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US talks peace and prepares for WAR in Sudan

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posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 11:02 AM
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thats what i mean, if they see a chance to help someone take USA OUT OF THE RACE and we take over them that means they pretty much take over them, Im sure if we got controll of the states we would be willing to share with the people they have screwed in the past. what i mean is that they respect us more than them and if they dont have us to hold the leash back when they descide to do something that CAN/WILL effect the rest of the world than we have a issue with the other countys
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posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 11:46 AM
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The link you provided is nothing more than a opinion piece. No where in the article did it state the US was going to war with Sudan. The authors premise that America is to blame for the civil war there I think is a bunch of malarky. You have generations of history showing constant descrimination of blacks by the arabs, thats the root cause of the war.

In my opinion the United States will not be invading Sudan. I'm very much looking toward coming back to this thread in a few months and seeing who was right.



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 11:48 AM
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We will see.. I guess, as I stated, it is reminiscent of the rhetoric we heard before Libya.. remember when people said " there is not way this will last for more than a couple weeks", "there is no way there will be boots on the ground", etc etc etc. Now look!? Canada even extended its mission there until september! WTF! I hope you get to be all high and mighty in a couple months lokdog... i don't want to see it happen either... however i have my doubts



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 12:25 PM
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Originally posted by haarvik
Our constitution states that it is our duty to replace a government that ceases to serve it's people. Has ours not gone past that point? Maybe you are a drone of TPTB sent here to spread the "love thy neighbor" mentality knowing rebellion is not far off the horizon?


Your right actually...you changed my mind.

Its time we rise up and replace with force the people. For far too long the government has ignored the peoples demands to install environmental protections, to level the playing field between the haves and have nots...

They weaken our welfare system and give corporate bonuses (socialism only for the rich I guess).

They completely ignore the liberals!

I am with you...replace all these centerists and lets put in our desires for a hard left agenda at last! enough of these compromises and ignoring of the people.


See the problem yet?
We have elections because as a whole, we are not all on the same page. for a group to simply state that one agenda must become the main agenda, well, thats not how it works.
We vote in our thinking of the day and test things out...if they don't work, we vote in another person with a different agenda. the problem is when corporations become people and sway entire partys into doing one thing while saying another...it is far more advantagious to demand stops and weaken corporate influence in politics verses just replacing politics and tossing new people in the same trap.

I was born in America...I enjoy my freedom to disagree and set forth my vision of what the world should be. Part of that freedom is the freedom to expand on ideas. The constitution was a great idea for the time, and should be expanded upon to create a more perfect union...through trial and error, the government takes shape.

If I disagree with some root philosophy of the constitution, such as slavery, I have the option to oppose it and through government and amendments, it changes if its a popular enough move.

If this makes me a "drone" to believe in the concept of the republic, well...sure, I am a drone...but I would rather be a drone to the republic than a fan of despotism



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 12:32 PM
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Originally posted by Bob Sholtz
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America (or other countries) policing the world doesn't have to be a bad thing. sadly, all this "policing" action is for money and power, not moral reasons.

consider africa, a very sad state of affairs has existed there for a long time. poverty, disease, and corrupt dictators abound. why don't we go and help? because we stand to gain very little.


The myth that the US helps anyone has been well and truly busted, the US is persuing a murderous agenda of world control - for the benefit of the NWO and their Illuminati puppeteers..... They help no-one. The people of the whole world are simply cattle, nothing more than collateral to be used in any way they see fit to achieve their selfish, greedy, evil goals. If thouusands or millions die in the process it's of absolutely no consequence to them..in fact, they're glad because it helps their depopulation agenda.



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 12:36 PM
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Unfortunately you did not correctly read my post. I never said we should overthrow the government. What I said was those who violated the constitution or abused their office needed to go. If the people stand up and force these corrupt people out of office, the rest will take notice and realize we are not going to stand for it any longer. The problem is that our elected officials know that once they are in office, no matter what they do, we morons keep re-electing them so they do what they want. We have sat back and watched laws that we thought were stupid get passed because everyone thought that a normal person would see the absurdity in it and not pass it. Doesn't work that way. The people need to show solidarity and demand more accountability from our elected officials. Recent history shows they do not listen. The do however listen to force. It tends to get their attention.



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 12:38 PM
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Unfortunately the will of a few in the US destroys the image the rest of us portray and the values we hold dear. It's no wonder Americans are kidnapped overseas or murdered. Everyone thinks the American people is reflected in our leaders since we elect them. Too bad they don't know the truth that those people do what they want and we are too afraid to hold them accountable!



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 12:38 PM
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Originally posted by haarvik
Unfortunately you did not correctly read my post. I never said we should overthrow the government. What I said was those who violated the constitution or abused their office needed to go.


On that note, yes...rulebreakers need to go.
Whats needed is more enforcement of law to the top overall...



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 12:40 PM
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Originally posted by haarvik
reply to post by wcitizen
 


Unfortunately the will of a few in the US destroys the image the rest of us portray and the values we hold dear. It's no wonder Americans are kidnapped overseas or murdered. Everyone thinks the American people is reflected in our leaders since we elect them. Too bad they don't know the truth that those people do what they want and we are too afraid to hold them accountable!


