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posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 01:57 PM
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LOL.Wiki?Still your incorrect.ITS not in your torah..period.Wiki is not torah




posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 02:10 PM
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what point are you trying to make in asking this quesrion?



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by Rustami
 


this is an interesting read on the subject-


Within Jewish Circles, there are two other official ways one can become a Jew. One can be born from a mother who calls herself a Jew, or one can 'convert' to become a Jew. (A convert is called a Ger which literally means stranger). Being born a Jew is pretty simple. If one's mother is Jewish (of the Jew-ism religion) then he/she is considered a Jew, if one's mother is not of the Jew-ism religion, then neither is the child officially a Jew. (It doesn't matter what race the father is).

They want the convert but the convert must be 100% committed to being a Jew. Discouraging conversion helps to filter out those 'lacking the proper degree' of commitment. Jew-ism is strongly Anti-Christian.

The term 'Jew', has come to be used synonymous with the term 'Israel, or Israelite', however, this is error. Scriptural "Yisraelites," the collective descendants of the 12 tribes of Jacob/Israel (the Northern Kingdom) were never called Jews. Modern Jews are not of the tribe of Yahudah, and are not a part of the Yisraelites of the Scriptures. They take the name Jew because the name is in the name of their religion i.e. Jew-ism. Jews have deceived may Christians into thinking that Jew-ism is a continuance of the Scriptural worship system of Jacob/Yisrael, but it is not.
assemblyoftrueisrael.com...



For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter [of the law]; whose praise is not of men, but of God.-Romans2

For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. -Philippians3

I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan. -Revelation2

He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. -Matthew15

My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. -John10

called by a new name -Isaiah 62,65,Revelation3

And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch. -Acts11

Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. -John4

Even that question came up only because of some so-called Christians there—false ones, really —who were secretly brought in. They sneaked in to spy on us and take away the freedom we have in Christ Jesus. They wanted to enslave us and force us to follow their Jewish regulations. -Galatians4NLT

Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.” -

Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. -Matthew21
www.biblegateway.com...


some more from above site and other interesting articles



Present-day Modern Jew-ism, was formally formed into it's basic cultic worship form about 1,000 years ago, (according to Jewish history), when - Rabbenu Gershon a Khazar/Jew of Mainz, Germany, published a ban on bigamy for the Jews. This marks the recorded beginning of the Ashkenazi Jewish Sect, and Franco-German halachic* creativity. The word 'Ashkenazi' is not Hebrew for the word Germany, although the name has become 'associated' with Germany because many Ashkenazi Jews organized in Eastern Europe.

Modern Jew-ism as a religion began about 1000 CE, and is traced to Rabbenu Gershon of Mainz, Germany, considered the 'Father' of the Ashkenazi Jews. Ashkenazi Jews constitute approximately 90% of all the worlds approximately fourteen million Jews. Modern Jew-ism is not the Scriptural worship system of the Hebrew Yahudi (of the tribe of Yahudah).assemblyoftrueisrael.com...


certainly brought this scripture to mind-

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.-Revelation20

how bout these guys?-


Although there are those who refuse to accept the teachings of our Rabbis and will continue to support the Zionist state, there are also many who are totally unaware of the history of Zionism and its contradiction to the beliefs of Torah-True Jews.

said that the non-Jews should be made aware that loyal Jews declined the offers contained in the Balfour Declaration of 1917.
www.jewsagainstzionism.com...



Present-day Jews are a pot-pourri of every race of man, and they do not have any geneaological or racial derivation from the ancient peoples of the Holy Land.

Since “Jews” were a mixed race from the beginning, the term “Semites” applied to them, admittedly, is silly. Thus, “Anti-Semitism,” actually means “Anti-Pharisaism.”

www.come-and-hear.com...



Over time, the Bible translators arbitrarily and incorrectly shortened the word “Judean” to “Jew” and incorrectly attributed ethnicity to the word, something it NEVER has in the Bible. And thus, the supposedly “Jewish” race was concocted out of thin air. But there is no such thing as a “Jewish” race. “Jewishness” is a culture and/or a religion – the culture and the religion of the Babylonian Talmud, the “holiest” book of Judaism, a book that is the antithesis of the Bible.www.goodnewsaboutgod.com...



The first King James version of the Bible unfortunately started to mistranslate the words Canaanite, Edomite and Hittite as “Iewe.” In subsequent versions they started to use the modern term “Jew.”



