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posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 11:54 PM
reply to post by TheUniverse

Great collection from media.

Truth = Bitter

False = Sweet

posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 12:01 AM
reply to post by TheUniverse

Whats wrong with simply showing you what Zionists believe in. I believe i have the right to do this.

Huh? Zionism is a political movement. If youre going to say Jews, just say Jews. Political Zionism has nothing whatsoever to do with religion/Judaism/Talmud etc.

If any cares to understand the TRUE philosophical nature of the Talmud, and how discussions are often presented in a give and take between mutliple sages; one usually giving an incorrect assumption, while another comes and clarifies the first statement. Yes. Sometimes the things spoken about - being symbols in themselves - can seem strange, but theres always a deeper reason for the selection of certain symbols..

The purpose of Talmud is logic. The entire Talmud - which means "to learn" ie; to hone ones logical thinking, is to strengthen mans logic and reason. This in itself has been regarded by some south Korean educators as the reason why Jews seem to excel in academics; having won a disproportionate percentage of Nobel Prizes in science, literature and economics.

Atleast read what this site has to say (defending itself from these calumnies) about the different accusations put forth against the Talmud.

Heres an example:

The Accusation

O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews, Sanhedrin 57a .

This is perhaps one of the worst lies stated. The Talmud and post-Talmudic literature absolutely and unequivocally forbid lying to anyone, whether Jew or gentile. It is forbidden to cheat or to profit from lying. Consider the following passage:

Talmud Chullin 94a

As Shmuel said: It is forbidden to deceive anyone, even an idolatrous gentile.

This statement is affirmed in Maimonides' famous legal work the Mishneh Torah (Hilchot Deiot 2:6) and in the Shulchan Aruch (code of law - Choshen Mishpat 228:6). The concept is evident throughout Jewish literature. A few other places where it can be found as law are: Rabbi Yom Tov ben Avraham Alashbili, Chiddushei HaRitva, Chullin ad. loc.; Rabbi Yehudah HaChasid, Sefer Chasidim, 51; Rabbi Eliezer from Metz, Sefer Yerei'im, 124; Rabbi Elazar Azkiri, Sefer Chareidim, 29:20; Rabbi Yehudah Rosannes, Derech Pekudecha, 2:36:2; Rabbi Moshe from Coucy, Sefer Mitzvot HaGadol (Smag), 1:74, 2:155; Rabbi Yonah from Gerona, Sha'arei Teshuvah (Gates of Repentance), 3:184; Rabbi Shmuel Eidels, Chiddushei Maharsha - Chiddushei Aggadot, Chullin ad. loc.

There is, perhaps, no clearer denunciation than the following of Maimonides in his commentary to the Mishnah:

Maimonides, Commentary to the Mishnah, Keilim 12:7

And similiarly, lies, tricks, subterfuges, cheatings, and circumventions of gentiles are forbidden. They said [as quoted above] 'It is forbidden to deceive anyone, even an idolatrous gentile' and even more so when it can lead to the desecration of G-d's name. For that is a great sin and imbues in a person bad traits. And all these wicked actions G-d explained that He will be disgusted with them and with those who perform them, as it says: (Deuteronomy 18:12) "For anyone who does these is an abomination of G-d."

With this in mind, let us approach the text in question.

Talmud Bava Kamma 113b

Shmuel said: Their mistakes are permitted. Like when Shmuel bought from a gentile a golden bowl (with the seller thinking it was bronze) for four zuz and accidentally paid him one zuz less.

The Talmud is not stating that it is permissible to cheat a gentile. We saw above that the Talmud specifically forbids that. What the Talmud is saying is that normal business relations is for each party of a transaction to be responsible for their side of the deal. If Shmuel found a cheap bowl and, after accidentally underpaying, the seller did not count his money, then Shmuel was not obligated to correct the seller. The seller was negligent and Shmuel did not have to correct his mistake. For one's brothers and relatives one must go beyond the standard practice of business relations and correct all mistakes - return lost change, explain all misunderstandings, etc. However, for a business relation with whom there is mutual respect and understanding but nothing more, one conducts business by following convention.

In case the preceding has been unclear, let me restate it. A Jew is not obligated to correct a gentile's business mistakes. The Jew may not trick the gentile but if the gentile has been careless then the sale is nevertheless valid.