I agree. It's the same for most countries. The people get flack for the foreign policies (and heinous crimes) of their respective governments.

I keep thinking we need a website where people from all over the world can express their unity with all other people everywhere, and denounce the crimes of their governments.



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by haarvik
Unfortunately you did not correctly read my post. I never said we should overthrow the government. What I said was those who violated the constitution or abused their office needed to go. If the people stand up and force these corrupt people out of office, the rest will take notice and realize we are not going to stand for it any longer. The problem is that our elected officials know that once they are in office, no matter what they do, we morons keep re-electing them so they do what they want. We have sat back and watched laws that we thought were stupid get passed because everyone thought that a normal person would see the absurdity in it and not pass it. Doesn't work that way. The people need to show solidarity and demand more accountability from our elected officials. Recent history shows they do not listen. The do however listen to force. It tends to get their attention.


I know you didn't say that, haarvik, and I know it wasn't what you meant, but the irony is that if all those who violated the constitution and abused their office were made to go, in effect that's almost tantamount to overthrowing the government, lol. Only a very, very small handful would be left.
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posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by lokdog
The link you provided is nothing more than a opinion piece. No where in the article did it state the US was going to war with Sudan. The authors premise that America is to blame for the civil war there I think is a bunch of malarky. You have generations of history showing constant descrimination of blacks by the arabs, thats the root cause of the war.

In my opinion the United States will not be invading Sudan. I'm very much looking toward coming back to this thread in a few months and seeing who was right.


Don't bother with common sense and coming back here will be a waste of time as they will have moved on to screaming and hyperbole over some other story that somebody made up. I suggest you just sit back and watch, it can be pretty amusing to watch them.



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 12:48 PM
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if it's a small handful, then a new election would be in order, but at least we would have the good ones left. how many demonstrations have taken place in DC with thousands of people attending and yet nothing changes. I view violence as a last resort, and in our current state I would have to argue that political and diplomatic solutions with our elected leaders has failed. just like our leaders do, if diplomacy fails, use force. they understand THAT process! If we had 1M citizens walk into DC, armed to the teeth, do you seriously think the US government would fire upon them? No way! they would realize how quickly any police action would turn violently against THEM! they would not be willing to risk their lives. Sometimes you need your own shock and awe!



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by wcitizen
The myth that the US helps anyone has been well and truly busted, the US is persuing a murderous agenda of world control - for the benefit of the NWO and their Illuminati puppeteers.....


Just a side thought.
the US is not alone here...China, Russia, etc...many different factions theoretically want to control the globe and install their version of order.
So, if that is the case...well, it comes down to which side you want winning overall. the western plans may not be peaceful and wonderful, but if you compare it to say, a chinese world government agenda, well, I think I would prefer the walmart and mcdonalds version verses the no internet, run over people whom protest version

just speculation...neither sound good to me, and until we the people of the world form our own NWO by our command, then really its just a "rooting for" game.




it helps their depopulation agenda.


Gotta say, you really should cut down on this talk.
there is no sign of depopulation...opposite actually, we are in a perpetual population explosion.
Not that there is no secret plans for such an event, but until there is some evidence of actual numerical depopulation going on, its just sort of crazy speculation

Like standing in a desert screaming the NWO is trying to flood the planet...
best to wait for a few drops of rain first, no? people die all the time, wars happen all the time, but the population is booming..and the more we advance warfare, the less civilian casualties there are...aka, bigger population

Compare WW2 to now...back then, we carpet bombed entire cities with dumb bombs, leveling entire cities to get some slight tactical advantage...now we are sending bombs through windows of buildings and leaving next door fine. Yes, there are still tons of civ casualties, however, if the name of the game was depop, we would just be dropping daisy cutters on metro areas at high noon...



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 12:53 PM
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Originally posted by haarvik
how many demonstrations have taken place in DC with thousands of people attending and yet nothing changes.


thousands in a country of hundreds of millions isn't even considered a drop in a very large bucket.
and the intent of protests is not so that a congressman can look out the window and decide right there and then to change things...its so the people of the nation can become aware of the point of view, get it in the public eye, and have the guy sitting at home become interested/research the message being sent so that the next voting cycle, he can make an informed decision.

Its the citizens response when they don't have a radio or television show to force media to cover and get the word out.



I view violence as a last resort,


Good, keep it that way. the only thing violently opposing something in a republic gets you is a lengthy prison sentence and being written off as a wannabe dictator and nut.



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 12:56 PM
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The USA has invaded / occupied / at War with so many Countries now, how long will it be before China or Russia have had enough?

Surely they aren't going to let the US keep this up and sit back and say or do nothing?

I like America and most of it's people, it's just the leaders need a brain transplant before they get obliterated.



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 01:09 PM
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Originally posted by haarvik
If we had 1M citizens walk into DC, armed to the teeth, do you seriously think the US government would fire upon them?