In light of this, and all the other scientific evidence, confirmed and verified, it should be enough to convince any rational person that the modern Jews are standing on very shaky ground in their racial claims to be descendants of Biblical Israel. If you don't believe me just read The Jewish Encyclopedia, remembering of course that there is nothing anti- Semitic about it. After all, the Hittites were not Semites at all. hittites.htm
www.biblebelievers.org.au...


hmm-

Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations, And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto Jerusalem; Thy birth and thy nativity is of the land of Canaan; thy father was an Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite.-Ezekiel16
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posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 03:19 PM
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Modern Jew-ism as a religion began about 1000 CE, and is traced to Rabbenu Gershon of Mainz, Germany, considered the 'Father' of the Ashkenazi Jews. Ashkenazi Jews constitute approximately 90% of all the worlds approximately fourteen million Jews. Modern Jew-ism is not the Scriptural worship system of the Hebrew Yahudi

Its great and warm feeling to read how modern Eastern antisemitism is drawing ideas on 1930s Western one. Hitler would cry out of joy.
Dude, 90 percent of Jews were Ashkenazi before 1940s and non-antisemitic non-satanic non-lucefiric warm and fuzzy Hitler decided to change that. However since modern antisemitic "scholars" still read and are inspired by third reich antisemitic crap they do not mind that it is wrong for decades for reason they will certainly appreciate.
Next- Khazar Jews of Mainz. Listen,read good books. Not ones that try to prove a point that X are eeeeeevil, but ones that try to educate you without ideologically charged nature.
There were Jews in Germany during Roman empire time. Before Turkish tribes who united in Khazar Kaganate existed. There were Jews in Germany ,and in Mainz, during Frank and Merovingians rule - before Khazar Kaganate. There were Jews in Mainz during Carolingians. This is more or less the same period of Khazar appearance and conversion to Judaism.
But i think that this is all in vane. You guys really do not care about facts. You know the "truth" after all and the facts who are opposite to it are irrelevant, right?
Solid007, you can add another short pointless remark to keep flame of hate going.



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 03:59 PM
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Originally posted by solid007
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LOL.Wiki?Still your incorrect.ITS not in your torah..period.Wiki is not torah


Actually, it is quite clearly in the Torah, if you would bother to actually try and comprehend what you are reading, instead of being obtuse. So are you going to actually argue with the facts I have presented, or are you going to continue making a fool out of yourself?

Is it there by the modern name? No. Does it have the same meaning? Yes.


I have already proven that to you twice.

I will try one more time . . .

For example: In the Tanakh, there is a city called Joppa. That is the ancient name for the town of Jaffa, which today we call Tel Aviv.

The origin of the name Tel Aviv is never mentioned in the Tanakh, or any holy book So who invented the words Tel Aviv? Because we call it Tel Aviv means there was no ancient city of Joppa?
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posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 06:40 PM
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Thankyou for this post.

I also like your sig; its so true


People are soooooo blooooody naive. Its like talking to 10 year olds who have no concept of how the world works. "Conspiracy" to them is a modern idea; and only applicable towards Jews.

People who want to make a point will do EVERYTHING possible to make that point. This includes; setting up websites claiming certain facts that are being covered up. Getting Jews - and this is a fact - to make statements about Jews, Judaism, or Zionism that would otherwise come off as anti-semitic.

Example: Karl Marx - a Jew - was commissioned by higher powers to put his name behind the communist manifesto. He didnt write it. The Bund Ger Gerechton (the communist league) did. Theyre just smart. They can get multiple things done at once; promote communistic ideas (which are PAGAN, and PLATONIC, and in complete contradiction towards Judaism in every way; for one, communists are professed atheists) and create the idea that it is Jews propogating these ideas.

It appears as if there was a polarization process that caused certain population segments of Europe to develop an antagonism towards the Jew, whom they pictured as a Communist, because so it seemed at the time. The only Jews they heard about or read about in the papers were Communists- the facts notwithstanding that Judaism and Communism are mutually exclusive, and that one cannot have dual loyalty. Allegiance to one system demands treason to the other. Simultaneously, Jews were depicted to other population segments as selfish capitalists. And so the protestations of the Jewish masses against their identification with radical causes appears to have fallen on deaf ears, so too against their alleged capitalistic inclinations.

cited from "To eliminate the Opiate"


So Jews are behind BOTH capitalism AND communism, and nobody finds this idea fishy. Nobody connects these baseless accusations to ancient accusations like Jews kill christian children to make maztah with their blood. Or Jews were behind the black plague.

