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posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 07:43 PM
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which referred to Judaeans, the residents of the Babylonian province of Judaea, and not as a reference to members of the tribe of Judah.


Do you even bother analyzing this logic?

The very name "Iudea" is LATIN - so what sense is there in saying Judea was a babylonian province when our only knowledge of the province of Judea comes from Greek and Latin sources?

Additionally, Judea is the latinization of Judah. The very word "Yehudi", in Hebrew (it helps to read Hebrew) means "one of Yehudah". Judah in Hebrew is "Yehudah". The only difference between Yehudah and Yehudi is that there is a Yod at the end of the latter; to indicate one as being a member of this tribe.

This is just getting more and more absurd. Do you even know about the Hasmonean kingdom? Have you read Josephus, Philo? Do you care?




posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 08:04 PM
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Heres a rough history.

You got the first Temple period circa 1000 BCE

And this just shows you how bad your biblical knowledge is. The Babylonians destroyed the 1st temple at around 590 BCE, and then 70 years later, were themselves conquered by Persia and Medes. This is read in the book of Daniel (which you obviously have never read). And somewhat referred to in the book of Nechemia and Ezra - where the persians are related to as the new authority. So how long did the Babylonian reign last? A mere 70 years.

Yup.

The 2nd Temple period was 520 BCE - 70 CE.

In this time, the Jews lived in the province of Judah; which was under Persian control. At around around 333 BCE, Alexander the great conquered the region from the persians. Following the death of Alexander, Israel became the fronteir between the Selucid and Ptolemic empires, eventually to become apart of Selucid territory. In the 2nd century BCE, Antiochus IV tried to outlaw Judaism; circumcision, shabbat, and study of the Torah. This led to the famed maccabean revolt memorialized by the festival of Haunukah, celebrated by Jews till this day.

Between 140 BCE and 63 BCE, there was an independent Judea ruled by the Hasmonean dynasty, until they were fully conquered and taken under by the Roman Empire.

So agaIn. How exactly was Jesus (Yeshu) not a Jew? When exactly did those millions of Jews living in Judea and Samaria become "replaced"????

I hope you get how absurd your thesis is. I really dont know what else to say. Even as i write this i feel lost for words. The logic should be apparent. The Same judeans - Jews who revolted against the Greeks in 180 BCE, were the same ones who revolted against the Romans in 35 CE and 135 CE. Even in the book of Esther, Haman tells Ahaseurus that the Jews are known for 'revolting' against those who try to rule over them; because they dont pay heed to the parent culture; they refuse to worship their 'idols', alien ideas et,c which they regard as idolatry.



posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 08:10 PM
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Follow his links dude.

It is all ne-nazi, white supremacist, and replacement theology propaganda links.

Even Stormfront is using the stuff he quoted, word for word.
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posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 08:20 PM
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I dont get how his BS which comes from white supremacist neo Nazi websites, which is patently false and subversive, doesnt violate rule 15 of the terms and conditions of this site.

The moderators are always using their power to delete posts with 'sware words' or petty insults, but the more important issue; like spreading propagandic ideas and total lies are left completely alone...

If this doesnt qualify as 'false information' i dont know what would.



posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 08:30 PM
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Sign of the times, is all I can say.

:shrug:

But all their sites promote the NWO stuff, so I guess it makes it acceptable.


 
Posted Via ATS Mobile: m.abovetopsecret.com
 

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posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 08:36 PM
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What we call Jews today practice the same religion their forefathers did.

Nothing was added or taken away from the Torah.

Exactly and the same applies to the Talmud

Gentile=(Non Jew)
Gentile= Goyim
GOYIM


Quoted from the Talmumd " The Gentiles are not humans, They are Beasts"

"Even the best of the Goyim, Should all be killed"

"Do not save the Goyim in Danger of Death. Show no Mercy to the Goyim."

"Sexual Inter-Course between the Goyim, Is like Intercourse between animals."

"When the MESSIAH comes every Jew will have 2800 Slaves"

" EXTERMINATION OF THE CHRISTIANS IS A NECESSARY SACRIFICE"

" Jehovah Created the Non-Jew(Goyim) in human form so that the Jew Would not have to be served by Beasts. The Non-Jew is Consequently am animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night."

