Death Toll Rises Dramatically In Norway Shooting

Originally posted by WatchRider

Originally posted by antar
reply to post by apex

 

This guy was plain and simply a murder, he was premeditated and not making any statement other than terror! This is the reason why ppl should NOT loose their gun rights! If the camp directors had been armed many lives would have been saved.

This is what I was thinking. The trouble is the Norwegian's have forgotten their pagan roots and warrior spirit. They've instead liberalised their ways and gone soft.
Nothing actually wrong with that until someone shows up and can't be taken down by the people present.

If the country had RTKBA this would be nowwhere near as bad!
Instead it's the same old terrible tale of helpless civilian's at the mercy of a gunman while the cops don't do a thing until it's too late!
How much longer is western civilisation in Europe going to take before it realises that people can't stop a spree-killer unless they are armed!

Bull...why?

Because you want to say that, eg in the states, there are NO crimes against "helpless, unarmed civilians"?

I also highly doubt he would have been able to kill 90 people within a crowded city, he would have been taken out the same way as in any other country. (Of course, a hidden bomb is another story).

And i also doubt that in the states in youth camps, political camps etc. there is always "armed guards"...that's absurd to assume. Just saying the same thing could've happened in the states.

Originally posted by TheCoffinman
reply to post by Stormdancer777

 

yes this was translated here a page ago, if true, this is enormous. the police quoted the killer as saying this is only the beginning.. is there a connection there? are more attacks to follow... because there are more attackers... or maybe were reading this wrong, maybe he was talkin to some black ops or some wild thing.

also interesting to note is how quickly the police and media assume he is a lone gunman/bomber yet there is plenty of reasoning to suggest otherwise, the complexity of the attacks, the training involved and now this headset revelation..

edit on 22-7-2011 by TheCoffinman because: (no reason given)

I heard that, hopefully he was just repeating a line his handlers fed him and it's a one-off (for now).
Worse case scenario is there's a whole bunch more of these types waiting to pounce.

My thoughts are that we could be being media played again.
keep a keen eye out for fakery.
Its (mis)use these days is systematic.

And nobody noticed this transaction?! I understand that Norway isn't used to being a terrorist target, but with the social climate as it is, it just seems unthinkable to me, that no one thought it unusual or out-of-the-ordinary for a lone individual to purchase 6 TONS of fertilizer!
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reply to post by TheCoffinman


How does a Christian killing people take away from the fact that Muslims murder people? All I see is an addition of murderers. Not a subtraction.

This doesn't take away my distrust of the poor forgotten immigrant from the middle east blowing himself up in Europe. It merely adds on yet another group: Deplorable Northern European right wingers.

This reeks of NWO relation.

Pro israeli, anti islami, pro gay and a freemason.
This is to try to stop the rise of the right wing, it won't work.

reply to post by mistermonculous


..."without adequate evidence"

As you can see, I never stated that we shouldn't discuss the possibility of an occult tie-in, but before throwing out vague accusations, I'd only like to see adequate proof of causal relationship? I highly respect our opportunity to discuss all sides of a situation here at ATS, but fear-mongering which could lead to harm of innocent individuals, is counter-productive and is the antithesis of our motto- Deny Ignorance.

In response to the people saying oh well this would have happened exactly the same way in the states....

Realize that 85% or more of the massacre shootings that occur in the states occur in places that are considered "gun free zones" by law or employer mandate. GUN FREE zones CAUSE rampage shootings!

look up the Utah law school attempted rampage shooting sometime (no fatalities not even the gunman!) Because it's legal to carry on campus in utah....

Or how about the attempted I think it was high school shooting also in utah also with NO FATALITES not even the gunman!!!! Once again a LEGALLY ARMED TEACHER talked down the would be shooter with NO CASUALTIES.

Contrast this with Virginia Tech where even the COPS were not allowed to carry their guns with them and had to go back to their office to get them AFTER THE SHOOTING STARTED.... Gee which one turned out better?

Or hey fun fact everyone knows we call this type of incident "going postal" because it started in post offices... If you look it up guess what was one of the first "gun free workplaces?" If you guessed post office you get a gold star.


So the next time they tell you it's guns responsible for this sort of incident tell them to shove it SIDEWAYS.... Like Mark Twain's quote about lightning it's not guns it's the distribution of guns that's the issue.

On a side note I'd like to say that this is eerily stupidly similar to port arthur and reeks of a patsy, multiple gunmen, or etc.

reply to post by TheCoffinman


Makhno!

reply to post by flexy123


It's WHY the same thing could happen in the states that should concern you!

The why is really pretty simple... incidents like these are used to demonize responsible firearms ownership and use. This is then used to restrict that use further resulting in laws and or company policies that further disarm the people that ARE LAW ABIDING while doing NOTHING to stop those that already have ill intent.

People act like this is a complicated or weighty issue that we little people don't have enough information to participate in the debate.... that's a load of utter BS! It's a dead simple situation. Criminals could care less if the restaurant or school you are in is a gun free zone! They will still be packing and they will be emboldened knowing that YOU AREN"T!!!!!

See? I told you it was simple.