Nope. It doesnt go any deeper. In their minds, these accusations probably have a basis. Everything said against Jews has to be true; its as if their schizophrenuic minds cant integrate undesirable information.

Its not religion, or morality, or any of those ideological differences that irks the pagan/liberal aristorcatic, anarchistic class; nope. Its the Jews and theyre ceaseless endeavors to accomplish something that has no name; no rhyme or reason. I have even yet to have someone explain to me what zionism is, and why it poses a threat to the world. They cant explain it. Nobody has done it. The point is: its an irrational idea. Communism had a verifiable aspect that was morally repugnant. Abolution of family values. Abolition of personal rights and liberties. These are evil things, worthy of condemnation. Same with National socialism (which was the same thing but on a national level) But what the hell is zionism!!? Its just something elites and conspirators repeat over and over again, and idiots drink it up, never asking themselves, what the hell is it?

If were going to hold to the strict definition of Zionism, it is the nationalistic movement for a Jewish state in the hold land. Now HOW Exactly does this pose a threat to anyone? Why do Arabs get 21 states, but other natives to the middle east and north africa; Berbs, Kurds, Jews, Copts, get nothing? Again. Another unimportant question, because nobody else is talking about it. Until it becomes an issue, and made an issue by some 'mainstream' personality, whether on network news or the internet (like another mainstream internet personality, alex jones) it will remain a non issue.

People tend to have their interests dictated for them; and the anti-zionist crowd is a perfect example.

They see a Rorthschilds, Schiffs and Warburgs, and they immediately think "Jewish conspiracy", but not, a conspiracy to create the impression of a Jewish conspiracy. Nope. That doesnt jibe with their beliefs, or feelings towards Jews. Its not as if Jews have historically been the target of gentiles malfeasance? nope. And why hate Jews? What is it about them that is so detestable? their isolationism? Is this really so annoying? Please. Chinese are just as isolationist - in the communities they live in - as Jews are. Atleast they dont take over the way chinese have. Its their morality. Its the same reason why Tacitus, Cicero, and other ancient historians and poets spoke ill of them. Its why they lied about them, and spred repulsive stories about their origins; like apion of alexandria, manethos and herodotus.


Another example of promoting a lie but because it comes from a Jew, is likely to be taken as valid is Arthur Koestler

"The hatred of barbaric Jews towards the Rabbinate exceeds the hatred of anti-Semitic Gentiles towards the Jewish people."

(Babylonian Talmud, Pesachim 49b)

The Talmud says this! And yet people think all Jews play on the same team; as if being Jewish wasnt more an ideological issue - since one can convert and become a Jew - then a racial distinction. It is a matter of FACT that secular, liberal Jews consider orthodox, traditional Jews as primitives; and indeed Karl Marx wrote a book called the "Jew Niggers". Secular and religious do not get along; and in the higher echelons - all being liberal, leftist, atheists - they have an utter hatred and animosity towards Judaism. look up Sabbateanism, Frankism, Moses Mendelsohn, Abraham Geiger, and their relationship to the bavarian Illuminati.

So, Koestler wrote a book. does that make it true? Does it mean that ALL European Jewry is now from an 8th century kingdom in eastern Ukraine? Come on! As you said, the Jews were already firmly established in France, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Greece and the Balkans WELL before the 8th century. The Rabbinic scholar, Shlomo Ben Yitzchaki (11th century) was a 5th generation resident of provence.

Why dont people go to wikipedia. (and people can be a little too hard on wikipedia. If a piece of information has a citation, and the book or website can be found, it is just as a legitimate as a citation from a book)