" To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious Relations would be equal to killing all of the Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly."

" A Jew may do to a non-Jewess what he can do. He may treat her as he treats a piece of meat"



The Talmud seems like an abhorrently evil book. I know other books like the Bible and the Quran have evil in them as well.

The Talmud seems to portray the Jewish as a people above all others

Its portrays Jews as despotic and having absolute rule as if they are superior to all other humans(Non-Jews, Goyim)

They will tell you it doesn't say this in their book the Talmud But it does indeed.

To anyone trying to dis-credit the claim of these quotes from the Talmud.

" A Jew Should make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our Books say anything against them"- The Talmud

I am Agnostic and have no faith and do not confide in any religion

The Talmud seems to be inherently an Evil book and it is a Central text of MAINSTREAM Judaism



The Talmud (Hebrew: תַּלְמוּד talmūd "instruction, learning", from a root lmd "teach, study") is a central text of mainstream Judaism. It takes the form of a record of rabbinic discussions pertaining to Jewish law, ethics, philosophy, customs and history.
Wikipedia- The Talmud

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posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 08:48 PM
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" A Jew Should make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our Books say anything against them"- The Talmud

You have to source this statement.

Which tractate in the Talmud is this found in?



posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 08:53 PM
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You took the words right out of my mouth



posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 08:53 PM
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"A Jew should and must make a false oath when the goyim asks if our books contain anything against them." Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Via 17.
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posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 09:01 PM
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Every one should see this


www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 09:17 PM
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No such tractate exists.

It is common knowledge that the Talmud is made up of 6 tractates (called the 'Mishnah').

These are:

Seder Zera'im

Berakhoth: blessings & prayers
Pe'a: corners of field
Demai: tithing produce purchased from a person suspected of not having tithed properly
Kilayim: prohibitions of crossbreeding and mingling varied species of plants, animals, and clothing Shevi'ith: Sabbatical year Terumoth: gifts due to Cohanim
Ma'aseroth: tithes given to the Levites Ma'aser
Sheni: tithes eaten in Jerusalem
Hallah: the portion of dough given to the Cohanim
Orlah: forbidden fruits
Bikkurim: first fruits brought to the Temple

Seder Mo'ed

Shabbath: Sabbath observance
Eruvim: the amalgamation of Sabbath bounds
Pesahim: observance of the Passover festival
Shekalim: the annual tax paid to the Temple
Yoma: observance of Yom Kippur
Sukkah: observance of Sukkoth
Betzah: festival laws
Rosh Hashana: observance of Rosh Hashana
Ta'anith: communal fasts
Megillah: reading of the book of Esther on Purim
Mo'ed Katan: observance of the intermediate days of Passover and Sukkoth
Hagigah: sacrifices offered during the three pilgrimage festivals

Seder Nashim

Yevamoth: laws of levirate marriage and halizah
Kethobboth: the mutual rights and duties of husband and wife
Nedarim: the making and annulment of vows
Nazir: concerning Nazirite vows
Sotah: biblical laws relating to one's wife
Gittin: laws of divorce and the annulment of marriage
Kiddushin: laws of marital status

Seder Nezikin

Bava Kamma: on damages to property and person
Bava Metzia: on lost and found property, embezzlement, fraud, usury, rights of hired laborers, partnership Bava Bathra: on real estate, inheritance, partnership, legal documentation
Sanhedrin: on courts of justice and judicial procedure Makkoth on criminal punishment and cities of refuge Shevuoth on private oaths or those administered by the court
Eduyyoth: one hundred laws transmitted them in the form of testimonies
Avodah Zarah: on prohibitions of idolatry and superstitions
Avoth: ethical teachings
Horayoth: on misdirection in matters of religious law, origination from religious authorities

Seder Kodashim

Zevahim: the Temple sacrificial system
Menahoth: the cereal and drink offerings
Hullin: on the slaughter of animals and the dietary laws
Bekhoroth: concerning the human firstborn and the animal firstlings
Arakhin: on vows of valuation or contributions to the Temple
Temurah: the substitution of one species for another
Kerithoth: on the sins punishable by death or being cut off from community of Israel
Me'ila: on sacrilegious treatment of temple property
Tamid: on the morning and evening offerings
Middoth: Temple architecture Kinnim: bird offerings


