Communism, Socialism, and Marxism should be declared Treason:

Originally posted by daskakik

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
Unlike in socialism, no one holds a gun to your head and forces you to work for the evil capitalist. Don't want to work? Don't. Just don't ask me to support you.

Necessity forces you.

They know this that is why they create artificial scarcity.

edit on 20-8-2011 by daskakik because: (no reason given)

No it doesn't. Develop a useful skill or find an in demand product and go work for yourself. Don't blame others for your unwillingness to get up off the couch and do things for yourself.

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You still have to work within the system. They can still control the market which can break mom and pop operations. Or influence gov so that you have to go through a bunch of red tape to work for yourself.

And through all this you still have to eat and have a roof over your head.

1. Treason is a behavior, where as communism, socialism and marxism are political ideologies.

2. Treason is a govt official having sworn an oath to a constitution or leadership and knowingly engaging in behaviors to undermine, weaken or destroy that constitution or leadership.

3. Every member of the judicial, executive and legislative branches of the US govt. that engages in any behavior in an official capacity that is not specifically mentioned in the constitution is a degree of treason. Sedition is too objective and has been eliminated from the law of the land a very long time ago. Although the "appearance of inpropriety" and sedition are hand-in-hand in most instances.

4. To not actively submit bills to rescind unconstitutional laws currently on the books dating back to the foundation of the constitution is dereliction of duty, if not treason.

Originally posted by daskakik
reply to post by sonofliberty1776

 

You still have to work within the system. They can still control the market which can break mom and pop operations. Or influence gov so that you have to go through a bunch of red tape to work for yourself.

And through all this you still have to eat and have a roof over your head.

edit on 20-8-2011 by daskakik because: (no reason given)

Maybe you know, or maybe you don't but I am in the process of leaving my corporate job. At first I was going to start my own business. Starting a business is not as complicated or troublesome as you seem to believe. However, it does require you to get off of the couch.

In Australia we have a Fabian Socialist Government selling out its citizens to the Chinese Facist/communist/tyrannical maoist Government(sic).
Yes a mouthful , a bit like having Chinese food laced with MSG?

We are going to have Fracking of coal seams that will poison our environment for centuries, so the Chinese can have our Gas.
This is Treason......to poison your own people to profit by collaboration with a foreign nation.
Communism was a fairytale invented to enslave millions .
Holywood recently has revised history, and portrays Stalin sympathisers as victims.
They should have all been deported.

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I agree Socialism is legalized slavery and LOOTING

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I'm self employed but I realize that not everyone can do it, for different reasons.

It's like earning a million dollars. Sure everyone has a chance to make a million but not everyone can. There just isn't enough for everyone to make that amount of money even if they get off the couch and try their hardest.

Agricultural subsidy is an example of how the government controls things. They pay farmers not to grow to keep the price of products elevated. I wonder who that helps most in the end?

I see welfare as being the same thing. Pay workers not to work so production of goods is controlled to keep a certain price. That isn't communism, socialism or marxism. Anybody know what it could be?

Originally posted by daskakik
reply to post by sonofliberty1776

 

I'm self employed but I realize that not everyone can do it, for different reasons.

It's like earning a million dollars. Sure everyone has a chance to make a million but not everyone can. There just isn't enough for everyone to make that amount of money even if they get off the couch and try their hardest.

There are trillions and trillions of dollars in our economy, so I honestly do not buy that. If you provide a good quality product or service, you can make enough for a comfortable life. Maybe you won't make a million a year, but isn't 50 or 60k better than being on welfare?

Originally posted by daskakikI see welfare as being the same thing. Pay workers not to work so production of goods is controlled to keep a certain price. That isn't communism, socialism or marxism. Anybody know what it could be?

It isn't free-market capitalism, that is for sure. I see welfare as a bunch of lazy people living off of my life like parasites.

Originally posted by AmericanDaughter
I agree that Communism, Socialism, and Marxism should be declared Treason as well. They all go against what America stands for And her constitution.
None of these idelogolies would have been tolerated 40 years ago.

Are you sure you have read the constitution? Because this sure sounds socialist to me.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

And 40 years ago this country was very close to becoming socialist. Then that tool Reagan was voted into office and everything has gone downhill ever since.

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We are not a constitutional republic as defined by our original constitution, and if you read my posts you will see the reference to the "original" constitution. America is a corporation called Corp. US. Our presidents are, and have been for a while, the CEO's and our Senate is the acting Board of Directors of Corp US. U.S. citizens have been declared enemies of the corp.and bonded as collateral for the debts created by the corp.

I agree.

What you're proving though is that this form of government we are living under now is worse than any "socialist" government we can currently fathom.
The capitalist are then enemy of the state and at least in a socialist government your day-to-day needs would be taken care of. In America, if you are poor you aren't guaranteed anything except a slap on the back from your local "conservative" and told to pull up your bootstraps....if you can afford them.

As for the rest of your post, it sounds to me like your thread should have been called "corporatism should be considered treason". Socialism really has nothing to do with it.

not even close

Are you sure? Maybe I was a little closer than you think.

Do you know what the theory of the horse and sparrow is?

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US GDP is around 15 trillion and the working age population (15-64) is around 200 million. That's around 75K per capita. Now I will admit that there are some ventures which will add to the GDP but all things being the same everyone making above 75K is leaving less for the rest.

Damn right it isn't free market capitalism. That has never existed on any significant level.

The op has pointed out that Communism, Socialism and Marxism should be consider treason.

While as distasteful as these forms of government are, they are a point of political thought. We are a country of laws, and based on those laws are the very idea of freedom and choice. We have the right to choose what politicians we choose to elect and if we desire them to stay in office or remove them when we do not desire to have them in that position any more.

