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It's fairly obvious why people don't work.

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posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 10:26 AM
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Of course you don't like work.... They call it work for a reason...If it was meant to be fun, we would be getting up every morning to go to play, instead...


Look, you have to work if you want to live....Being homeless is miserable....leaching off of others who have jobs.....that is what a loser would do...

and it is not obvious why some don't work because there are millions of reasons why someone does not work...They could be lazy...Maybe they lost their job due to the economy and are unable to find more work... Maybe they are handicapped so much that they cannot work...

A million reasons.....But if your reason is just that work is not fun.....well...It's people like you....that make people like us have to work even harder to survive....see...the money we spend in taxes to feed you and shelter you because you are homeless.....could have gone to feed my family....

I worked for it and I resent the few who just refuse to work because it is not fun.....




posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 10:39 AM
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Here is my two cents about worthless bums on welfare...

If you are physically or mentally unable to work....IF.....then I don't mind some money going your way for free...

If you are physically able to work, then guess what?? YOU FREAKING WORK!!! Nothing free from me or anyone else for that matter. If you are able to work and you choose otherwise, that is your decision....You deserve to be a bum living in the streets...

I wish we had the option of who the money goes to, if people interested like me want backround on people getting money for free...ie welfare.....Then that should be our option, to have drug screens, alchohol screens, etc...BEFORE the money is awarded to those "less fortunate".....Welfare has turned into a joke and is only getting worse!!



posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by dolphinfan
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Well far starters, class warfare always hurts the lower classes if that you are concerned about.

The rich are of many stripes, the vast majority of those currently being demonized are small business owners who did not inherit their money have created their wealth and in most cases employed others along the way.

Now you may think having folks who have failed to accomplish anything in their lives run the country, cool why not give Haiti a try, they tend to use that model.


Actually class warfare has done nothing but improve the lives of the revolutionaries...see French Revolution, this years Arab Revolutions, slave revolutions and a host of other ones. The rich are the parasites in this country. Every country. They always have been and always will be. In America, they funnel our tax money to their companies through their former employees in the government: government contracts, earmark spending, pet projects, etc. They are thieves and liars and all around miserable human beings.

And I applaud small business owners. Who's demonized them? The CEOs/Board of Directors of international corporations are the bile of the Earth, small puddles of wretched puke and diarrhea trapped in a human body.

The rich have had their chance to run the country. They have failed us all with their greed and lack of human empathy. Its time to give everyone a share of the profits we ALL make, not just a small group of bloated, morality bankrupt, sociopathic liars in $5,000 suits. Its called economic democracy. Look it up. Its the only way out that doesnt cause bloodshed.



posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 10:51 AM
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This is true but we also have to realize that a certain percentage of unemployment is healthy for capitalism. Meaning there will always be a percentage of unemployed people because capitalism couldnt survive without it.

Who's going to work when new jobs come along if not the unemployed? Who's going to lower wages year after year for the benefit of the rich and powerful if not the unemployed? Who's your boss going to point the finger to when he threatens your job? Who's going to be the deterrent keeping us in our tiny offices at our pathetic little computers if not the unemployed?

Now, since the unemployed do so much for the rich and powerful, it only makes sense to throw them a little bone (welfare) and then blame them for being poor. This keeps the rest of us working like dogs for less and less purchasing power every year. This allows the rich to devalue the dollar year after year. The unemployed are the leverage the rich use against us to keep us quiet when we talk about scary things like "class warfare"


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posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 10:54 AM
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I agree 100%. The system gives money to many that simply don't deserve it. There are problems to this however.

1. The unemployment stats don't use welfare recipients to drive their data. Real unemployment stats are more like 30%. Those who are able couldn't find employment simply because there aren't enough jobs to go around.

2. Taking away the benefits from these people would create a homeless epidemic and a crime wave so massive it would devastate the economy and create unrest the likes we have never seen.

I know its unfair. We need to tackle the root problems of this situation and fix social issues in people prior to adulthood. Once they become adults and non functioning members of society it is already too late for the good majority of them. I know people who are so messed up they will never function normally in society even if you gave then all the opportunity in the world.