Seder Tohoroth

Kelim: on the ritual uncleanness of utensils
Oholoth: on the defilement caused by a corpse
Nega'im: concerning leprosy
Parah: regulations concerning the red cow
Tohoroth: on the defilements which continue until sunset
Mikvoath: on the requirements of baths for ritual purification
Niddah: the laws of family purity
Makhshirin: on liquids and foods that are susceptible to ritual uncleanness
Zavim: concerning secretions which render a person unclean
Tevul Yom: on the ritual status of a person who, having incurred and uncleanness that lasts until evening, has taken the required bath known as tevilah and must now await sunset before he is fully clean
Yadayim: concerning the defilement of the hands
Okatzin: on fruits and plants susceptible to uncleanness

The commentaries on these tractates are called the Gamara.


Now what the devil is "Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Via 17." No such book exists. The above was the Babylonian Talmud. No such book exists. Anyone here who doubts that can go search through any Talmud they want. No tractate exists with that name. No book exists with that name. No teaching such as that appears in the Talmud or in any piece of Rabbinic literature.

And since you are so fixated with misrepresenting Jewish beliefs.

Heres something to counter your evil slander.

In Pirkei Avot (Ethics of the Fathers; which appears in tractate Seder Nezikin as Avoth)

Show kindness to others

"The world stands on three things: On Torah, on prayer ("avoda"; can also mean sacrificial offerings), and on kindness to others" (1:2)

"Your house should be open wide, and you should make the poor members of your household." (1:5)

"Meet every person with graciousness." (1:15)

"He [Yohanan ben Zakkai] said: 'Go and see what is the right way that a man should seek for himself.' Rabbi Eliezer said 'A good eye'. Rabbi Yehoshua said 'A good friend'. Rabbi Yose said 'A good neighbor'. Rabbi Shimon said 'One who sees consequences.' Rabbi Elazar said 'A good heart'. He [Yohanan] said to them, 'I prefer the words of Rabbi Elazar ben Arach to yours, because his words include yours as well.'" (2:13)

[edit] Respect the other person

"What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow" (Shab. 31a)

"What is the right path a man should choose? Whatever is honorable to himself, and honorable in the eyes of others." (2:1)

"Let your friend's honor be more dear to you than your own." (2:15)

"The evil eye, the evil inclination, and hatred of men, drive a person out of the world." (2:16)

"Let your friend's money be more dear to you than your own." (2:17)

Seek peace

"Be amongst the students of Aaron: Love peace and pursue peace. Love people and bring them close to Torah." (1:12)

"The more charity the more peace" (2:8)



You can read much more here.

Link

And finally, a very important Talmudic statement with regard to non-Jews

Righteous people of all nations have a share in the world to come" (Sanhedrin 105a)

The world to come is a synonym for heaven. Whereas Gehinnom is the Talmudic term for hell. Thus, the Talmud teaches that all moral people assure themselves a pleasant and heavenly afterlife.

I dont think any early islamic or christian theologians say anything like thid about non Christians and muslims. And yet ironically, it is the Jews being called the evil ones.
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posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 09:42 PM
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Now what the devil is "Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Via 17." No such book exists. The above was the Babylonian Talmud. No such book exists. Anyone here who doubts that can go search through any Talmud they want. No tractate exists with that name. No book exists with that name. No teaching such as that appears in the Talmud or in any piece of Rabbinic literature.


This is not true it is simply Censored from the internet. They leave out alot of the texts that the Goyim would question


" To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious Relations would be equal to killing all of the Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly.-Libbre David 37"

This post from another forum is very relevant



To be honest with you, I think the Jews do a good job of keeping some of their most sinister Talmud information secret. If they didn't their true plans would be exposed to the mainstream public. For their own survival they keep things a secret. You have already confirmed some of the damning passages which gives you an idea of what the Talmud is really about. I think it is safe to assume that the unconfirmed passages are true too. Have you ever read the old testament? It is full of evidence regarding their quest for world domination. They created a god and called themselves the chosen ones. If you have a bible, read 1 Samuel 15:2-3 in the old testament and you will see the hatred their false god has for Gentile people. Knowing that this god is a fraud, it is easy to see into the true intentions of the Jewish religion.