This monster was a member of neo-Nazi forum "Nordisk", since 2009, according to this Swedish journal: expo.se...

Since most of the children he shot in cold blood were part of some sort of socialist training program, this further makes him into a fascist.

More details on that here:www.guardian.co.uk...

Potentially he was related to the far-right racist English Defense League, that seems to have members on the GLP forum, by the way. I've read posts, there, that DEFEND the killer's actions! Godlikeproductions has one feet in the coffin.

Are we even sure it was a fertilizer bomb? The OK City bomb was officially presented as a fertilizer bomb but I've read some plausible arguments that it was not. But I'm not a munitions expert.

Like most everyone here- I'm VERY SUSPICIOUS of this- things are not as they appear. I'm thinking false flag, someone wants to trigger a public panic in order to step up the "master plan" -- but why Norway? I'm going to keep checking this thread for more info on it as it develops, because a lot of the members here who know far more about this sort of thing than I do.

Thanks guys and girls!

The news saying at least 98 dead now. Line two.

Originally posted by Golithion
To be honest if this comes about as true Neo-Fascist and Neo-Socialist groups have been on the rise in Europe, including Scandinavia so it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.

follow the Guardian link on my reply. By now all evidence points out he's Neo-Nazi scum.

Fascists, no matter where they're from, are the only ones sick enough to shoot innocent children like that. They like bombing school buses, train stations at the busiest hours, skycrapers full of people in a weekday morning, and other mass murders of the likes.

National-socialism/fascism is inherently an ideology of mass-murder and genocide, because of its total disregard for the lives of all those who are not member of an "elite" group, breed, race, nation or religion. The world will not evolve for the better if we keep supporting sickos like them in our neighborhood, and that counts for ATS as well.

reply to post by jude11


Yeah all the 9-11 and terrorist references are kinda ticking me off. Back before 9-11 we would have called this what it is......a spree killing. It's not 'domestic terrorism'......it's some batsh*t crazy guy shooting a bunch of kids. I doubt there's any political motivation to this at all. Well I mean from the shooter's perspective....there's certainly a hell of a lot of political motivation behind the way they are characterizing it in the News.

Though I could imagine the whole thing was set up as some psi-ops thing....I am not believing that (unless some evidence comes forth strongly suggesting it)....I'd say the 'spin' being put on it, is perhaps one, though. There's a whole art to spinning the real news into an already preconceived false paradigm.



[EDIT: just now read the news of the huge explosion too.....OK, so now I'm thinking there may be more to this...that is IF these two are related somehow...If not then I stand by the comment I made]

reply to post by lifeform11


Your exactly right -

Latest death toll count is now 92 people.
This is frightening.

Any damn terrorist wannabe can make a bomb and kill some innocent people, but the really sick part with all of this is the fact that he manually gunned down 80+ totally defenseless minors with a rifle.

It's down to psychology.
When you bomb people to death you don't have to look them in the eyes while doing it, so it makes it a little easier from a psychologichal point of view.
But imagine the sick, twisted mind you need to gun down defenseless kids from point blank range, or looking through your scope and shoot them in the backs while they are swimming for their lives.

One would imagine there would have to be some sort of psychological stop somewhere, where that gunman would stop for a second and ask himself if this isn't enought already.
After 3 kills?
5?
10?
20?
Apparently it took 80+ dead kids to reach that stop.
Just knowing that there actually are human beeings capable of that in our society is truly horrifying!

Originally posted by bhornbuckle75
Yeah all the 9-11 and terrorist references are kinda ticking me off. Back before 9-11 we would have called this what it is......a spree killing. It's not 'domestic terrorism'......it's some batsh*t crazy guy shooting a bunch of kids. I doubt there's any political motivation to this at all. Well I mean from the shooter's perspective....there's certainly a hell of a lot of political motivation behind the way they are characterizing it in the News.

I sort of agree on the 'not terrorism' issue, though I think the lines on this one are a little blurry separating it from a true terrorist attack. If we call the Oklahoma bombing a terrorist attack, then one presumes the bombing in this instance could also be described as terrorism. As for the shooting, yes it is a spree killing. But for the numbers, I would agree with this assessment entirely. 84 or more though... the scale pushes it into what most people are going to call terrorism. If you assume the perpetrator isn't just some deluded psychopath playing god or some-such, then it would be assumed that he had some sort of 'cause'.
And if there was some sort of 'cause', be it religious or ideolgical, then it can technically be called terrorism.

crap.....heer we go again

One would imagine there would have to be some sort of psychological stop somewhere, where that gunman would stop for a second and ask himself if this isn't enought already. After 3 kills? 5? 10? 20? Apparently it took 80+ dead kids to reach that stop.

That's why you better don't try to understand a sick mind. Eg..when he came to the island (two hours after the explosion)..he already knew he killed 8 in the blast earlier - BEFORE he started shooting.

I am only sad that Norway does (as to my knowledge) not have a death penalty - or some way of capital punishment which involves long, extreme pain and then subsequent death.

What did he even "achieve" by killing 90 children?

That *****ard deserves to be locked up and raped by any other inmate every single day of his remaining life.