Wanted to respond to this hypothetical also

if 1m people, armed to the teeth, walked to DC and started doing violent actions to overthrow the democratically elected government, well...the constitution is pretty clear about this actually:

Against all enemies, both foreign and domestic

The irony is, by mob rule mentality to overthrow the republic in order to preserve the constitution, you are in fact violating the constitution and become an enemy of the nation simply out of default.
Elected officals...are to be removed should they overstep their powers, through legal means or voting. The people can come together and force a recall..impeachment and other tools to remove a sitting statesmen are in place.
To wield a gun and try to overthrow someone is overthrowing the will of the community...it is domestic terrorism.

so, yes, a million people armed and trying to violently overthrow the government...the government has a constitutional duty to preserve the republic against those whom would try to dismantle the republic.

and a million bodybags would be ordered...not to mention potential martial law put in place for awhile (constitional duty again..)..so, yes, the move would simply be disasterous and ironic:
Final result...the self proclaimed sons of liberty would end up traitors, and the end result would be a firm iron grip on our freedoms until the threat was gone.

Vote...vote vote vote...our legal revolution method is already in place...protest, vote, and get the information out. This isn't pakistan.

But hey, do what you want. Just going to say, if you do decide to go that route, expect life imprisonment as a good outcome for you...unidentifiable remains as the probable outcome, and either way, a message that extremist thinking can lead to criminal behavior...

I suspect some people on here are trolls though...governmental trolls advocating illegal activity in the hopes that someone will speak up and actually break the law with plans and such. Careful whom you are talking to, entrapment is not a valid defense here as nobody is outright suggesting it...just baiting and waiting for some less critical thinking ones to cross the line.

(incidently, welcome to ATS haarvic)



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 01:12 PM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by wcitizen
The myth that the US helps anyone has been well and truly busted, the US is persuing a murderous agenda of world control - for the benefit of the NWO and their Illuminati puppeteers.....




Just a side thought.
the US is not alone here...



The point I was making was in reference to a comment about why the US didn't help the countries in Africa.







China, Russia, etc...many different factions theoretically want to control the globe and install their version of order.
So, if that is the case...well, it comes down to which side you want winning overall. the western plans may not be peaceful and wonderful, but if you compare it to say, a chinese world government agenda, well, I think I would prefer the walmart and mcdonalds version verses the no internet, run over people whom protest version



But it will soon be the same in US and the West generally if we're not careful. The NWO has control of so many governments world wide. The violence against protesters has already started happening in the West. Unless we stand up to them now, the situation will be exactly the same here as else where and violence against protesters will be the new order of the day. Just look at the recent escalation in police brutality against citizens.




just speculation...neither sound good to me, and until we the people of the world form our own NWO by our command, then really its just a "rooting for" game.



Agreed. In fact, imo they are all on the same team, all working for the one agenda.




Gotta say, you really should cut down on this talk.
there is no sign of depopulation...opposite actually, we are in a perpetual population explosion.
Not that there is no secret plans for such an event, but until there is some evidence of actual numerical depopulation going on, its just sort of crazy speculation



Ya think?




Like standing in a desert screaming the NWO is trying to flood the planet...
best to wait for a few drops of rain first, no?

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people die all the time, wars happen all the time, but the population is booming..and the more we advance warfare, the less civilian casualties there are...aka, bigger population

Compare WW2 to now...back then, we carpet bombed entire cities with dumb bombs, leveling entire cities to get some slight tactical advantage...now we are sending bombs through windows of buildings and leaving next door fine. Yes, there are still tons of civ casualties, however, if the name of the game was depop, we would just be dropping daisy cutters on metro areas at high noon...


Imo it's already under way, it's just not directly admitted by the gov, of course. Imo, depopulation is likely go into top gear very soon. The worldwide vaccination programmes are part of it. GMO foods. The engineered worldwide food shortages currently just beginning, pharama drugs, toxic water, radiation.....and it's just the start, lol.
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posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 01:22 PM
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I have no doubt there are trolls here. The nature of the site itself invites them. But talk is cheap. Scenarios are cheap. Supporting an idea and speculating on the means/end result are also cheap. If TPTB want me, they know where I am. Having been formerly in SEAL training, I have no illusion that they keep tabs on my whereabouts/activities. I would be foolish to think otherwise.



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 02:38 PM
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Originally posted by Bob Sholtz
reply to post by Nspekta
 


America (or other countries) policing the world doesn't have to be a bad thing. sadly, all this "policing" action is for money and power, not moral reasons.

consider africa, a very sad state of affairs has existed there for a long time. poverty, disease, and corrupt dictators abound. why don't we go and help? because we stand to gain very little.

You got it.

After all, why should we waste our resources all the time unless there is significant return on the investment
and while other countries waltz right in after the US has done the dirty job.



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 03:51 PM
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It really boils down into a simple latin phrase.

Si vis pacem, para bellum is a Latin adage translated as, "If you wish for peace , prepare for war".

This is how the world really turns, and those who wish to deny it, should really leave this site.

Even the most lovable person may be required to take up arms or perish.

Live in your dream world and get run over, or do something about it.



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