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posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 09:46 PM
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wow. You'll just say anything, wont you?

It is COMMON knowledge, any Jew, or any academic who studies Rabbinic thought will tell you, the Talmud is made up of 6 tractates. Those sub tractates are called the Gamara; they explain and expound on the pithy statements of the Mishna (the 6 tractates).

OK? This is not censored for the internet. Anyone who wants to know can go by a Jewish book store, open a Talmud and search for that BS book. Or, they can simply type in that fictitious book on the internet and discover what many sites already say; it doesnt exist. Its anti-semitic propaganda.



posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 10:05 PM
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www.revisionisthistory.org...



"Jews are human beings; the other peoples of the world are not human beings, but beasts." Baba Mezia


Goyim
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posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 10:43 PM
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Originally posted by TheUniverse

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One thing that you mus always remember is that the Talmud is a collection of Jewish oral law (which must be in accordance with the Tanakh) couple with Rabbinic commentaries on the Mishnah over the next three centuries, called Gemara. As such, The Talmud may NEVER cross Torah. The two run parallel.

Now on to your "Talmud Quotes."

This will be interesting.


Quoted from the Talmumd " The Gentiles are not humans, They are Beasts"


lol. That is most certainly NOT quoted from the Talmud (reported your post, by the way).

--Rabbi Shimon ben Yochai said: The graves of gentiles do not cause ritual impurity in a dwelling as it says (Ezekiel 34:31) "Now, you [Israel] are My sheep , the sheep of My pasture, you are Man (Adam)…" You [Israel, the subject of the verse] are called Man (Adam) and gentiles are not called Man (Adam). Talmud Keritot 6b--

--One who uses the official anointing oil [that has been consecrated] to smear on an animal or vessels is innocent of violating the holiness of the oil, to smear on gentiles or corpses is innocent. Certainly an animal and vessels as it say (Exodus 30:32) "It shall not be smeared on flesh of man (Adam)…" and an animal and vessels are not man. One who smears on corpses is also innocent since it is dead it is called a corpse and not a man. However, why is one who smears on gentiles innocent? They are men! No, as it says (Ezekiel 34:31) "Now, you [Israel] are My sheep , the sheep of My pasture, you are Man (Adam)…" You [Israel, the subject of the verse] are called Man (Adam) and gentiles are not called Man (Adam)--

The relevance of the first passage is that causing ritual impurity in a dwelling is derived from Numbers 19: 14 "This is the teaching regarding a man (Adam) who would die in a tent…" Since the Talmud learns from Ezekiel that the term for man, Adam, only applies to Jews the verse regarding ritual impurity must also only refer to Jew who are called Adam.

Similarly, the second passage learns from Exodus 30:32 that only one who smears on a man (Adam) is liable. Since only Jews are called Adam, only one who smears on a Jew is liable..

When the Talmud sees the Hebrew word Adam it sees an allusion to Adam of Genesis 1-5 who was at one time the only person. The Talmud understands this as referring to the Jewish people who are an organic unit like one person. Gentiles do not have this organic national bond with each other and are therefore excluded from this concept.

Other terms referring to people, Bnei Adam (sons of Adam) or HaAdam (the man), are understood to refer to the species homo sapien of which gentiles are obviously members just as Jews are.

Thus, with regard to ritual impurity and holy oil, which are uniquely Jewish concepts, the Talmud sees an exclusion to all those who are not part of the organic Jewish nation. With regard to practical matters such as the purchase of land or individual matters such as spiritual status, gentiles are included. An understanding of all of the relevant passages in the Talmud shows that Gentiles are considered human but not Jewish and the accusations against the Talmud are false.

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"Even the best of the Goyim, Should all be killed"


Typical. Take things out of context. That is like me taking the line "But though thus contrasting within, the contrast was only in shades and shadows without; those two seemed one; it was only the sex, as it were, that distinguished them." from Moby Dick and saying that Moby Dick must be an early copy of Penthouse Letters.

The original teaching is as part of a study of the book of Exodus. At this point, the Jews have left Egypt but have not yet crossed the Sea of Reeds. The Egyptian people, after suffering through ten long and difficult plagues, have decided to pursue the Jewish people rather than let them go.

