Originally posted by daskakik

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
Unlike in socialism, no one holds a gun to your head and forces you to work for the evil capitalist. Don't want to work? Don't. Just don't ask me to support you.

Necessity forces you.

They know this that is why they create artificial scarcity.

edit on 20-8-2011 by daskakik because: (no reason given)

No it doesn't. Develop a useful skill or find an in demand product and go work for yourself. Don't blame others for your unwillingness to get up off the couch and do things for yourself.

1. Treason is a behavior, where as communism, socialism and marxism are political ideologies.

2. Treason is a govt official having sworn an oath to a constitution or leadership and knowingly engaging in behaviors to undermine, weaken or destroy that constitution or leadership.

3. Every member of the judicial, executive and legislative branches of the US govt. that engages in any behavior in an official capacity that is not specifically mentioned in the constitution is a degree of treason. Sedition is too objective and has been eliminated from the law of the land a very long time ago. Although the "appearance of inpropriety" and sedition are hand-in-hand in most instances.

4. To not actively submit bills to rescind unconstitutional laws currently on the books dating back to the foundation of the constitution is dereliction of duty, if not treason.

In Australia we have a Fabian Socialist Government selling out its citizens to the Chinese Facist/communist/tyrannical maoist Government(sic).
Yes a mouthful , a bit like having Chinese food laced with MSG?

We are going to have Fracking of coal seams that will poison our environment for centuries, so the Chinese can have our Gas.
This is Treason......to poison your own people to profit by collaboration with a foreign nation.
Communism was a fairytale invented to enslave millions .
Holywood recently has revised history, and portrays Stalin sympathisers as victims.
They should have all been deported.

Originally posted by AmericanDaughter
I agree that Communism, Socialism, and Marxism should be declared Treason as well. They all go against what America stands for And her constitution.
None of these idelogolies would have been tolerated 40 years ago.

Are you sure you have read the constitution? Because this sure sounds socialist to me.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

And 40 years ago this country was very close to becoming socialist. Then that tool Reagan was voted into office and everything has gone downhill ever since.

The op has pointed out that Communism, Socialism and Marxism should be consider treason.

While as distasteful as these forms of government are, they are a point of political thought. We are a country of laws, and based on those laws are the very idea of freedom and choice. We have the right to choose what politicians we choose to elect and if we desire them to stay in office or remove them when we do not desire to have them in that position any more.

We can not punish a person for believing in something, nor should be. That would be reminiscent of the McCarthy era, where there were modern day witch hunts for those who were suspected of being communist, and those convicted or turned in, were ruined for about the rest of their lives. While the very ideas that the three political groups would espouse are distasteful to all of us, they have the very same rights as anyone in the US does, to not only state their political belief, but also to legally enter into office.

Originally posted by sdcigarpig
The op has pointed out that Communism, Socialism and Marxism should be consider treason.

While as distasteful as these forms of government are, they are a point of political thought. We are a country of laws, and based on those laws are the very idea of freedom and choice. We have the right to choose what politicians we choose to elect and if we desire them to stay in office or remove them when we do not desire to have them in that position any more.

We can not punish a person for believing in something, nor should be. That would be reminiscent of the McCarthy era, where there were modern day witch hunts for those who were suspected of being communist, and those convicted or turned in, were ruined for about the rest of their lives. While the very ideas that the three political groups would espouse are distasteful to all of us, they have the very same rights as anyone in the US does, to not only state their political belief, but also to legally enter into office.

" A country of laws, based on the idea of freedom and choice" Absolutely; But when an ideology or political agenda openly attempts to subvert the very laws that grant those defined freedoms and choices, it is called treason. One can believe that John Doe is an s.o.b., but if he decides to beat the hell out of him, it becomes a crime. I believe G.W. committed treason when he made the statement " the constitution is only a god damn piece of paper".
Such is the mind set of the global elite.
By the way, Joe McCarthy was proven to be right when he exposed the communist influence in America. The supposition that he ruined "innocent" lives is revisionist history. The Senate Committee on un -American Activities only questioned 9 individuals. All admitted to being communists or either took the fifth amendment and refused to answer.
A thorough reading of history will reveal that around the turn of the century, there was a strong communist movement in America, with elected communist party officials in many positions in our government. After the soviets took over Russia, many of these party members actively worked as spies for the Soviets. The offices of the CFR were next door to the soviet embassy in New York, and the constant comings an goings of known communist party American government officials, is what eventually led to the investigations. It was a huge blow to the communists who were financially connected to some of Hollywood's wealthiest moguls. They cried foul and went on a disinformation campaign against McCarthy. Some people bought into the propaganda and with Hollywood's assistance, attempted the slander him. More
press coverage of disinformation about McCarthy eventually won out and he was toast, but the facts remain in the congressional record. Look it up.

I think that suggesting that a political ideology should be considered treasonous is treasonous. America stands for freedom (if you extremely over-simplify it, i guess). Taking away someone's right to identify with Marxism is more against America and the Constitution than Marxism.

If there is anything socialism promises, its the equality of every human being.

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
That is the problem. All people are created equal, but not all put out an equal amount of effort. If I work 6 days a week 50-70 hours a week to get the things I want, why should I be forced to donate part of my very life to support those who WILL NOT do the same? If I work all day, and you play video games all day, why should you benefit from my labor?

You missed the principle about what the original author actually said equality of every human being
(when people use the extremes in their argument labour vs unemployed, it shows they dont actually understand equality for every one)

Everyone having the SAME equal access to: education, health care, food, water, electricity, civil matters (lawyers), social services regardless of income status