We need to esentially create new industries, mostly at the expense of the corporate world, and then revamp the education system to be more realistic to the job market.

On education, more.money simply needs to go towards it. Redundant programs in the system from kindergarden to high school need to be removed and more programs need to be created with hands on learning that teach real life skills and also programs that teach individuals how to properly adapt to society, deal with financial matters etc. The current school system is mostly acedemic. Most industries in our current time require less academic and more hands on and life experience. Common sense is dissapearing, everyday know how such as bill paying and budgeting are being lost. All the math and english courses in the world wont find you a good job.



posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 10:57 AM
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I would have to assume your poverty puts you at a lack of privately owned roads and other such infrastructure. I am glad that you can continue to enjoy the benefits of those things while I pay for them for you because you just do not want to.



posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 11:00 AM
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I think putting in resume's and interviews should be taken into account also.....But I am talking about welfare, not unemployment compensation. If people are trying and can't get a job, I don't accept that as an excuse....There are tons of Wal Mart's and McDonalds all over the place that are constantly hiring!! To take free money from us working people is unacceptable to me!



posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 11:07 AM
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Originally posted by Chrisfishenstein



I wish we had the option of who the money goes to, if people interested like me want backround on people getting money for free...ie welfare.....Then that should be our option, to have drug screens, alchohol screens, etc...BEFORE the money is awarded to those "less fortunate".....Welfare has turned into a joke and is only getting worse!!


I like this idea! I don't want my taxes to go to oil companies in the form of subsudies when they are already making record profits. And I don't want my taxes going to pay for BS wars just so certain companies can profit from the lives and blood of our young people.

Welfare for the rich, see below..........

www.nytimes.com...

costofwar.com...

I don't mind my taxes going to help poor people!!
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posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 11:16 AM
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I know what you are saying but at the end of the day all the wal marts and mc dees in north america cannot employ everyone.

Where I live for example it takes 50 or so resumes to even get 1 call from a mc dees or something along the lines of. We have high welfare/unemployment/disability rates. Our unemployment rate is a little over 8% for a town of 165000. Our actual unemployment rate is about 40%. And the statistics are that 60% of wage earners in the city make below povery line wages. So in reality only maybe 20% of all people in this city can afford to live. Getting a job here is next to impossible. Nobody publicly posts jobs anymore because one cashier job at a sally world will have several hundred applicants in a day.

In short there are not enough jobs for everyone here even if they wanted it and there is no infrastructure or any progressiveness from city hall in order to create it. Our bylaws are backwards also and drive away business. We are too far from anywhere for people to realistically move to another city for work.

The crime here is super high, everyone is on drugs and most people are extemely violent. Our neighborhoods are crumbling and our city is essentially broke. Nothing can be done here. This is a govt issue however. The govt.needs to stop allowing outsourcing and companies should be forced to stratigically relocate jobs in order to distribute the wealth in large canadian communities where there is nothing.

Unlike the states we are spread apart between cities and there is no such thing as commuting for work or relocating. This makes it a little tougher but taking away the welfare here would be a disaster.



posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 11:25 AM
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You're advocating a move to communist society. Fine, thats your choice. Don't be foolish enough to suggest that moves to that model are bloodless. They are the bloodiest in human history. When ever there has been a move to a larger, more dominant state the results have been hororific as evidenced by Russia, Germany, Italy, China, Cambodia, Nicaragua and every other place where folks have come in to be "champions of the people". Should you somehow believe that the wealth can be spread around without the jackboot, you need to quit singing kumbaya and read a little history.

As far as who is demonizing the small business owner, it is the left and that includes the current government. By continuing to rail on and advocate about those making more than $250K pay their "fair" share, what they are knowingly doing is lump the gent who runs the roofing supply store in with Paris Hilton. A tax on the "rich" hits the small business owner disproportionatly as they typically claim business income as regular income.