--From whom were the animals that drove the chariots? If you say they were from Egypt, doesn't it say (Exodus 9:6) "and all the livestock of Egypt died [from the fifth plague]"? If you say they were from Pharoah, doesn't it say (Exodus 9:3) "[Moses said to Pharoah]: Behold, the hand of G-d is on your livestock that are in the field"? If you say they were from the Jews, doesn't it say (Exodus 10:26) "And our livestock, as well, will go with us- not a hoof will be left"? Rather from whom were they, from the Egyptians who feared G-d [and were not affected by the plagues]. We now see that the livestock of the G-d-fearers that escaped the plague caused great hardship for the Jews [by being used for chariots to pursue them]. From here R. Shimon [ben Yochai] said: Kill [even] the good among the gentiles.--

"From the above teaching we see that R. Shimon ben Yochai was discussing a case of war. The G-d-fearers among the Egyptians allowed their animals to be used in battle against the Jews. Presumably, these people went along with their animals and drove the chariots. We now see that the G-d-fearers, the "good" among the gentiles, were doing battle with the Jews. To this R. Shimon ben Yochai said that, when in battle, do not try to spare the lives of those opposing soldiers who are fine, upstanding people. Kill any enemy soldier, regardless of their character. Reading R. Shimon ben Yochai's teaching as a single-sentence imperative to kill all gentiles is simply wrong and is not how Jewish scholars have ever understood it."

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"Do not save the Goyim in Danger of Death. Show no Mercy to the Goyim."


These, yet again, are not from the Talmud, but from the twelfth-century rabbi, Maimonides. The reference is to speculation about a hypothetical future time when Jews have power over non-Jews (unimaginable in his day) - that is, the Messianic Age, and did not refer to "Goyim" at all, but to idol worshippers - specifically, those who practiced human sacrifice.


"Sexual Inter-Course between the Goyim, Is like Intercourse between animals."


The only reference I found of this is an anti-Jew site, which says it is in Sanhedrin 74b . . . which it is not


"When the MESSIAH comes every Jew will have 2800 Slaves"


Another falsification. It is attributed to Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56D. There is no such book in the Talmud. It is actually the name of a 10th century Bible commentator. The "fol. 56D" is an invention.


" EXTERMINATION OF THE CHRISTIANS IS A NECESSARY SACRIFICE"


I feel like a broken record. The only source for this is -Gad. Shas. 2:2, which is non-existent in the Talmud.


" Jehovah Created the Non-Jew(Goyim) in human form so that the Jew Would not have to be served by Beasts. The Non-Jew is Consequently am animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night."


Source? Midrash Talpioth, 225-L. This is not a volume of the Talmud. It is something composed by an obscure Turkish Jew in the 18th century. His name was Elijah ben Solomom Abraham, ha-Kohen. He was not even a rabbi. It has no authority whatever and is little known.


" To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious Relations would be equal to killing all of the Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly."


Again, lies. The source is supposedly Libbre David 37. No such book exists in the Talmud or in the entire Jewish literature . . . and the supposed "quotes" do not exist anywhere, either. Quotations from or allusions to "Libbre David" can only be found in antisemitic books, on antisemitic websites, or on websites exposing them.


" A Jew may do to a non-Jewess what he can do. He may treat her as he treats a piece of meat"


Mistranslation. The reading is Nadarine 20. It is talking about husband and wife. Says nothing on Jew vs Gentile.



The Talmud seems like an abhorrently evil book. I know other books like the Bible and the Quran have evil in them as well.


It sure does when you add in # that is not in it, mistranslate what is really in it, and use hateful neo-nazi, ant-Jew websites and authors as your sources.


The Talmud seems to portray the Jewish as a people above all others


According to the religion, they (as a RELIGION) are. But the great Spider-Man quote fits here. With great power comes great responsibility. Do you want to be chosen? Follow YHWH. Sounds like jealousy. You want to be "chosen" but you do not want to fulfill what is required of you.


Its portrays Jews as despotic and having absolute rule as if they are superior to all other humans(Non-Jews, Goyim)


How would a non-jew rule in a strictly Jewish matter?




They will tell you it doesn't say this in their book the Talmud But it does indeed.


Really?

Please show me where. (did I say I reported this post already?)


To anyone trying to dis-credit the claim of these quotes from the Talmud.

