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Originally posted by wcitizen
Originally posted by JennaDarling
you're all worried about money, a ficticious item made up by banks.
Who is the programmed drone now?
Money money money. it only has value if you give it value.
Let the entire monitary system collapse, seriously.
What you goan do, cry because you have no currency? We DONT NEED it, THEY DO, WE DONT.
They use it to control you, but we can get by without it, just stop being greedy and wanting to have something somebody else hasnt or to be bigger better than everybody else.
The problem isnt the money system it is HUMANITY.
What is so bad with living in a world of equals? Ever Watch Star Trek? Thats a clue.
edit on 18-8-2011 by JennaDarling because: (no reason given)
What do you buy your food with, grains of sand?
How do you keep a roof over your head? With bottles of sea water?
The system is such that people now are dependent on money for their basic needs. The plan is now to remove that money from them and make them totally dependent on the government for survival. They you'll really see them put the boot in.
Originally posted by wcitizen
They aren't (yet) saddled with having to pay billions to the EU each year. They aren't controlled by EU stinking controllers. If they join the EU you'll see, they'll go down hill like all the other countries. That's what EU is for - reducing the nations to serfdom.edit on 18-8-2011 by wcitizen because: (no reason given)
I agree, and in fact it's just as important to get ourselves out of the 'specially satanic relationship' with US.
While the UK and other Member States are struggling, in their battle with the European Parliament, to restrict the increase in the 2011 EU Budget to 2.91 percent, which represents a 3.5 billion euro increase from the 2010 budget -amounting 123 billion euros, the European Court of Auditors for the 16th year in a row has not signed the EU accounts. On 9 November the European Court of Auditors published its report on the implementation of the 2009 EU Budget. The Court has issued an unqualified opinion on the reliability of the 2009 EU accounts. According to the Court “The accounts of the European Union give a fair presentation of the financial position and the results of operations and cash flows.” Nevertheless, “payments from the budget continue to be materially affected by error, except in two areas of expenditure - Economic and financial affairs and Administrative expenditure.” The Court gave unqualified opinions on revenue and on commitments and concluded that there was an improvement in the management of the budget. However, once again, the court has refused to sign off on how the money from the EU's 2009 budget had been spent. As regards the legality and regularity of the transactions underlying the accounts, the Court concluded that the level of irregularity is still too high.
Given that the accounts of the EU have not been signed off by the auditors for 15 years running, why do the Government keep giving more and more money to the EU? Surely if the Government are serious about reform of the EU budget, they should say that the EU will not get a penny more from the British Government until it gets its accounts properly audited.
Firstly, the European Union budget is complicated. Most of the money gets transferred from the European Commission to bodies in the Member States at national or regional level, and these bodies spend the cash. Tracing every last Euro down to every last farmer or training project is a very hard task. And don’t assume this is just something those evil ones across the Channel do – the UK experience is not good on this either. Secondly, no equivalent budgetary sign off exists in the UK, so it’s not as if the UK is perfect and Brussels is bad. Quoting the Select Committee on European Union Fiftieth Report on the matter: 149. Sir John Bourn, Comptroller and Auditor General at the UK’s National Audit Office told us that, were he required to issue a single Statement of Assurance on the UK Government’s accounts in the same way as the Court of Auditors does for Europe’s accounts, he, like the Court, would be unable to do so (Q 192). This is because last year he issued a qualified opinion on 13 of the 500 accounts of the British Government which he audits. In short, is the EU budget perfect? No. Is any national government any better? No, probably not, and at least the UK’s is not.
Originally posted by Freeborn
Personally I'd prefer we left the EU.
As has been touched on the referendum in 1975 was for continued membership of the EEC which was a free trade association.
Approximately 69% voted in favour.
Since then every single Prime Minister and the Monarch have been party to the gradual erostion of British sovereignty and it's illegal transfer to the EU.
The EEC has transformed from a free trade organisation into a dictatorial and inherently corrupt legislative body whose interests tend to be at odds with those of the British electorate.
Why should the UK pay to prop up a currency it doesn't belong to and get's no benefit from?
We in the UK should demand a referendum on continued membership of the EU.
If the majority vote for continued membership then we should stop sitting on the fence, adopt the Euro and take a more active and positive part in EU matters and strive to change it into the sort of organisation it should be.
Originally posted by thoughtsfull
reply to post by wcitizen
I agree, and in fact it's just as important to get ourselves out of the 'specially satanic relationship' with US.
The Commonwealth contains some of the worlds poorest nations and by helping them elevate their standard of living, and become good trading partners we help ourselves creating a need for our services (not the financial kind either), and we don't even have to steal their resources to do that.
Maybe we won't have the latest shiny toys on the battlefield, but then again would there be the need? and I would rather solid decent relations with countries based on mutual respect and friendship that last (like the one with Portugal) than ones where you think your in one of Shakespeares plays waiting for the stab in the back.
I know it is dizzy daisy to hope we can make that kind of change.. but at least there is some hope..
Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by JennaDarling
I am a white, heterosexual, working class male from North East England.....the only way the EU in it's current manifestation affects me is with it's draconian and repressive dictates, very little of what you mention remotely interests or impacts positively on my life at all.
Westminster is only marginally better.
There are no easy solutions to this country's problems, however, the EU is compounding the UK's problems.
Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by JennaDarling
You know nothing of the realities of life where I live yet that doesn't stop you moralising and insisting that you know what is best for me, my neighbours, local communities etc.
That is typical of the pro-European arrogance which has alienated so many British people.
Originally posted by Doublemint
reply to post by JennaDarling
redevelopment is the problem. you want the best newest thing when you have no money. You have made yourself look like a fool.
Originally posted by Doublemint
reply to post by JennaDarling
If there is no money how to do build? you get slaves. why should the people pay to rebuild government buildings if they are not needed? and if these are privite buildings then the owners should rebuild them their selves not the tax payer. trust me if the government wanted to rebuild their buildings they do they don't wait for the money.