Another waxed, A$$hole parade

I wonder what the threshold will be used to punish the treasonous persons?

Who will execute the hunt for evil? How large will the state have to grow, in order to find all of the
undesirables? Who will pay for that?

Are the conservatives who voted for Reagan, Bush, Dole, Bush, McPalin who also like their medicare
be put against the wall? Really, where's the sandbox?

I mean you guys grow dumber by the week, the propagation of stupidity here has created a historical dialogue
based upon propaganda. Where is the truth, any shred of it?

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
You do know that ideology opens up a big can of worms that would have unrealized consequenses?

America is part socialism.....

the police are a socialist program

the fire department is a socialist program

interstates and highways are a socialist program

almost all enviromental protection programs are socialist

You see the slippery slope you have created? Now we all have to be tried for treason by your standards!

Damn socialist commies!

You forgot

Miltary - Tax payer pays

Education

Politican/Congress/White House/Public Servants - Tax payer pays
Health Insurance for Public Servants, Politicans/Congress - Tax payer pays

Business/Corporate Companies including:

Recently: Banks, Insurance,

Agriculture: Food: Corn, Wheat. Peanuts, Honey, Dairy.. Non Food: Wool, Cotton,Tobacco,

Transportation: Sea - Domestic and International Ports, Rail - lines, ports, Roads, highways, bridges etc including vehicles: cars, trucks, buses, Air Commerical Airline Industry, including Domestic and International and Ports

Energy Companies:- Oil, Coal, Gas, Nuclear, Renewables: Solar, Wind, Ethanol, Bio diesel

All Public Buildings not excluding libraries and musems, government houses/buildings

ALL receive FUNDS from YOU, The TAXPAYER/THE PUBLIC in the form of SUBSIDISES/PAYMENT/OPERATION from The Government

You call it socialist programs lolol HARDLY

Socialism is EQUAL distribution of resources INCLUDING Public Services such as (but not limited to) healthcare, education, water, power, transportation, affordable housing (yes in some countries this DOES happen) etc

Originally posted by DeReK DaRkLy

The inherent problem is within our own human nature...

A completely capitalist society would eventually end up with an ultra rich 1% controlling class and an ultra poor 99%.

Likewise, a completely socialist society would create the same class system, but it would be governments instead of businesses manipulating the flow of money and resources.

Either way - the few control the many, and greed still wins.

Socialist Society (as you put it) is about Public Ownership, not Government Ownership and Control, but I get your point regarding how Government is the Gatekeeper with said Resources (which totally screws up what Socialist Society is meant to be IMO)

Both extremist capitalism and extremist socialism is against human rights. So either allow both, or ban both.

I agree with above. Any extreme becomes destructive.

I can't help but laugh at the idea of supporting the rights of the individual by suppressing the rights of individual opinion and thought. One smart cookie there!


trea·son
   /ˈtrizən/ Show Spelled[tree-zuhn]
noun
1.the offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or kill its sovereign.
2.a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state.

So......if you have any ideologies that violate allegiance to our soveriegn or our state, then you should be condemned or repressed for that?

Yeah....uh......that is a REAL free society, where the individual has the freedom and right to.....do and think as the state says they should.....???????????

Originally posted by nightstalker46
Considering that all three philosophies, as forms of governance, are contrary to the basic intent of personal freedoms, liberties and sovereignty of the individual, as established by the Constitution: Why do we allow anyone, who professes or proselytizes those belief's, to become involved in government at any level. And why should those who openly advocate the overthrow of those Constitutional principals, not be charged and prosecuted as traitors. What greater threat to liberty than that from within. This should be interesting

I'm guessing you're American?

2nd line.

/sigh.

Its truly amazing how many of you defend communism and socialism. Its an eye opener.

Created "equal" in what sense? Physical, mental, intellect? How? Notice how the constitution says "created" and not evolved?

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
Equal in the sense that we are all human beings. We all have the right to pursue our happiness. Notice it says "pursue" not "achieve". Are we all equal in the ways you listed? Of course not. Neither are we all equally motivated to work. If I do more work, I should receive more compensation, it should not be forcibly taken from me and given to you or anyone else who refuses to get off their a$$ and go to work.

Your argument is for your country (is ATS discussion for ONLY for the american way american way is only the right way?) It doesnt work like that in many other countries though

Interesting though with the US "pursue happiness" and how that happiness it seems is often defined, in many cases happiness = large amounts of capital/assets

So to use your own argue, ONE would have the right and able to pursue physical health, mental health and educate = intellect but its not really equally

The difference in the US all this is measured/placed regarding income levels whether one can pursue happiness accordingly

Income status should NOT determine accessibility or be of disadvantage to: ie pursue physical health, mental health and well being and access reasonable good education it should be EQUALLY provided for EVERYONE

Originally posted by Gannicus
Its truly amazing how many of you defend communism and socialism. Its an eye opener.

edit on 21-8-2011 by Gannicus because: (no reason given)

maybe because it works in countries outside the USA perhaps?

You know... older, wiser countries?