" A Jew Should make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our Books say anything against them"- The Talmud


Another total fabrication. The two words of the supposed title mean "Responses" and are part of the titles of 1500 or so books, but there is no such book in the Talmud and the quotation does not exist anywhere in Jewish literature.

There is elsewhere a teaching which says that a Jew may certainly swear that there is nothing against Gentiles in the Talmud, because it is a true oath.


I am Agnostic and have no faith and do not confide in any religion


That is a personal issue.


The Talmud seems to be inherently an Evil book and it is a Central text of MAINSTREAM Judaism


No it is not.

The people who twist things (such as you are doing) are the evil ones.



By the way, For the record; virtually all of these "quotations" are based on the work of one I. B. Pranaitis, a late 19th-century Russian antisemite whose work as translated into English in 1939 and continues to be circulated among Jew-haters, neo-Nazis, and other bigots. There is no scholarship here, just lots of deliberate distortions and intentional misquotations and mistranslations and plain old made-up lies. This material was thoroughly discredited more than a hundred years ago. Only antisemites refer to it today.
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posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 11:00 PM
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So how did you learn about it if it can't be shown to Goyim?



Either supply proof of it's existence, or you are full of it. Deny ignorance, or something like that.



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There is elsewhere a teaching which says that a Jew may certainly swear that there is nothing against Gentiles in the Talmud, because it is a true oath.


This statement is inherently evidence that there is things against the Gentiles in the Talmud because there would be no such statement; if there wasn't

Also i don't think being wrong about things is against the T and C If i misquoted things i simply found them on the Internet if some things are misquoted.

That is not against the T and C because i did not know of such false-hoods.

But i am still not convinced because the Talmud is not to be revealed to the Gentiles(Goyim)

That is why we do not know of these quotes you are concealing them.



" A Jew Should make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our Books say anything against them"- The Talmud




--Rabbi Shimon ben Yochai said: The graves of gentiles do not cause ritual impurity in a dwelling as it says (Ezekiel 34:31) "Now, you [Israel] are My sheep , the sheep of My pasture, you are Man (Adam)…" You [Israel, the subject of the verse] are called Man (Adam) and gentiles are not called Man (Adam). Talmud Keritot 6b--


This statement above says that Gentiles are not Man subsequently proving you wrong. It may be taken out of context but it is still true.

The Jews think Goyim(Gentile) Are Not Human Inferring they are BEASTS


Also proving even further why They have a reason to Hide the Talmud from us; proving why the real transcripts that are posted official on Jewish websites do not allow the Verses , Transcripts, Tractates that shows what it may say about the Gentile are forbidden.

They do not post the real ones online because they know the repercussions of this they are smarter than that.

I believe it is not against the T and C since this is a conspiracy site and i suppose it is Conspiracy to claim that these texts really are in the Talmud and are censored and hid on the Internet.

It could possibly be true.

Because they own the Internet and the MSM



" To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious Relations would be equal to killing all of the Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly."

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posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 10:27 AM
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There is elsewhere a teaching which says that a Jew may certainly swear that there is nothing against Gentiles in the Talmud, because it is a true oath.


This statement is inherently evidence that there is things against the Gentiles in the Talmud because there would be no such statement; if there wasn't


So the statement is evidence that the statement exists, even though there is no mention of it anywhere else, except for anti-Jew web-sites.




Also i don't think being wrong about things is against the T and C If i misquoted things i simply found them on the Internet if some things are misquoted.

That is not against the T and C because i did not know of such false-hoods..


So do your dutiful research and deny ignorance, instead of spouting off hatred that is not based in facts. Ignorance is not an excuse on ATS.


But i am still not convinced because the Talmud is not to be revealed to the Gentiles(Goyim)

That is why we do not know of these quotes you are concealing them.


So, again . . . if we do not know these quotes, how are you using them?

Where did the quote originate?



" A Jew Should make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our Books say anything against them"- The Talmud


What tractate is that in? You state it is from the Talmud, then you must have hard evidence of such. Otherwise, it is a falsehood.