The current left driven talking points coming out of the democrat party are hate filled and disengenuous and meant to mislead the public. Curious when Obama is making a stump speech or one of his goons are on the Sunday shows they create this cartoon of the "rich" who are zipping around on their Lear Jets, nibbling caviar on the way to their yacht off the coast of Monaco and then when they actually get down to the details of their confiscatory tax schemes, they are in reality proposing hammering the gent with a small landscaping business.

I would have a ton of respect for them were they at least honest. I'd find their policies repugnant, but would at least respect them.

The parody of the "rich" is absolutely no different than the parody of the "welfare queen" where they show some absolute low-life with 8 kids from 6 men all on the dole to advocate an eliminate of all social programs.

The level of dishonesty and ignorance in this debate is mind numbing. Dishonesty on the part of the politicians and their ideological supporters who are absolutely pushing a socialist agenda and the fools who believe what they say and that somehow raising Jeff Immelt or Jamie Dimon's taxes will solve our economic woes.



posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 11:36 AM
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I'm an entrepreneur, small business man and I don't mind paying my fair share of taxes to maintain the infrastructure. But it's the large corps. with their fancy tax lawyers, their hidden off shore accounts and their profits from sending American jobs overseas, their taxpayer provided subsidizes and political influence; that need to be investigated and made to pony up their fair share thru taxes. They game the system at the expense of small business and ordinary working stiff taxpayers. Revamp the system to level the playing field for the working man and small business people.


Your defense of these corporate thieves is despicable!. It's not "class warfare" its' called justice.


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posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 11:56 AM
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I'm not defending anyone, merely pointing out that the current political discourse is being made purposefully misleading by those who are pursuing a socialist agenda.

I don't believe that corporations should be allowed to patriate profits overseas, but also don't believe that they should be taxed at a confiscatory level were they to bring them home. All that does is push firms to use outside of the US all together. We already have the majority of firms listing on the London Exchange rather than the NYSE to escape odious regulations and high corporate tax rates.

I don't have a problem with CEO pay. I can choose to buy those products and purchase those stocks where the corporate governance does not over pay CEOs. Thats my choice. I can make it for moral or financial reasons, but I am certainly not going to begrudge a CEO who negotiates a $50M package. Thats his business and if the share holders want to tolerate it, fine. If he is delivering a growing stock price, I also have no problem buying the stock if I think its a good investment.

I don't believe in any subsidies what so ever, nor tax loopholes. They should not be "unwound" they should simply be eliminated.

As it relates to taxes the only model that can work is a tax system thats brief. A flat tax for both corporations and people with zero deductions and no loopholes. Anything else will be bastardized and loaded with unintended consequences. Move to a flat tax, which is by definition progressive and require a super majority of congress to change it.



posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 12:01 PM
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What we need badly is the creation of a new industry or a new frontier to explore. Human nature demands this. We excel an industrial or exploratory expansion. That or war. Historically we have only really moved forward as a society when we had a new landmass to explore, new resources to.exploit or new revolutionary industries to implement. We can see this with the discovery of the new world and leading up to the industrial revolution.

Now that we have explored the world and reached our industrial peak all that is left for us to do is make war to continue the status quo. Everything will remain stagnant until some society changing event occurs. We need to start harvesting minerals from space. Build space based infrastructures, invent new technologies in the energy and transportation sectors. At the same time pump money into the education system and revamp it to make it more true to modern day industry needs.

I love how we keep being told we live in a different world now that is always changing and that we are basically in uncharted waters with our societies and yet we continue to use our old systems and approaches to try and make it work.

Until we fix these issues it will be business as usual for the next few decades.



posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 12:09 PM
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i have to chime in on this.....your tax money doesn't go for this....your tax money is still trying to catch up from 87 years ago....your tax money is paying for your parents or grandparents mistakes.....tax will never catch up to the generation that is currently paying it....your great, great, great grand children will be paying for this tab.....so don't worry about these issues ha ha ha, it's not affecting YOUR wallet.......



posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by Chrisfishenstein
There are tons of Wal Mart's and McDonalds all over the place that are constantly hiring!!