The following are just a few sources who state explicitly that the Talmud was only referring to accidental mistakes: Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Geneivah 7:8; Rabbi Mordechai Ashkenazi, Mordechai, end of Bava Batra; Chinuch, 258; Rabbi Shlomo Luriah, Yam Shel Shlomo, Bava Kamma 10:20; Rabbi Ephraim Navon, Machaneh Ephraim, Hilchot Gezeilah 4; Rabbi Yehoshua Falk, Sefer Me'irat Einayim, to Shulchan Aruch, Choshen Mishpat 283:6, 359:3.

posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 12:04 AM
I want to see the proof god stands when he reads the Talmud
prove it

posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 12:06 AM
The origin of judaism? can some one light me up?

Its not in the torah so who "madeup" that ISM?

posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 12:11 AM
reply to post by TheUniverse

I don't usually agree with dontreally about much of anything. Maybe we can agree that oxygen is a useful atmopheric gas, but beyond that. So, mark the occasion.

While he is wrong in his claim that the Talmud quotations are fake, he's right that the video you sling around has a definite propaganda theme going for it. The ominous music, red-on-black color scheme, etc. The fact of the matter is that while the quotations themselves are actually in the Talmud, they're hardly shocking in the context of religion; even less so when you realize that the Talmud is basically a collection of opinions from bronze-age Rabbis in Babylon.

Many Jews - most, if I'm not mistaken - see the Talmud as little more than a bit of history about their faith, much as Christians see the Gospel of Thomas. And like people in religions all over the world, Jews are perfectly capable of looking at a passage, saying "that's crazy" and then disregarding it from then on out.

And finally, the Zionists... Sorry bud, but if you want to start swinging the Talmud around, you're going to be hitting more people than just the Zionists; And the truth is, Zionists (both Jewish and christian) are some of the least religiously-oriented people you'll ever find. Hell, according to most firm stances in Judaism, Zionism is actually against god; the return of the promised land is supposed to come on God's schedule, not man's, after all.

You're pushing obvious propaganda that has no actual point and certainly isn't making the point that you think it is.

posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 12:13 AM
And heres another

Killing Gentiles Is Forbidden

The Accusation

Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews, Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a Gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a Gentile he may keep.

Minor Tractates. Soferim 15, Rule 10. This is the saying of Rabbi Simon ben Yohai: Tob shebe goyyim harog ("Even the best of the gentiles should all be killed").

Robbing gentiles is absolutely forbidden and is dealt with in a separate section. Here we will demonstrate that in no way does the Talmud permit or encourage killing gentiles. Rather, it strictly forbids killing anyone, Jew or gentile.

The Text

Talmud Sofrim 15:10

R. Shimon ben Yochai taught: Kill [even] the good among the gentiles.

While this passage seems to advocate the genocide of all non-Jews, it must be remembered that this is a single passage extracted from a thorough study. Without seeing it in its original context, a simple reading is both incorrect and unsound scholarship. Let us look at the full original passage as recorded in a number of places.

The original teaching is as part of a study of the book of Exodus. At this point, the Jews have left Egypt but have not yet crossed the Sea of Reeds. The Egyptian people, after suffering through ten long and difficult plagues, have decided to pursue the Jewish people rather than let them go.

Mechilta, Beshalach 2 (on Exodus 14:7)

[Exodus 14:5-7 "It was told to the king of Egypt that the people had fled; and the heart of Pharoah and his servants became transformed regarding the people, and they said, 'What is this that we have done that we have sent away Israel from serving us?' He harnessed his chariot and attracted his people with him.] He took six hundred elite chariots [and all the chariots of Egypt, with officers on them all."]

From whom were the animals that drove the chariots? If you say they were from Egypt, doesn't it say (Exodus 9:6) "and all the livestock of Egypt died [from the fifth plague]"? If you say they were from Pharoah, doesn't it say (Exodus 9:3) "[Moses said to Pharoah]: Behold, the hand of G-d is on your livestock that are in the field"? If you say they were from the Jews, doesn't it say (Exodus 10:26) "And our livestock, as well, will go with us- not a hoof will be left"? Rather from whom were they, from the Egyptians who feared G-d [and were not affected by the plagues]. We now see that the livestock of the G-d-fearers that escaped the plague caused great hardship for the Jews [by being used for chariots to pursue them]. From here R. Shimon [ben Yochai] said: Kill [even] the good among the gentiles.