--Rabbi Shimon ben Yochai said: The graves of gentiles do not cause ritual impurity in a dwelling as it says (Ezekiel 34:31) "Now, you [Israel] are My sheep , the sheep of My pasture, you are Man (Adam)…" You [Israel, the subject of the verse] are called Man (Adam) and gentiles are not called Man (Adam). Talmud Keritot 6b--


This statement above says that Gentiles are not Man subsequently proving you wrong. It may be taken out of context but it is still true.


If it is taken out of context, than what you are saying can't be true, unless it is in context.

If I say "If Ellen stole my necklace, Bob is a liar," you would have the context.

If you over-hear me say "Bob is a liar" as you pass by an open window, you assume that Bob is a liar. But you missed the context.

So you go about saying that Bob is a liar based on part of the statement taken out of context. Does that make it truth? Hardly so.


The Jews think Goyim(Gentile) Are Not Human Inferring they are BEASTS


Really? Show me where it says Gentiles are beasts.

So how does this reading coincide with the Torah? As I said, all Law was run parallel to Torah, since Torah is the foundation of all law. Oral law can NEVER run contrary to Torah. WHere in the Torah does it say that Gentiles are beasts?

I will take a different approach with you.

--This idea does not exist in the Talmud or anywhere else, for one simple reason. A non-Jew has a soul, and when G-d created the world there were no Jews. G-d said, "Let us make ADAM in our image and our form" and He meant gentiles. Thus, Jews are not the only ones called "Adam" or person.



Furthermore, every Jewish child begins studying the bible in Leviticus, where it says, "A man (Adam) who brings an offering to G-d." The first offering discussed is a burnt offering, and gentiles bring it, even pagans. Therefore, they are "Adam" or people. The person who translated that gentiles are not ADAM as not being human made a mistake. Adam is not a word that defines people relative to animals. It defines people relative to G-d and holiness. We must know the context besides the exact translation.



We say that someone is a person, meaning a good person. We say, "He is a man," meaning, a special man. Adam can also have two meanings. It means a regular Adam, a human being with a soul who can know G-d, and it can also mean a higher man. A non-Jew, a pagan or a gentile, are surely "human" and not only the word "human" applies to them but also the word Adam applies to them as they all have souls. But when we refer to the highest level of a human, we may refer to something special. For instance, the Talmud and Zohar say that a man who is not married is not a "ADAM," because "it is not good for a man to be alone." Thus, an unmarried man is not a "Adam." Of course, he is human. But even a Jew or a High Priest without a wife is not "Adam" in the highest sense of the word.



The Talmud says that a gentile or pagan who studies Torah is like a High Priest, but this does not mean that a pagan or a gentile has achieved the highest level of humanity, which is accepting the yoke of Judaism. On the other hand, the Jews are only the clergy of the human race, and are a tiny people. Everyone else is Adam but not clergy. We respect clergy as they are special, but this does not denigrate others to say they are "not human." Link--





Also proving even further why They have a reason to Hide the Talmud from us; proving why the real transcripts that are posted official on Jewish websites do not allow the Verses , Transcripts, Tractates that shows what it may say about the Gentile are forbidden.


Get off the internet and go to any bookstore and by one. They are the same.


They do not post the real ones online because they know the repercussions of this they are smarter than that.


I am Jewish by blood, and I bought one from a rabbi in Israel. I know my Talmud front and back. I study it, along with the Torah, the Tanakh as a whole, and the B'rit Hadashah.

I know for a fact that what you say is false. I have the Talmud on my desk. Show me, a man who knows Talmud, where such a phrase would be found.


I believe it is not against the T and C since this is a conspiracy site and i suppose it is Conspiracy to claim that these texts really are in the Talmud and are censored and hid on the Internet.

It could possibly be true.

Because they own the Internet and the MSM


The world does not revolve around the internet. Go to your local library and research.




" To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious Relations would be equal to killing all of the Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly."

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It does not matter how many times you say it, or how big and bold the font you use.. Quotations from or allusions to "Libbre David" (which is where this passage is supposedly found) can only be found in anti-Jewish books, on anti-Jewish websites, or on websites exposing them.

R. Yishayahu HaLevy Horowitz, Shnei Luchot Habrit, Masechet Shevuot p. 33b (Jerusalem:1975)

It is forbidden to change the words of Torah even in times of danger; one must give one's life over it.

