Communism, Socialism, and Marxism should be declared Treason:, page 1
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reply posted on 20-8-2011 @ 01:44 PM by goldentorch
Originally posted by nightstalker46
Considering that all three philosophies, as forms of governance, are contrary to the basic intent of personal freedoms, liberties and sovereignty of the individual, as established by the Constitution: Why do we allow anyone, who professes or proselytizes those belief's, to become involved in government at any level. And why should those who openly advocate the overthrow of those Constitutional principals, not be charged and prosecuted as traitors. What greater threat to liberty than that from within. This should be interesting


Why not add the Capitalists as well?

"For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." —David Rockefeller, from his own book, Memoirs.


How is that not also not only treason but self-confessed treason? It's something oft quoted on ATS but it does show a glaring assumption upon your part that treason or anti-freedom movements only exist within certain political ideologies.


reply posted on 20-8-2011 @ 01:57 PM by Unvarnished
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If there is anything socialism promises, its the equality of every human being.


reply posted on 20-8-2011 @ 02:00 PM by intrepid
Another example of a political bent that is castigated and not understood is "anarchy". Most think it means chaos. it doesn't. It takes into account personal responsibility to society:

Anarchists are those who advocate the absence of the state, arguing that inherent human nature would allow people to come together in agreement to form a functional society allowing for the participants to freely develop their own sense of morality, ethics or principled behaviour. The rise of anarchism as a philosophical movement occurred in the mid 19th century, with its idea of freedom as being based upon political and economic self-rule. This occurred alongside the rise of the nation-state and large-scale industrial state capitalism or state-sponsored corporatism, and the political corruption that came with their successes.

*snip*

The word "anarchy" is often used by non-anarchists as a pejorative term, intended to connote a lack of control and a negatively chaotic environment. However, anarchists still argue that anarchy does not imply nihilism, anomie, or the total absence of rules, but rather an anti-statist society that is based on the spontaneous order of free individuals in autonomous communities.


en.wikipedia.org...

Related and I found this interesting. Same source:

Immanuel Kant's societal categories

The German philosopher Immanuel Kant defined "Anarchy" in his article about anthropology in the chapter "Freiheit und Gesetz" (korpora.zim.uni-duisburg-essen.de...) as follows:

A Law And Freedom without Violence (Anarchy)
B Law And Violence without Freedom (Despotism)
C Violence without Freedom And Law (Barbarism)
D Violence with Freedom And Law (Republic)



reply posted on 20-8-2011 @ 02:02 PM by sonofliberty1776
Originally posted by Unvarnished
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post by nightstalker46



If there is anything socialism promises, its the equality of every human being.
That is the problem. All people are created equal, but not all put out an equal amount of effort. If I work 6 days a week 50-70 hours a week to get the things I want, why should I be forced to donate part of my very life to support those who WILL NOT do the same? If I work all day, and you play video games all day, why should you benefit from my labor?


reply posted on 20-8-2011 @ 03:15 PM by nightstalker46
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What you are alluding to is the effect of unbridled corporatism which has morphed into global monopolies. David Rockefeller along with Carter and Bresinzki, founders of the Trilateral Commission, which was the brain trust of the current round of global governance or NWO, have been part of the global elite's plan to dominate the globe economically.
By their own admission, the plan of restructuring the worlds economy, thru global trade agreements like NAFTA, GATT, APEC etc., was only the beginning of a process.

At the 1991 meeting of the TL Commission, the lead speaker, who was the president of the largest bank in Japan, addressed the meeting by stating: "gentlemen, what you have to understand is that global trade agreements have little if anything to do with trade, and everything to do with restructuring the global politic".

After the meeting, a reporter asked Rockefeller " Your organization (TLC) has advocated global governance since it's inception. What do you have to do to make it happen?" Rockefeller's answer; " everything we need is already in place, all we need is one good crisis."
The reporter, then turned to Bresinzki and asked, " What you are advocating is a global socialist order; What makes you think America will ever accept Socialism?"

Bresinki's answer: "America will never accept Socialism until the middle class is standing in the breadlines".

The combined actions of TLC, CFR, World Bank, IMF, and WTO, under the guise of promoting "free trade" have led to the destruction of anti-trust laws, consumer protection laws, child labor laws, and anything else that stood in the way of the creation of global monopoles .

There is no free trade or competitive capitalism under a system of monopolies. It could more correctly be described as a monopolistic oligarchy.

And yes, David Rockefeller, who, by the way, was once a card carrying communist, should have been tried for treason as well as Carter a global socialist, and Bresinki, noted Marxist economist.

The point being, is that capitalism or socialism as an (economic) model is not the issue. The (governing) principals of the thread as it relates to the US constitution and it's underlying principals of the rights of the individual, is diametrically opposed by the principals of communism, which place the rights and authority of the state above the individual. Basically, it is an ant colony approach, where the individual is expendable for the sake of the colony.

I stand by my statement; Communism, Socialism, and Marxism are treasonous.
Do we have abuses of our system, yes. But the solutions can be addressed thru our constitutional system. You don't throw out the baby out with the bath water.


reply posted on 20-8-2011 @ 04:11 PM by nightstalker46
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I couldn't agree more. The safeguards for a truly free society, installed in the original constitution, have been incrementallydiluted and destroyed, by the delusional utopian concept, perpetrated by the communist, socialist element in our society.
They have infiltrated our educational system, (as evidenced by some of these replies) and our government, as evidenced by the rise of the welfare state. The delegation of unconstitutional powers to the Federal gov. and the notion that gov. can solve all our problems, as espoused by big government socialist, has led to the rise of a police state. None of these could have occurred, if we as a nation, had not capitulated to the socialist element, and stood firm with the original principals.

And yes, there were those "capitalist" who found a way to exploit every socialist legislative agenda, and raked in billions.
It truly is a double edged sword. Socialism inadvertently, has played into the hands, of the greedy. It always will. That's what they don't understand.

I say go back to the original constitution. Quit messing with it.
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