From the above teaching we see that R. Shimon ben Yochai was discussing a case of war. The G-d-fearers among the Egyptians allowed their animals to be used in battle against the Jews. Presumably, these people went along with their animals and drove the chariots. We now see that the G-d-fearers, the "good" among the gentiles, were doing battle with the Jews. To this R. Shimon ben Yochai said that, when in battle, do not try to spare the lives of those opposing soldiers who are fine, upstanding people. Kill any enemy soldier, regardless of their character. This contextual approach to understanding R. Shimon ben Yochai's statement is how the post-Talmudic literature has read this statement [see Tosafot, Avodah Zarah 26b sv Velo; Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Avodah Zarah 10:1]. Reading R. Shimon ben Yochai's teaching as a single-sentence imperative to kill all gentiles is simply wrong and is not how Jewish scholars have ever understood it.

Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Rotze'ach 2:11 and the commentary of R. Yosef Karo, Kessef Mishneh

A Jew who killed a righteous gentile is not executed in a court of law as it says (Exodus 21:14) "If a man shall act intentionall against his fellow..." [and a gentile is not considered a fellow] and even more so that he is not executed for killing an unrighteous gentile.

What our teacher Maimonides meant when he wrote that he is not executed in a court of law is that he is nevertheless punished by Heaven.

The above passage in Maimonides shows that there is a discrepancy between the treatment of a murderer of a Jew and a gentile. The Bible says that a murderer is only executed if he kills his "fellow" and by being parts of very different communities a gentile is not the "fellow" of a Jew. Is this murder forbidden? Absolutely. However, biblical fiat declares that this murder is not a capital punishment. However, rather than allowing this murderer to receive a minor punishment, his punishment is left to Divine providence. G-d will punish this sin appropriately because it is out of the court's hands.

While it is understandable that Jewish literature has been relatively quiet about something as obvious as the prohibition against killing gentiles, the following sources are just some of those who say it explicitly: Tosafot, Avodah Zarah 26b sv. Velo; Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Rotze'ach 2:11, Hilchot Avodah Zarah 10:1; R. Yoel Sirkes, Bayit Chadash, Yoreah Deah 158; Taz, Yoreh Deah 158:1; Beit Meir, Even HaEzer 17:3; R. Yosef Babad, Minchat Chinuch, 93:2; R. Avraham Yishayahu Karelitz, Chazon Ish, Bava Kamma 10:16.

posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 12:21 AM

Originally posted by solid007
The origin of judaism? can some one light me up?

Its not in the torah so who "madeup" that ISM?

It almost certainly has roots in one of the Nilotic (Egyptian) religious systems. The Abrahamic faiths don't really have a whole lot in common with the Mesopotamian religions that the bible claims may have been the origin (Abraham coming out of Ur, and all) though they did pick up some of the fables from that religion (Noah's ark, for example)

Abrahamism is essentially a pantheon religion, except that it only has one god; He started out as the god of the hearth (thus the tent) and graduated to mountain / sky / war god after the Hittites brought their Indo-European sky religion into the region. he is definitely apart from mortals, resides in a separate realm, and is distinctly tribal.

The Mesopotamian religion, on the other and, had more in common with the south Asian religions that would later develop into Hinduism and Zoroastrianism. Though there were multiple deities, they could be folded into one another easily, until one reached the one god who was also every god; a distinctly separate thing from the one god that is only one god. These deities were not separate from the mortal realm; they were believed to actually walk around with the people. It was also a fairly urban and inclusive religion, rather than tribal.

Interestingly, the Egyptians adopted a lot of concepts from the Mesopotamians later on, which is where you get so many Egyptian "crossover" gods. Like Amon-Ra and Ptah-Seker.

That is to say, much like the language, the religion probably came out of some part of noerhern Africa.

posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 12:40 AM
reply to post by TheWalkingFox

You clearly haven't answered my simple question.

The origin of Judaism?

Man made or god made?

It's not in the torah "ISM", another problem is you mentioned "Abraham"ism" still its not in the torah...Guys do not ridicule or make up words which is not in the holy book...