R. Shlomo Luria, Yam Shel Shlomo, Bava Kamma 4:9

Rather we see from here that we are obligated to give ourselves over and sanctify G-d's name and if one, G-d forbid, changes one law it is as if he denied the Torah of Moses... To [lie and] say that one who is innocent is guilty or vice versa is like denying the Torah of Moses. What is the difference between denying one word and denying the entire Torah?

According to Rabbis Horowitz and Luria it is FORBIDDEN to lie about the Torah or Talmud even if it means losing one's life. A proof is frequently brought from the Jerusalem Talmud Sanhedrin 2:1 (9b), Horiot 3:1 (11b). Another proof is brought from Talmud Bava Kamma 38a where the story is told of two Roman soldiers who were taught by rabbis the entire Written and Oral Law and found only one point to be offensive. Evidently the rabbis taught the truth about the laws to occupying soldiers even though the soldiers might find them offensive.

There is a dissenting view, however. The Yad Eliyahu (responsa 48) suggests that even though it is forbidden to lie about the Torah or Talmud, when there is a clear and present threat to human life it is better to lie than to have blood shed. According to the Yad Eliyahu, the rabbi would lie to the disgruntled pig farmer until he is calm and disarmed.


--Talmud Chullin 94a
As Shmuel said: It is forbidden to deceive anyone, even an idolatrous gentile.--

This statement is affirmed in Maimonides' famous legal work the Mishneh Torah (Hilchot Deiot 2:6) and in the Shulchan Aruch (code of law - Choshen Mishpat 228:6). The concept is evident throughout Jewish literature. A few other places where it can be found as law are: Rabbi Yom Tov ben Avraham Alashbili, Chiddushei HaRitva, Chullin ad. loc.; Rabbi Yehudah HaChasid, Sefer Chasidim, 51; Rabbi Eliezer from Metz, Sefer Yerei'im, 124; Rabbi Elazar Azkiri, Sefer Chareidim, 29:20; Rabbi Yehudah Rosannes, Derech Pekudecha, 2:36:2; Rabbi Moshe from Coucy, Sefer Mitzvot HaGadol (Smag), 1:74, 2:155; Rabbi Yonah from Gerona, Sha'arei Teshuvah (Gates of Repentance), 3:184; Rabbi Shmuel Eidels, Chiddushei Maharsha - Chiddushei Aggadot, Chullin ad. loc.

There is, perhaps, no clearer denunciation than the following of Maimonides in his commentary to the Mishnah:

--Maimonides, Commentary to the Mishnah, Keilim 12:7
And similiarly, lies, tricks, subterfuges, cheatings, and circumventions of gentiles are forbidden. They said [as quoted above] 'It is forbidden to deceive anyone, even an idolatrous gentile' and even more so when it can lead to the desecration of G-d's name. For that is a great sin and imbues in a person bad traits. And all these wicked actions G-d explained that He will be disgusted with them and with those who perform them, as it says: (Deuteronomy 18:12) "For anyone who does these is an abomination of G-d."--



What I find amazingly ironic is that you quote all of these things as Talmudic truths, yett when shown the actual quotes, you prefer to say that the real quotes are hidden.

So you can believe Talmud for the bad things it says, but not the good things?

Careful. Your hatred is showing through.
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posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 11:04 AM
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Do you even bother analyzing this logic?

The very name "Iudea" is LATIN - so what sense is there in saying Judea was a babylonian province when our only knowledge of the province of Judea comes from Greek and Latin sources?


changing the subject does nothing for the question at hand

how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? -Acts2


Additionally, Judea is the latinization of Judah. The very word "Yehudi", in Hebrew (it helps to read Hebrew) means "one of Yehudah". Judah in Hebrew is "Yehudah". The only difference between Yehudah and Yehudi is that there is a Yod at the end of the latter; to indicate one as being a member of this tribe.


it does to an extent as well as Greek both add little to what I'm looking for and there is only one indication


This is just getting more and more absurd. Do you even know about the Hasmonean kingdom? Have you read Josephus, Philo? Do you care?


more avoidance and changing the subject



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 11:11 AM
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--how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? -Acts2 --

Taken out of context.

Please do your research better. At least give us something challenging.

By the way, there is no subject changing. It is all part of recorded history, which we have both shown.

But let's dump all that out the window because Jews are evil!





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