Jews in France


According to the Jewish Encyclopedia (1906), "The first settlements of Jews in Europe are obscure. From 163 B.C. there is evidence of Jews in Rome [...]. In the year 6 C.E. there were Jews at Vienne and Gallia Celtica; in the year 39 at Lugdunum (i.e. Lyon)." Further documents indicating the presence of Jews in France before the fourth century are as yet unknown. Hilary of Poitiers (died 366) is praised for having fled from the Jewish society. A decree of the emperors Theodosius II and Valentinian III, addressed to Amatius, prefect of Gaul (July 9, 425), prohibited Jews and pagans from practising law and from holding public offices ("militandi"), in order that Christians should not be in subjection to them, and thus be incited to change their faith. At the funeral of Hilary, Bishop of Arles, in 449, Jews and Christians mingled in crowds and wept, while the former sang psalms in Hebrew. From the year 465 the Church took official cognizance of the Jews. Jews were found in Marseille in the sixth century, at Arles, at Uzès, at Narbonne, at Clermont-Ferrand, at Orléans, at Paris, and at Bordeaux. These places were generally centers of Roman administration, located on the great commercial routes, and there the Jews possessed synagogues. In harmony with the Theodosian code, and according to an edict addressed in 331 to the decurions of Cologne by the emperor Constantine, the internal organization of the Jews seems to have been the same as in the Roman empire. They appear to have had priests (rabbis or ḥazzanim), archisynagogues, patersynagogues, and other synagogue officials. The Jews were principally merchants and slave-dealers[citation needed]; they were also tax-collectors, sailors, and physicians.


Jews in Germany


While the date of the first settlement of Jews in the regions the Romans called Germania Superior, Germania Inferior, and Germania Magna is not known, the first authentic document relating to a large and well-organized Jewish community in these regions dates from 321[3] and refers to Cologne on the Rhine[4][5][6]. It indicates that the legal status of the Jews there was the same as elsewhere in the Roman Empire. They enjoyed some civil liberties, but were restricted regarding the dissemination of their faith, the keeping of Christian slaves, and the holding of office under the government.


Jews in Italy

Jews in Russia

All of these sources cited have Jews living in the above places LONG BEFORE the khazar kingdom. Additionally, there isnt even proof that the Khazars fully embraced Judaism.

Also, all genetic evidence - and there have been 5 studies to date - show that Ashkenazi Jews are genetically closer to Sephardic Jews then to any other peoples.


A 2010 study on Jewish ancestry by Atzmon et al. says "Two major groups were identified by principal component, phylogenetic, and identity by descent (IBD) analysis: Middle Eastern Jews and European/Syrian Jews. The IBD segment sharing and the proximity of European Jews to each other and to southern European populations suggested similar origins for European Jewry and refuted large-scale genetic contributions of Central and Eastern European and Slavic populations to the formation of Ashkenazi Jewry."


en.wikipedia.org... n_to_Judaism
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posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 07:54 PM
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You have understanding problems.Point me in your torah that clearly say the religion of judea is "JUDAISM" people is having a laugh on you.It's hard to swallow the truth.I understand



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 08:11 PM
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Originally posted by solid007
Definition of Anti-Semitism from the lips of a Jew:

“Anti-Semitism does NOT signify opposition to Semitism. THERE IS NO SUCH THING. It is an expression we use effectively as a SMEARWORD, used to brand anyone who brings criticism against us.”

Harold W. Rosenthal (Jewish), administrative assistant for then-U.S. Senator Jacob K. Javits (Jewish) of New York, in an interview with American Christian magazine editor, Walter White.

Is it true?


Any individuals or groups who identify their selves as Jewish or Israeli who show hatred towards Semitic Arabs, Asians or Africans are actually Anti-Semitic so the question is ironic from that perspective.




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posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 09:43 PM
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Originally posted by gnosticquasar
For the most part, I agree that accusing someone of being anti-Semitic is just a smear. I don't agree with my country's continuing unwavering support of Israel. That's because I'm against genocide, not because I hate Jews.


The vast majority of all sane neutral individuals would no doubt entirely agree with you, i certainly do.



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 10:05 PM
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Originally posted by angelchanneller
Oh and by the way, for the most part I am on board with this thread...I take issue with Rosenthal, but like Mod said...its old news.

Inside the tribe...anti-semitism is a misnomer...it has really not to much to do with Jews as I recall. It is not used.

I am a member of a two state solution temple that funds Palestine and aligns themselves with Palestine's borders that include their water rights and rights to the Temple Mount.

Also, we are interfaith...so so much for Jews not being for Jesus, also we have many Jews married to Muslims, Buddhists, Sikhs, the list is endless. Also, we have people who do not believe in God or being Jewish by action. They just believe a Jew should help people and that is all they do. No worship whatsoever. It can get very confusing.