Still not convinced.

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posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 01:14 AM
reply to post by dontreally

" A Jew Should make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our Books say anything against them"- The Talmud
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posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 01:17 AM
reply to post by TheWalkingFox

Double Post >

posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 01:17 AM
reply to post by TheWalkingFox

Many Jews - most, if I'm not mistaken - see the Talmud as little more than a bit of history about their faith, much as Christians see the Gospel of Thomas. And like people in religions all over the world, Jews are perfectly capable of looking at a passage, saying "that's crazy" and then disregarding it from then on out.

I guess you missed this part in my post

The Talmud (Hebrew: תַּלְמוּד talmūd "instruction, learning", from a root lmd "teach, study") is a central text of mainstream Judaism. It takes the form of a record of rabbinic discussions pertaining to Jewish law, ethics, philosophy, customs and history.

Wikipedia- The Talmud

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posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 01:22 AM

Originally posted by digginapony
reply to post by Djarums

Exactly! Look at the facts:

The head of every major media organization is a Khazar, fake Jew. The head of every financial institution, including the Federal Reserve, the IMF and World Bank, is a Khazar, fake Jew,
We are fighting countries that are only threats to Israel. There are an overwhelming amount of dual-Israeli citizens making up the most prestigious positions of our government. No one knows that Israel is the only ME government that ever attacked the United States. No one knows Rachel Corrie or Jonathan Pollard. No one knows that Israel has been caught spying on the US more than any other group combined. Why is this? It is because anyone who even attempts to come out with the facts is Mel Gibsoned so fast. They are called anti-semites. We do not need Mr. Rosenthal's interview to tell us that. Look into the facts and decide. Here is just an impartial list of spying that only goes up until 2004and other hostile activity committed against the United States by a country that the media keeps telling us is "our greatest ally:"

1947. Information collected by the ADL in its spy operations on US citizens is used by the House Select Committee on Unamerican Activities. Subcommittee Chair Clare Hoffman dismisses the ADL's reports on suspected communists as hearsay."

1950 John Davitt, former chief of the Justice Department's internal security section notes that the Israeli intelligence service is the second most active in the United States after the Soviets.

1954 A hidden microphone planted by the Israelis is discovered in the Office of the US Ambassador in Tel Aviv.

1956 Telephone taps are found connected to two telephones in the residence of the US military attach in Tel Aviv.

1954 "The Lavon Affair". Israeli agents recruit Egyptian citizens of Jewish descent to bomb Western targets in Egypt, and plant evidence to frame Arabs, in an apparent attempt to upset US-Egyptian relations. Israeli defense minister Pinchas Lavon is eventually removed from office, though many think real responsibility lay with David Ben-Gurion.

1965 Israel apparently illegally obtains enriched uranium from NUMEC Corporation. ( Washington Post, 6/5/86, Charles R. Babcock, "US an Intelligence Target of the Israelis, Officials Say.")

1967 Israel attacks the USS Liberty, an intelligence gathering vessel flying a US flag, killing 34 crew members. See "Assault on the Liberty," by James M. Ennes, Jr. (Random House). In 2004, Captain Ward Boston, Senior Legal Counsel for the Navy's Court of Inquiry into the attack swears under oath that President Lyndon Johnson ordered the investigation to conclude accident, even though the evidence indicates the attack was deliberate. Given the use by Israel of unmarked boats and planes, and the machine-gunning of USS Liberty's lifeboats, the most likely explanation is that USS Liberty was to be sunk with all hands, with evidence left to frame Egypt for the sinking. This would have dragged the US into the war on Israel's side.

1970 While working for Senator Henry "Scoop" Jackson, Richard Perle is caught by the FBI giving classified information to Israel. Nothing is done.

1978, Stephen Bryen, then a Senate Foreign Relations Committee staffer, is overheard in a DC hotel offering confidential documents to top Israeli military officials. Bryen obtains a lawyer, Nathan Lewin, and the case heads for the grand jury, but is mysteriously dropped. Bryen later goes to work for Richard Perle.

1979 Shin Beth [the Israeli internal security agency] tries to penetrate the US Consulate General in Jerusalem through a "Honey Trap", using a clerical employee who was having an affair with a Jerusalem girl.

