Sarah Palin's Long Line of Pre-Marital Pregnancy Exposed: Conservative Values?

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Kitilani

 

Well, aren't you just so clever....

You are full of cutesy little statements all ready to bash people over the head. Do you sit around all day thinking up your cute little smart remarks? I keep hoping you will have something less trite to contribute.

I generally don't ask people their age on these forums, but I am wondering if you are borrowing your parents notebook.

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One entire post to say nothing but insult me and you question what I contribute.

reply to post by kro32


She is a bad joke thats keeps repeating

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Oh yes,don't you remember when the Progs said she oughta abort her Down Syndrome baby because Down Syndrome children do not have as much right to be on this earth as their illustrious and perfected selves?

No.

Although they actually hid their hatred of people less perfect than them by saying she was selfish to give the baby life when all they want to do is save it from a life of being Down Syndrome. Just like Margaret Sanger wanted to save poor black women from their babies, and wanted to save the poor black babies from a life of poverty.

Uh huh. Please do go on.

After all, Progs are still about eugenics after all these decades. Today's Progs who promote abortion to get rid of Down Syndrome babies sure sound like yesterdays supporters of eugenics. Here is Margaret Sanger on the subject.

The Review printed an excerpt of an address Sanger gave in 1926. In it she said:
It now remains for the U.S. government to set a sensible example to the world by offering a bonus or yearly pension to all obviously unfit parents who allow themselves to be sterilized by harmless and scientific means. In this way the moron and the diseased would have no posterity to inherit their unhappy condition. The number of the feeble-minded would decrease and a heavy burden would be lifted from the shoulders of the fit.13

Sounds like Death Panels to me

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I have no clue what you are talking about but I do want to thank you. You called me a progressive and I sure as hell never suggested her baby should not live so thanks for exposing just exactly how ignorant you are about the terms you toss at people.

No, I do not recall any such thing as you mentioned here. What else did Alex Jones tell you?

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Sounds like Death Panels to me

Death Panels WERE the rescission divisions and legal departments at PRIVATE insurance firms...
People, many good people have died to save companies money, that is the real death panel,
far more real than the speculative con job the TEA brain party concocted. I wonder if your gang has
any shame or grasp on reality.

Who better to lecture than somebody who has firsthand experience? Would you go to a lecture about time travel given by Einstein or Barack Obama? Today, Roe of Roe v. Wade campaigns against abortion and she is the one who fought for abortion.

This whole idea that you have to be a saint in order to support something is absurd. If that idea held any water, nobody would be permitted to talk about anything. Today, the biggest lecturers of the dangers of alcohol or drug abuse are recovered alcoholics and drug addicts. Get a life. Sarah Palin is obviously a threat to a great many people otherwise they wouldn't be constantly be trying to minimize her and discredit her. Personally, I don't care about her one way or the other. I certainly wouldn't vote for her in a primary, but I don't obsess with trying to demonize her and belittle her. Let it go; she's one person, and according to many, she's an idiot, uneducated and a host of other adjectives I can't repeat here so she shouldn't be a threat.

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I don't see issue with her lecturing on it when she can speak about it from first hand experiences and knows the consequences and downfalls of such choices. Now if she is lecturing like she holier than though and deceiving people then that's an issue.

Originally posted by Flint2011
reply to post by kro32

 

I don't see issue with her lecturing on it when she can speak about it from first hand experiences and knows the consequences and downfalls of such choices. Now if she is lecturing like she holier than though and deceiving people then that's an issue.

You really need to listen to one of her speeches then. This is such a simple concept I cannot believe how it confuses so many.

She preaches abstinence only because that is how she was raised and she FIRST HAND knows just how well it works.

Still not seeing the issue?

reply to post by Kitilani


I made it clear if she was deceiving people in her lectures then that is an issue. I get it it but then I don't listen to the woman or even like her. If that's how she feels and shares that as her stance then so be it. I am against drugs and yet I have done them before. It doesn't make me a hypocrite unless I deny it it though. Perhaps the real issue is that the people who listen to this woman are not asking tougher questions.

Originally posted by JennaDarling
So what, big deal.

That is one thing I hate about American politics, all campaigns boil down to , throw dirt on your oponent to win.

Seriously, GROW UP?

It speaks volumes about the American people and their mindset.

Is that a way to run a country? No platform to stand on so you just throw dirt?

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WTF sort of comment is that lol?!?!?!

Of course their is a point and a big "woop" too!

This is a women who paints herself as better than all of you and preaches how you should act.... when on most counts.. she has failed in herself to control her own sexual interaction with males and also her daughters.

That kinda is the point.

I could go on but meh.... whats the point!!! LMFAO

Originally posted by Kitilani

Originally posted by Flint2011
reply to post by kro32

 

I don't see issue with her lecturing on it when she can speak about it from first hand experiences and knows the consequences and downfalls of such choices. Now if she is lecturing like she holier than though and deceiving people then that's an issue.

You really need to listen to one of her speeches then. This is such a simple concept I cannot believe how it confuses so many.

She preaches abstinence only because that is how she was raised and she FIRST HAND knows just how well it works.

Still not seeing the issue?

Yeah exactly.. she comes off as a women who looks down on those who have children prior to marriage... however.. she has hidden her own fails.

Now... what would be nice is if she had come forward from the start and stated that she was a single mum or whatever at first.. went through some hard times.. and is NOW preaching about it.

Still tho.... epic fail.

