, I don't collect welfare. And I'll just simplify my thought by saying what other way is there to make people wake up? What other way is there?

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I just think you're here to try to make people on welfare look bad and rile folks up. Sorry. Not buying your story. I know quite a few people on welfare, and all of them work.

What a lot of folks don't know is that if you're working and then quit your job, you get in some major trouble. She was working, only getting 1 night a week, so she quit to fully devote herself to look for other work. By the time you counted it gas and childcare, it was actually costing her money to work. She had to go through all kinds of stuff so she wouldn't get evicted and lose her kids.

I find it hilarious that people get all over you concerning you "taking from the productive people" when thats all the super rich have EVER done throughout the history of the world.

Why do people not see CEO's taking all the profits WE, the poor, make for them as stealing? Why is it ok to take from the productive people if you wear a suit but not if you're wearing tattered scraps of clothing and living off people's garbage?

Its hypocritical to say "its ok for capitalists to take all of the profits WE make for them" while at the same time chastise those who live off people's charity and are STILL too poor eat a decent meal.

Hypocrites...all you anti welfare capitalist snobs. Theres no McDonalds in the ghetto. Theres no coffee shop. Theres no Home Depot. Theres no office buildings in the ghetto. Get real and realize welfare keeps people alive. Its social life support for people who have been left to the fringes of the broken, corrupt economic system.

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we cant make them do anything. they have to do it.

we can point the way, and we can show them the light,

but in the end...

they will always do whats easiest to them, nothing.

Maybe, if we keep calling them out on their BS, maybe people will start to catch on.

Other than that, I think the moochers will mooch, and the country will die in the process.

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Can you please tell me how rich I need to be in order to avoid these taxes you speak of? Lemme guess........never mind.


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That's not why they don't work.

There are a number of factors.

1. The last few generations were the offspring of the wartime folk. After WW2 job opportunities were abundant and industry was in full force. The economy was robust. For several generations we enjoyed a plentiful job market, didn't need much education for it and the cost of living was so low any working fool could own a house, a car and have 3 or 5 kids.
This has changed for a.couple reasons. We aren't post war anymore production is low. There aren't any shortages in the workforce like there used to be, life expectancy is up and the biggest generation ever still dominates the workforce, cost of living is high. I could go on forever. Bottom line is we went from a strong economy to a weak one. In the end those who didn't have education or much experience got left behind. The biggest problem with this though is the younger generations can't get their start and the older generation ( living linger and healthier now) can still work for at least another 10- 20 years. Most high paying industry jobs are occupied. Many are out of work.

2. Negligent parents. Let's get one thing strait first. There are many good parents out there but they simply aren't spending the time with their kids like they used to. Since the 80s and the advent of the working families we have experiences changes in the family.structure. none of them are good. Parents work all day and the kid is left to sitters, daycares, etc. While at home two working parents have so much backlog to do that sitting down with their kids becomes impossible. Also due to this working couple business we have created the lovely divorce culture.
You have very large numbers of people in the last few generations that weren't taught anything significant or any sort of life skills, many didn't have emotional support of their parents, many didn't learn how to use emotions and proper conduct in a family setting, many were used as pawns in custody battles , many have deep psychological issues from abandonment, neglect, or being used as a pawn.

3. The party culture. What more can be said its rammed down our throats daily. I challange you to go an entire day without being subjected to some form of media that tells you to party till you can't anymore. This is all young people want to do. This is all what the rich do. The media tells you everyone does, tv shows make it seem like everyone lives the high life, some commercials for alcohol even suggest that doing otherwise is shameful. This leads to lots of the problems I pointed out in number 2 with child neglect, mostly with younger parents. Lots of people never grow out of this or never get a handle on it and end up pudding their adult years away om just trying to have fun. I know many who don't work simply because it cuts into their lifestyle. Much of this behaviour is caused by number 2 or is the leading factor in creating cases of neglect.