Have you looked into these jobs? I have a family member who currently works at McDs. Instead of offering a person 40 hours a week, they offer 10 people 4 hour shifts once a week. They got very excited when got up to 28 hours in a single week (by covering shifts, and working the odd ones people can't typically do). Yes, McDs helps the unemployment rate... by giving people jobs that are meaningless. People still want to work there, though. At least they get one hot meal for the day. Also, the reason they are constantly hiring is most people won't tolerate the BS that goes on. It is constant backfill, constant training, etc.

What we need are jobs people can make careers out of. Unfortunately, those are in extremely short supply now. Tons of companies laying people off, and the ones hiring aren't offering a living wage. That family member I referred to above collects from welfare - because she simply doesn't make enough to feed her family. So, she gets foodstamps, etc. to help out. Her husband can't work because an uninsured motorist decided to drink, drive, and ignore red lights. Even with the help, they still need extra money now and then which I help them out with. What do they use it for? Groceries mostly.

Telling someone to get a job at McDs or Wal-mart is a bit of a superficial gesture if you haven't studied what those jobs actually provide.



posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 12:34 PM
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Yeah you're right when you say that if there wasn't welfare there'd be crime instead. People think that theres jobs to be had in these run down, economically defeated cities.

There's no McDonalds in the ghetto! Theres no opportunity where these people live. Thats their fault? Or the fault of the people who took manufacturing jobs, telephone jobs and many technological jobs overseas? Or the fault of the leaders who allowed their corporate masters to destroy their own country?

What bugs me the most with moving jobs overseas is that these companies still rely mainly on American dollars and American consumers to bring them their record wealth and profits. All the while they bankrupted the American consumer by taking away all their jobs. How could these people not see this coming? The rich have failed us, again.



posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 12:43 PM
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Explanation:


So ... this is all about the money [which is cuurnetly 100% fake by the way
] which you think is yours but it doesn't even have your name on it!

Give to caesar what is caesar's!

Its all becuase the money is centralized and cartelized!

Decentralize and decartelize the money by finding a resource that everybody can mine [which value adds to that resource by pure fact of labour costs] at their their own discretion ... after which if someone is poor then thats purely because they are to lazy and won't mine the freely available resource for their own benefit!

This resource must be FUNGIBLE like gold and silver [but NOT diamonds... please take note of that if you are Ron Paul and Ben Bernanke OK! ] but freely available to everybody.

That resource is AIR and by compressing it manually [or with a mill] it value adds to that fungible resource which can then be used for the following work.

Storing energy and later used to drive an electric dynamo and generate electricity.

Refrigeration/Cooling.

To make solvents.

To make fertilizers.

To make explosives.

To make liquid Oxygen.

To make liquid Nitrogen.

To make liquid Argon.

There are even more things that can be made LITERALLY from out of thin air!

Personal Disclosure: How much is your life worth in $$$?
... You had better go pay that back to your parents immediately or your all still in freaking debt and should be wage slaves OK!

I LOLZ at anybody who doesn't want to pay tax!
If you want to be that independant the you need to FULLY opt out of all civilization and never use it again for any reasons at all!

Humanity is a HERD. Get used to it!



posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 12:48 PM
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non-resistent but non compliant= peacefull, effective protest.



posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 01:08 PM
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Lies and deception.

Seems to me allot of people work that produce nothing of value anyway, so what's the difference?

Oh yeah, they play the game and at least pretend they're doing something. In other words, a bunch of liars.

So, would you rather hang out with a liar with money or an honest man with none?

Most the products produced are worthless unneeded crap that you're lied to by marketeers just so some worthless people who are working at nothing can have a paycheck so they can buy crap they don't need in order to impress people.

I think I'll turn this worthless computer off and go breathe outside.


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posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 03:44 PM
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Work, defined as diligence and industry, in and of itself, can be a positive thing.

8-16 hour a day wage slavery, however, (especially when it is usually doing a mediocre and relatively pointless task) is not.

Saying that the conventional workforce is a bad thing, is not a justification for laziness. It's saying that there need to be different kinds of jobs, and that things like occupational safety are also worth having.



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