As for Zionists, what a mess...and yes, the end of all the greedy families is coming not just the Jewish ones, but yes, its all coming down. So corrupt, rotten to the core. Our family friends with us fight this horror everyday so our children have a world free of it when we are gone.

I am writing a book on the Jew Jew Killers. Its amazing...even the Jews do not know what you all know here. They, especially the holocaust survivors cannot take it when you explain that it was Jews who turned them in for the most part. I may have to wait until my Dad passes on and some older Aunts and Uncles. It is too much for them. I have caught the Simon Wiesenthal stacks trying to hold tight to this documentation. But I will get it one way or another. Cannot finish the book without.

But just so you know, there are Jews and there are Jews. The Jew Jew Killers are with the Big families, aligned fully and trained by them. Then there are just plain old everyday Jews that get kicked around just like everyone else. Especially in temples like mine...Israel does not even recognize us. Seriously. We have no right of return. The last time our Rabbi was in Israel he met with Abba's equivalent of the Secretary of State to let the cabinet know that the US had a huge conference of temples raising money for Palestine and supporting this through our congress and the knesset.

Well, you can imagine how that went over. What ever...its always something isn't it.


The "Zionist" lies (be they termed as Christian, Jewish or whatever for me is irrelevant) are being exposed to the light and all the greedy corrupt Zionists are and will continue to fall like a house of cards until they cease to exist, i have no doubts at all about this.


If the Zionist movement attempt to change the name of their corrupt movements which they have done numerous times throughout the past few millenniums in order to continue with their corrupt ways they will be easily recognised instantly by their words and deeds.

Peace and freedom for all regardless of color or creed will only happen through the continued exposure of all that are corrupt regardless of their color or creed.



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 11:09 PM
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Originally posted by solid007
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You have understanding problems.Point me in your torah that clearly say the religion of judea is "JUDAISM" people is having a laugh on you.It's hard to swallow the truth.I understand


What exactly is your point?

I grow tired of the BS games.

I already showed that Judaism is not mentioned by name in the Torah, as it is a modern name for the religion.

Again . . .

A Jew is the modern name for the people who were called Israelites and Hebrews in earlier times. They came to be known as Jews because after the split of Israel, the southern kingdom was called the Kingdom of Judah. With the destruction of the northern kingdom of Israel, the kingdom of Judah became the sole Hebrew state and the term Jew was applied to all Israelites.

Judaism:

Juda - the tribe of Judah

ism - A distinctive practice, system, or philosophy

Judaism is a distinctive practice, system, or philosophy of the tribe of Judah. This same that all the tribes practiced (Judah just happened to be the last one left.).

Judaism and the ancient religion are one in the same, just by a different name.

So again, what is your point?



posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 12:54 AM
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Show me in hebrew by quoting from the torah and your Mitzvah saying your religion is "JUDAISM"

ONE WORD "JUDAISM"

Say hello to my friend AGAIN





ISM is added by a man a philosopher , not by God.Thats my point.So Question remains.Do you believe your GOD ?Did he permitt a man to add or take anything from holybook?if no then disperse the ISM and go back to abraham.Go n Figure
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posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 01:24 AM
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You are really all over the place.

I am sorry you can't / won't make the connection in your brain.

What we call Jews today practice the same religion their forefathers did.

Nothing was added or taken away from the Torah.




 
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posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 04:26 AM
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This notion of these Khazars being placed in these positions to be scapegoats has been addressed already. When people start putting the pieces together and see one group in total control, the Zionists come out and say it is to create the illusion Khazars, what most call Jews today, are in power.

The fact of the matter is, every single person I know who basically lives their normal 9 to 5 lives without pursuing any academic affairs has no idea that the heads of the Fed, the IMF, and World Bank are all Jews. Of course, there is the stereotype that Jews are good with money, and some will make this claim. However, not one of these people thinks there is a Jewish conspiracy. They are all convinced Muslims are the ultimate evil. Not one of them knows that Israel has been caught spying on the US more than any other country. These are the same people who do not know the difference between Sunni and Shia. They were mostly convinced Saddam had WMDs and was partly responsible for 9/11.