Lying to her daughter = daughter fails

Lying to her country and getting elected = america fails

simple

Originally posted by tangonine

pretty sure that's not a "straw man" argument. Perhaps you should google "straw man." Saying that I've learned lessons and Sarah has too and feeling the need to share those lessons... you call that a "straw man" argument? FAIL.

This is too easy I almost feel bad about it.

A straw man is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.[1][2]

Strawman

What did you say again?

Originally posted by tangonine
So your argument is that she's been there and done that, and having done that, she makes the case that it's best to have children in a solid married family?

So you made up a position and an argument for me and then attacked that. What would you call it?

You're just looking for any reason to hate her. Admit it. C'mon... admit it... you hate her and you don't know why and you can't posit a single argument to found your angst. It must be hell to be you.

Actually I already said I do not hate her. I do not even know her. As far as how I feel about her as a politician, i have made that case quite clearly. Need more?

Originally posted by tangonine
and illegitimate kids aside, I'm voting for her if she runs. So is my wife, and 90% of our county.

We're just simple country folk. We know character when we see it. We know leaders when we see them. You can scream and cry all you like, but the fact remains: she has our vote.

Why do you suppose she has to flee her home state to find people like you?
How do you know how 90% of your county is going to vote?

Originally posted by Flint2011
reply to post by Kitilani

 

I made it clear if she was deceiving people in her lectures then that is an issue.

I made it clear that she is.

I get it it but then I don't listen to the woman or even like her.

I do. I have. Thanks for opining on something you have no knowledge of then though. That has been super productive so far.

If that's how she feels and shares that as her stance then so be it. I am against drugs and yet I have done them before. It doesn't make me a hypocrite unless I deny it it though. Perhaps the real issue is that the people who listen to this woman are not asking tougher questions.

And you go right back to twisting the point. It is like many of you are really trying very hard not to get it.

If you did drugs, messed up, and now talk about that then fine. That is not remotely what Bristol and Sarah are doing.
They believe in abstinence only teaching. They are still preaching abstinence only teaching. They swear that is the solution to unwed teen moms. How do you not get the problem with a girl who is holding her bastard child in her arms saying "Just do what I did, AA, and you will not get pregnant, just like I did."

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Yeah had their stories ever resembled one of hardship and mistakes and lessons learned then I might be able to respect it a little better. Unfortunately the story has always been "we know the best for you and we are going to teach you how to be better" Sarah wanted my tax dollars to fund the same crappy non-sex ed that she used at home to bear two surprise grandchildren with. If she believes it should be funded by my tax dollars then obviously she believes it is better than anything anyone else is doing now and yet she has two grandkids that prove otherwise.

But I think this is a theme. The Palin women want to teach our kids how to not have babies by using the same methods they used.
Marcus Bachmann wants to teach gay people how to be straight all while lisping his way across the dance floor.
Thank god these folks are around to teach the great unwashed masses.

Originally posted by matadoor

There isn't a single person on this planet who has not done SOMETHING wrong in their past.

I find this interesting that you think just because you've done some terrible things, other people must've too. In fact, I'm curious as to what you may think would constitute as something wrong. Truth be told, I never have but if you could give me a short list for me to answer truthfully we'll see. Maybe I'll actually learn something and go "oh wow, I really am not perfect" but truth be told, I'm above nearly everyone I interact with. I find it interesting that people think life is about making mistakes and learning from them...where does your mind have to be to think life is about screwing up?

I think its pointless for someone who's done terrible things to preach against them.

Palin and American poltics in the same paragraph is just plain scary. She is a good American, I can give her as much but I wish she would go back to college or sthu. We have enought blow hard right wing money grubbers as is.

I mean really, this current crop has actually convinced some that US educators (teachers) are bad people, lazy and leaches on a federaly funded education system. Fing socialists! Not sure how this stupidity caught on, but it has.

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who gives a #? if phony liberals are scared of phony conservatives, who gives a #?

Hilarious!

We had a scandal here in NZ when a government person was ranting about the same things - oops, turned out he was a child molester.

Beware of people preaching at you.

Anyone who preaches has something to hide.

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And? I'm sorry, am I supposed to be shocked or bothered? Frankly with the way this "do as i say not as I do" thing runs with these people, I'd be surprised if this is the biggest "secret" she has.

'Sides, the real story to it is that people who demonize women for getting pregnant outside of marriage are kind of dumb. It's weird to say this, really, but it's not a fault with Palin, it's a fault with the people she caters to.

Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by tangonine
Would you let sarah babysit your kids? I would
Would you let sarah watch the register in your business? I would
Would you hire sarah? I would

What you would get is - A pregnant daughter, empty cash register and an employee who quits mid project.

You'd ask Sarah..."you were babysitting my daughter!! How did she get pregnant! I was only gone an hour!"

Sarah's Answer "I love Jesus, but girls will be girls and her boyfriend dropped by, you betcha!!"

You'd then ask what happened to the money in the cash register...

Sarah's Answer " I only took money to reimburse the travel costs of me and my family to come and watch your register. I also needed to look nice while doing it so I had to buy a new dress as well...uh...and of course my family also needed to look nice while I watched your register and they needed a nice meal as well and their gas money needed to be reimbursed as well....and before you knew it, the register was empty...You Betcha!!!"

And then you'd ask why, oh why, after taking all the money out of the register did she quit mid-day before her shift was over!!

Sarah's Answer: "Well me and my family just got so much attention with our new clothes and all that I realized that I could get paid BIG BUCKS to smile and say things people want me to say....and after all...your cash register is empty. Later!"

Not rhetoric...Historical reality.

That's a LOT of anger, right there.