1985 The New York Times reports the FBI is aware of at least a dozen incidents in which American officials transferred classified information to the Israelis, quoting [former Assistant Director of the F.B.I.] Mr. [Raymond] Wannal. The Justice Department does not prosecute.

1985 Richard Smyth, the owner of MILCO, is indicted on charges of smuggling nuclear timing devices to Israel ( Washington Post, 10/31/86).

1987 April 24 Wall Street Journal headline: "Role of Israel in Iran-Contra Scandal Won't be Explored in Detail by Panels"

1992 The Wall Street Journal reports that Israeli agents apparently tried to steal Recon Optical Inc's top-secret airborne spy-camera system.

1992 Stephen Bryen, caught offering confidential documents to Israel in 1978, is serving on board of the pro-Israeli Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs while continuing as a paid consultant -- with security clearance -- on exports of sensitive US technology.

1992 "The Samson Option," by Seymour M. Hersh reports, illicitly obtained intelligence was flying so voluminously from LAKAM into Israeli intelligence that a special code name, JUMBO, was added to the security markings already on the documents. There were strict orders, Ari Ben-Menashe recalled: "Anything marked JUMBO was not supposed to be discussed with your American counterparts."

1993. The ADL is caught operating a massive spying operation on critics of Israel, Arab-Americans, the San Francisco Labor Council, ILWU Local 10, Oakland Educational Association, NAACP, Irish Northern Aid, International Indian Treaty Council, the Asian Law Caucus and the San Francisco police. Data collected was sent to Israel and in some cases to South Africa. Pressure from Jewish organizations forces the city to drop the criminal case, but the ADL settles a civil lawsuit for an undisclosed sum of cash.

1995 The Defense Investigative Service circulates a memo warning US military contractors that " Israel aggressively collects [ US] military and industrial technology." The report stated that Israel obtains information using "ethnic targeting, financial aggrandizement, and identification and exploitation of individual frailties" of US citizens.

1996 A General Accounting Office report "Defense Industrial Security: Weaknesses in US Security Arrangements With Foreign-Owned Defense Contractors" found that according to intelligence sources "Country A" (identified by intelligence sources as Israel, Washington Times, 2/22/96) "conducts the most aggressive espionage operation against the United States of any US ally." The Jerusalem Post (8/30/96) quoted the report, "Classified military information and sensitive military technologies are high-priority targets for the intelligence agencies of this country." The report described "An espionage operation run by the intelligence organization responsible for collecting scientific and technologic information for [ Israel] paid a US government employee to obtain US classified military intelligence documents." The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs (Shawn L. Twing, April 1996) noted that this was "a reference to the 1985 arrest of Jonathan Pollard, a civilian US naval intelligence analyst who provided Israel's LAKAM [Office of Special Tasks] espionage agency an estimated 800,000 pages of classified US intelligence information."

The GAO report also noted that "Several citizens of [ Israel] were caught in the United States stealing sensitive technology used in manufacturing artillery gun tubes."

1996 An Office of Naval Intelligence document, "Worldwide Challenges to Naval Strike Warfare" reported that " US technology has been acquired [by China] through Israel in the form of the Lavi fighter and possibly SAM [surface-to-air] missile technology." Jane's Defense Weekly (2/28/96) noted that "until now, the intelligence community has not openly confirmed the transfer of US technology [via Israel] to China." The report noted that this "represents a dramatic step forward for Chinese military aviation." (Flight International, 3/13/96)

1997 An Army mechanical engineer, David A. Tenenbaum, "inadvertently" gives classified military information on missile systems and armored vehicles to Israeli officials (New York Times, 2/20/97).

1997 The Washington Post reports US intelligence has intercepted a conversation in which two Israeli officials had discussed the possibility of getting a confidential letter that then-Secretary of State Warren Christopher had written to Palestinian leader Yasir Arafat. One of the Israelis, identified only as Dov, had commented that they may get the letter from Mega, the code name for Israel's top agent inside the United States.

1997 US ambassador to Israel, Martin Indyk, complains privately to the Israeli government about heavy-handed surveillance by Israeli intelligence agents.