We can not punish a person for believing in something, nor should be. That would be reminiscent of the McCarthy era, where there were modern day witch hunts for those who were suspected of being communist, and those convicted or turned in, were ruined for about the rest of their lives. While the very ideas that the three political groups would espouse are distasteful to all of us, they have the very same rights as anyone in the US does, to not only state their political belief, but also to legally enter into office.

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776

Originally posted by Unvarnished
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If there is anything socialism promises, its the equality of every human being.

That is the problem. All people are created equal, but not all put out an equal amount of effort. If I work 6 days a week 50-70 hours a week to get the things I want, why should I be forced to donate part of my very life to support those who WILL NOT do the same? If I work all day, and you play video games all day, why should you benefit from my labor?

In this scenario, Mexican's that pick our crops should be the most desired by society. Afterall, they work harder then most people would ever imagine. Don't give me the line about how the guy who runs a corporation deserves millions of dollars in compensation, by using other people to make those profits. In the meantime, the people that work for this corporation barely can afford to live and are usually indebted to sustain a decent lifestyle. The problems we face are multi-pronged and multi-facet; the problems cannot be blamed on socialism alone. Many people are right about socialism. Socialism is an economic system, the same as Capitalism. These have been used both in the past and present for evil designs. Recognize this, and we can have a more appropriate discussion of the benefits of the two.

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The really sad part, is all this was a premeditated, deliberate action on the part of the global elite, to destroy America's middle class. A viable middle class was one of the main obstacles to the NWO. As long as we had the where-with-all to
be somewhat independent, we had the potential to lift the veil of smoking mirrors they have hidden behind, and the likely hood of exposing them for who they are. By destroying our economic independence, we become more and more dependent on gov.. Economic slavery destroys the opposition, and we are forced to become the very dependents they want us to be. But it ain't over yet. Don't give up.

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are you suggesting that "any" political ideology should be allowed to be represented in our governmental affairs???
Would you allow sharia law, for example, to superseded state or federal law?? Would you allow the KKK to influence government??? What if Kim Jong Il wanted a seat in the senate, or Hamas, or Al Quiada, or The Muslum Brotherhood???
What if another National Socialist Nazi Party, or LaRaza demanded equal representation??? Is there not a point when we say "we the people" will not tolerate an outside ideology be allowed to destroy our form of governance and unique American culture, or force their politics on us.
we have welcomed immigrants from all over the world, with the expectation that they assimilate into our culture and obey our laws, but we also expect them to leave their former politics back home!

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Addressed in another reply on this thread. Read on.

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I suspect that the founding fathers were probably considered Anarchist by King George.
No problem with a philosophy of anarchy. What is the old saying? Democracy is the worst form of government in the world, with the exception of all other forms of government. lol

Originally posted by sdcigarpig
The op has pointed out that Communism, Socialism and Marxism should be consider treason.

While as distasteful as these forms of government are, they are a point of political thought. We are a country of laws, and based on those laws are the very idea of freedom and choice. We have the right to choose what politicians we choose to elect and if we desire them to stay in office or remove them when we do not desire to have them in that position any more.

We can not punish a person for believing in something, nor should be. That would be reminiscent of the McCarthy era, where there were modern day witch hunts for those who were suspected of being communist, and those convicted or turned in, were ruined for about the rest of their lives. While the very ideas that the three political groups would espouse are distasteful to all of us, they have the very same rights as anyone in the US does, to not only state their political belief, but also to legally enter into office.

" A country of laws, based on the idea of freedom and choice" Absolutely; But when an ideology or political agenda openly attempts to subvert the very laws that grant those defined freedoms and choices, it is called treason. One can believe that John Doe is an s.o.b., but if he decides to beat the hell out of him, it becomes a crime. I believe G.W. committed treason when he made the statement " the constitution is only a god damn piece of paper".
Such is the mind set of the global elite.
By the way, Joe McCarthy was proven to be right when he exposed the communist influence in America. The supposition that he ruined "innocent" lives is revisionist history. The Senate Committee on un -American Activities only questioned 9 individuals. All admitted to being communists or either took the fifth amendment and refused to answer.
A thorough reading of history will reveal that around the turn of the century, there was a strong communist movement in America, with elected communist party officials in many positions in our government. After the soviets took over Russia, many of these party members actively worked as spies for the Soviets. The offices of the CFR were next door to the soviet embassy in New York, and the constant comings an goings of known communist party American government officials, is what eventually led to the investigations. It was a huge blow to the communists who were financially connected to some of Hollywood's wealthiest moguls. They cried foul and went on a disinformation campaign against McCarthy. Some people bought into the propaganda and with Hollywood's assistance, attempted the slander him. More
press coverage of disinformation about McCarthy eventually won out and he was toast, but the facts remain in the congressional record. Look it up.

I think that suggesting that a political ideology should be considered treasonous is treasonous. America stands for freedom (if you extremely over-simplify it, i guess). Taking away someone's right to identify with Marxism is more against America and the Constitution than Marxism.

If there is anything socialism promises, its the equality of every human being.

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
That is the problem. All people are created equal, but not all put out an equal amount of effort. If I work 6 days a week 50-70 hours a week to get the things I want, why should I be forced to donate part of my very life to support those who WILL NOT do the same? If I work all day, and you play video games all day, why should you benefit from my labor?

You missed the principle about what the original author actually said equality of every human being
(when people use the extremes in their argument labour vs unemployed, it shows they dont actually understand equality for every one)

Everyone having the SAME equal access to: education, health care, food, water, electricity, civil matters (lawyers), social services regardless of income status