The majority of reasons I see people who don't want to work is this

Lazyness, hopelessness, psychological issues, drug/alcohol problems, mental illness, the list can go on forever
bottom line is that these problems all stem from a few key issues.
Kids growing up not properly equipped or with deep unchecked issues
A job market that does not include everyone
A culture of temptations on a scale never before seen.

so why have we reached a point such as.this in history??? Its simple we have gone too many generations now without another major war, industry boom, or population expansion across a new frontier. These have been the driving factors that have kept humanity out of these ruts throughout history. We have never actually had to findbways of dealing with these issues before because one of the other three things would eventually happen eliminating the need to deal with them.

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That's a nice post... well written. But I do think it is a little naive to take what is almost by definition, a part of the human condition that has been with us (as a species) since the beginning and tag it with a contemporary classification.

Beyond that, there are so many of us who tend to lump large numbers of people together based on the least of their qualities. For instance, if someone is collecting Social Security, they are either lazy or milking the system or even rebelling against the same. There are very few who try and look at this as a case where each individual has their own story and is worthy of something more than generalized stereotyping.

I guess some it come from the fact that we have allowed these subjects to become politicized. We follow a cause or a party or a person and if they say that is is bad or this is good, we immediately lock in step and take up our position in the ranks.

Our society... our collective human culture is made up of... what? Something like 7 BILLION people? And each one of those 7 billion are individuals, as unique as their fingerprints.

It's just an opinion but... I think we understand the task on a subconscious level and know what it means to recognize 7 billion souls that don't identically match any of the other 6.999.999.999 billion. The result is that we beat a quick and safe retreat to a place where we can get a conceptual grip on it all. Unfortunately, we sometimes end up applying the political to the human and what we get is a lesser product.

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Also, what about the fact that most jobs are pathetic wastes of time, not worth the effort and creative energy. Many people could be contributing to society in much better ways if they werent chained to a paycheck at some crapass job somewhere.

And done even TRY to tell me that there are enough good jobs to go around. There aren't. I've been working for 12 years and worked dozens of jobs but have yet to find one thats steady, pays me enough, is stimulating enough to keep me interested and has a truly positive effect on society. These jobs do not exist anymore. Maybe they never did. Sure, I could become a writer, artist, musician or whatever but I'd rather not live in a cardboard box and fight bums and rats for sleeping space every night just to be creatively satisfied.

Most people dont work because, lets face it, work sucks and there are very few legitimate jobs.

J.O.B. = Just Over Broke

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Get off the "evil CEO" bandwagon. Its old, its tired, its class warfare and it is targeted at such a small segment of the population that the argument holds no water.

What about the plumber or truck driver who has a tough job, gets up every day and goes out in what ever weather is there, works OT when he can to support his family. He's the gent who is struggling to pay the mortgage and to provide for his family. He's the gent making society work and he's the gent who is getting ripped off. Money is fungible. Money wasted on the welfare state is money that could be spent putting more in his pocket to do with what he chooses - those choices having a high probability to be responsible since he has lived his live making responsible choices. He's also the guy that despite working is coaching kids after work and being generally an asset to the community he lives in. He's the guy being ripped off by the lazy slobs on welfare. Are all folks on welfare lazy slobs? No, but the OP is specifically speaking about lazy slobs who choose not to work. Who have a college education and choose to rip off society.

Should that money be spent by the government, it could be spent to improve his schools, the parks and librarys that his family uses, the infrastructure in his neighborhood.

That gent has far more in common with the CEO than the person on welfare who chooses not to work and that is the failed calculation of the left. The truck driver is working hard because he wants his kid to be a CEO in many cases, few of the folks who are working hard every day, out in the field or in an office are hoping that their kids go on welfare. If they did they would not be setting the example they are by being men and going to work every day, whether or not they want to.

If you want something innovative and interesting...start a business. That way you can be "the man" and make the money.

I work hard...pay my bills and my taxes...and I realize a certasin portion will go to taxes. So, I also have tried to improve my skills and education so i can get a better job.

Plus, I do run a small business as a farm...and I do sell "above the table and under the table"...firewood, pigs, goats, veggies, fruits, etc.... that makes me the extra money I need and want. My wife has done likewise...