1997 Israeli agents place a tap on Monica Lewinsky's phone at the Watergate and record phone sex sessions between her and President Bill Clinton. The Ken Starr report confirms that Clinton warned Lewinsky their conversations were being taped and ended the affair. At the same time, the FBI's hunt forMega is called off.

2001 It is discovered that US drug agent's communications have been penetrated. Suspicion falls on two companies, AMDOCS and Comverse Infosys, both owned by Israelis. AMDOCS generates billing data for most US phone companies and is able to provide detailed logs of who is talking to whom. Comverse Infosys builds the tapping equipment used by law enforcement to eavesdrop on all American telephone calls, but suspicion forms that Comverse, which gets half of its research and development budget from the Israeli government, has built a back door into the system that is being exploited by Israeli intelligence and that the information gleaned on US drug interdiction efforts is finding its way to drug smugglers. The investigation by the FBI leads to the exposure of the largest foreign spy ring ever uncovered inside the United States, operated by Israel. Half of the suspected spies have been arrested when 9-11 happens. On 9-11, 5 Israelis are arrested for dancing and cheering while the World Trade Towers collapse. Supposedly employed by Urban Moving Systems, the Israelis are caught with multiple passports and a lot of cash. Two of them are later revealed to be Mossad. As witness reports track the activity of the Israelis, it emerges that they were seen at Liberty Park at the time of the first impact, suggesting a foreknowledge of what was to come. The Israelis are interrogated, and then eventually sent back to Israel. The owner of the moving company used as a cover by the Mossad agents abandons his business and flees to Israel. The United States Government then classifies all of the evidence related to the Israeli agents and their connections to 9-11. All of this is reported to the public via a four part story on Fox News by Carl Cameron. Pressure from Jewish groups, primarily AIPAC, forces Fox News to remove the story from their website. Two hours prior to the 9-11 attacks, Odigo, an Israeli company with offices just a few blocks from the World Trade Towers, receives an advance warning via the internet. The manager of the New York Office provides the FBI with the IP address of the sender of the message, but the FBI does not follow up.

2001 The FBI is investigating 5 Israeli moving companies as possible fronts for Israeli intelligence.

2001 JDL's Irv Rubin arrested for planning to bomb a US Congressman. He dies before he can be brought to trial.

2002 The DEA issues a report that Israeli spies, posing as art students, have been trying to penetrate US Government offices.

2002 police near the Whidbey Island Naval Air Station in southern Washington State stop a suspicious truck and detain two Israelis, one of whom is illegally in the United States. The two men were driving at high speed in a Ryder rental truck, which they claimed had been used to "deliver furniture." The next day, police discovered traces of TNT and RDX military-grade plastic explosives inside the passenger cabin and on the steering wheel of the vehicle. The FBI then announces that the tests that showed explosives were false positives by cigarette smoke, a claim test experts say is ridiculous. Based on an alibi provided by a woman, the case is closed and the Israelis are handed over to INS to be sent back to Israel. One week later, the woman who provided the alibi vanishes.

2003 The Police Chief of Cloudcroft stops a truck speeding through a school zone. The drivers turn out to be Israelis with expired passports. Claiming to be movers, the truck contains junk furniture and several boxes. The Israelis are handed over to immigration. The contents of the boxers are not revealed to the public.

2003 Israel deploys assassination squads into other countries, including the United States. The US Government does not protest.

2004 Police near the Nuclear Fuel Services plant in Tennessee stop a truck after a three mile chase, during which the driver throws a bottle containing a strange liquid from the cab. The drivers turn out to be Israelis using fake Ids. The FBI refuses to investigate and the Israelis are released.

2004 Two Israelis try to enter Kings Bay Naval Submarine Base, home to eight Trident submarines. The truck tests positive for explosives.

Did you ever know of these acts? Why do you think that is?

Never forget those 5 dancing Israelis!

God Bless America! God Bless humanity!

I would also like to see the ones who speak out as if the Talmud has nothing to do with Judaism or Zionism to try and answer the questions brought up by this post.

Can you explain 5 Dancing Israelis and MOSSADS reputation?(Motto:"By Way of Deception, Thou Shalt Do War")

posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 03:42 AM
reply to post by solid007

solid god is a man made concept , therefore all religion is man made concepts !
your arguing with people over man made concepts , and whose man made idea of religion is better !

posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 07:30 AM
its not supposed to be the definition, but some people react as if this is the exact definition, usually Israel supporters get defensive pretty quickly.

posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 10:59 AM
reply to post by TheUniverse

And where in the Talmud does it say this?

If youre going to lie; atleast be creative. Which section of the Talmud does this "clause" appear?

I dont even know why you are doing this. Anyone who wants to get an idea of Jewish morality simply should look at Jews. Have Jews committed any offenses against gentiles? no

Have gentilres - both christians and muslims - made up things about Jews in order to have them massacred? yes. See simon of trent blood libel. just as Jews dont eat matzah made with the blood of gentile children (which goes against the commandment not to murder, not to eat blood, etc) so too nothing youve written in that video shouldb be undersrood in the venemous way youre trying to present it.

posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 12:59 PM

Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by TheUniverse

And where in the Talmud does it say this?

If youre going to lie; atleast be creative. Which section of the Talmud does this "clause" appear?

I dont even know why you are doing this. Anyone who wants to get an idea of Jewish morality simply should look at Jews. Have Jews committed any offenses against gentiles? no

Have gentilres - both christians and muslims - made up things about Jews in order to have them massacred? yes. See simon of trent blood libel. just as Jews dont eat matzah made with the blood of gentile children (which goes against the commandment not to murder, not to eat blood, etc) so too nothing youve written in that video shouldb be undersrood in the venemous way youre trying to present it.

Agreed, this thread is becoming border line Jew hate by spreading false propaganda. Have Jews massacred thousands of people in your lifetime? What about Muslims? And Christians? Answer those questions and a truth will be revealed to you.

posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 02:25 PM
reply to post by dontreally

Everyone look into it for yourselves. They are permitted to lie when asked about their beliefs to the goyim.

Forget about words and books for a second. Know them by their fruit. Look at the fruits of Zionism and understand who they really are.

P.S. For what it is worth, the Talmud does indeed teach all those horrible things. Be discerning and look for yourselves.

God Bless.

posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 02:28 PM
reply to post by BIGPoJo

"Agreed, this thread is becoming border line Jew hate by spreading false propaganda. Have Jews massacred thousands of people in your lifetime? What about Muslims? And Christians? Answer those questions and a truth will be revealed to you."

Yes they have massacred millions of Christians and Muslims.

Ukrainian Holocaust (over 10 million Christians dead in this anti-Christian pogrom)
Soviet Gulags
Armenian Holocaust

This is just the tip of the iceberg. Why did AshkeNAZI Jews like Rothschild and Warburg fund the Nazis? Look into Herzl, and his need for antisemism, then the Balfour Declaration, and then the Transfer Agreement to see the true reason for the World Wars and every major conflict since that time. There are Jews opposed to these satanic Zionists, so you are right that one should not hate all Jews.

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posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 03:17 PM
reply to post by BIGPoJo


Agreed, this thread is becoming border line Jew hate by spreading false propaganda. Have Jews massacred thousands of people in your lifetime? What about Muslims? And Christians? Answer those questions and a truth will be revealed to you.

And look what The U.S is doing protecting Israel in the Middle-East While hundreds of Thousands die

Some people can't see the real Agenda.

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posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 06:52 PM
reply to post by digginapony

That teaching doesnt exist you moron.

Saying it does goes against term 15 of this site: You will not Post any material that is knowingly false, misleading, or inaccurate.

There is no teaching in the Talmud that says "lie to goyim when they ask about our holy books". Even the tractate cited for this pathetic lie doesnt even exist. Its a lie. A fabrication. Most of the other quotes exist (although wholly misunderstood) but this one doesnt. Its just made up to put the icing on the "Jews are evil" cake. Its the final blow; to prove how 'malevolent' the Talmud is.

If you want to prove otherwise, find me this verse. Open up ANY Talmud - and many are in existence( Rabbi Adin Steinsaltz just finished his new commentary for the entire talmud. Try looking for it) New ones, old ones. The tractatwe doesnt exist! Ergo; Jews are not taught to lie to gentiles, otherwise there would be some mention of it in their Talmud - which there isnt, or any other of their sacred writings. On the contrary, Jews are told NOT to lie because it is an evil habit.
edit on 17-6-2011 by dontreally because: (no reason given)

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