We enjoy the fruits of our labors.... worked and played on my farm this morning, about to get ready to go to work in a minute. This weekend begins another vacation and if Hurricane Irene doesn't blow away the InnerBanks of Nc, we will be down there crabbing next week...probably after a cleanup/work day to get things back in order.

My biggest observation to those that say work is useless...is that they just don't want to work.

If they really meant what they say, they would apply and settle some free homestead land...Yes, they started that program again in the NW USA...and they would settle and homestead. then we would see how interesting and stimulating they found cutting wood and growing food to actually survive on and learning barter skills. And hey, it woulod be free... literally for the taking.

But no...let's sit around....whine about taxes and working...eat Doritos and play on the internet.

Well, time to go to work and make some more money...yup, I pay taxes on it...but the majority goes to my family and me... Doritos anybody?

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Whats wrong with a little class warfare? The rich obviously arent the best people to run the country. If they were we wouldnt be up #s creek without a paddle right now. Right?

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Well far starters, class warfare always hurts the lower classes if that you are concerned about.

The rich are of many stripes, the vast majority of those currently being demonized are small business owners who did not inherit their money have created their wealth and in most cases employed others along the way.

Now you may think having folks who have failed to accomplish anything in their lives run the country, cool why not give Haiti a try, they tend to use that model.

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Why should people work? They can just get Govt money for Food, Shelter, Clothing, cell phones and internet.
Next on the list will be cars, Nike shoes, jewelery and vacations.
Yes, I do feel like the working man is a fool.
I work harder, only to have more money stolen from me to provide for others.
Just proves again that taxes are punitive in nature.

Originally posted by doctornamtab
Also, what about the fact that most jobs are pathetic wastes of time, not worth the effort and creative energy. Many people could be contributing to society in much better ways if they werent chained to a paycheck at some crapass job somewhere.

And done even TRY to tell me that there are enough good jobs to go around. There aren't. I've been working for 12 years and worked dozens of jobs but have yet to find one thats steady, pays me enough, is stimulating enough to keep me interested and has a truly positive effect on society. These jobs do not exist anymore. Maybe they never did. Sure, I could become a writer, artist, musician or whatever but I'd rather not live in a cardboard box and fight bums and rats for sleeping space every night just to be creatively satisfied.

Most people dont work because, lets face it, work sucks and there are very few legitimate jobs.

J.O.B. = Just Over Broke

Yep, not being able to find steady work, that pays what you want and keeps you interested is all the fault of the evil Corporations.

You really need to own up to your responsibilities and stop blaming everyone else for your flaws and inability to do.

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Very true. The situation I find myself in right now. I love my job, its important for society (telecom) but pays very little. It used to be a high paying industry that focused on quality but now is a low paying industry that focuses on the enslavement of the workforce. The company only uses negative reinforcement to drive results. You never get a pat on the back for working hard and meeting your efficiency quotas but dip below these quotas due to a bad week and the company is on your ass. They will check cell records and van gps data and use this against you for reprimands.
What kills me is that the idiots who work for us and don't give a crap aren't treated any different than the employees that excel at the job. The union always protects the knuckledragger idiots but does nothing to improve conditions. The company spends more money monitoring the workforce than it does trying to improve services. All in the name of efficiency and profit.

I can't find another job and im stuck where I am but let me tell you I don't just want to quit working just like that. Yeah it sucks but it could be worse. You will always make more money working than on welfare.

To someone already unemployed however I can see why an unrewarding job wouldn't be worth it or worth looking. Especially if one has education.

Oh and also the education system has let us down. They told us we needed it, bought it and then ended up paying for courses that were worth diddly squat. Even though they praised and pushed these courses saying that you will make tons of money.
There should be a watchdog in place for post secondary institutions.

Originally posted by filosophia
As I said, I don't collect welfare. And I'll just simplify my thought by saying what other way is there to make people wake up? What other way is there?

storm the capital of every state. subliminal message in there somewhere.