The head of every major media corporation and news outlet is a Khazar Jew. There are headlines in the Daily News mocking Qaddafi and the bombing of Libya. It makes the front page. It is printed in victorious manner. These stories are constantly shown to the American public. Never would an incident like the Gaza Flotilla Raid be made a significant news story. Why does the media not tell the public that Israeli soldiers killed nine unarmed civilians, including one American citizen. It was determined that these were execution style murders. Israel even admitted the passengers did not have any fatal weapons and were delivering humanitarian aide. Moreover, no one knows the name Rachel Corrie. No one knows about the USS Liberty or the Lavon Affair to only name two examples.

Whenever confronted with the possibility that Muslims were not responsible for these attacks, people become belligerent. They become even more angry when someone suggests it was Israel. They state things like "they [Israel] would never take such a chance." They simply do not know that Zionists completely control the media. They simply are so absolutely positive that Muslims hate America and are a threat to them and their families.

It does not make any sense. Any time the truth comes out or an insider speaks the truth they are labeled "anti-Semitic" and stopped in their tracks. For a more powerful group to put Jews in these positions, even just for show, is moronic. They are given positions in which they cannot be undermined. Think about the media alone. Even with the stupid rationale they were given these positions, any group that is ambitious, hell I will even give you the benefit of the doubt and hypothesize in an alternate world Jews are not ambitious but are just defending themselves against future aggression, will use these positions to usurp power for themselves. Think about it! Even if it was just for Jews to protect themselves, they would use their prestigious positions for their own benefit. The Vatican, or whoever else you want to blame it on besides the Jews, would be total imbeciles to put them in these positions. They would lose this power you suggest they have. Use common sense people. I am not even discussing the facts that point beyond a reasonable doubt there is one specific group seeking complete hegemony and these people are indeed Khazars. Let us just use common sense and what we know on the surface. With the control of the Fed, the IMF, and the World Bank, any threat would never take off the ground. It takes money to fight. The Rothschilds are worth 500 trillion dollars alone. There are not many people who need to be paid off to suit their agenda.

It makes no sense. Ask yourselves, is the information being presented in the mainstream media even subtly suggesting a worldwide Jewish conspiracy? It is NOT! You have shows like Family Guy and South Park devoting entire episodes to a deranged Mel Gibson running around. Remember kids, this man is crazy, do not listen to anything he says. You have shows constantly referencing the most evil people in the history of the world, the Nazis, and the most evil man in the world Hitler. It is not even questioned. It is a fact to people. Hitler is the epitome of evil. How many movies are made about the Jewish Holocaust? How many are made about the Ukrainian Holocaust? We are bombarded with the former but the majority of the people I ask have no knowledge of the latter. Why is that? Is it not strange this is the case considering who controls the media? On the surface, despite all the facts that exist that I am not mentioning, there is not an agenda to scapegoat the Jews. IN FACT, there are so many shows that makes jokes like "...if something goes wrong, people can just scapegoat the Jews like they always do." These are Jewish writers writing this!!! This is brainwashing. It is implanting the idea that any criticism or future criticism of the Jews is false and they are being made scapegoats. DO not get me wrong, it is a great strategy. for their conquest, they will have no choice but to have some of the evidence being in the forefront, what better way to stop the truth from being made other than simply telling you people are going to say this ahead of time. There are so many "preemptive strikes" like this in the media. There was even a joke in which American Dad subtly made a reference to some "hateful, racist" as being not an anti-semite or a Jew-hater, but an anti-Zionist. Khazars understand that most people are good and are not criticizing Jews but are rather pointing out the egregious crimes committed by Zionists. For American Dad to use this term was very strange. In fact, there are many people who do not even know what the word "Zionist" means. It was completely out of place and extremely transparent. There are many Jews, the real Torah Jews, who are vehemently opposed to Zionism. The fact of the matter is that the exile was by divine decree. This truth is inconvenient for the zionists as it undermines their support of the Christians who blindly send their kids to die for Israel thinking god gave them that land and deems to be special. As much as many Zionists try to get people brainwashed into thinking anti-zionism is antisemitism, it does not change the fact that these two things are not the same at all!!! Zionism is a material ideology. Scenes like this from American Dad do shows how aware these Zionists are of more people learning the truth. Whatever the case, you think the all-powerful Vatican that places Jews in power could do a better job of getting people to hate the Jews by this point.

Everyone please think about the information that is presented to you. Ask yourself if there is an undeniable Zionist slant and then ask yourself if it is possible that the fact that every media head is a Khazar just may have something to do with it. The hatred for Muslims has been so ingrained in people's minds. This will not easily be rectified. The absolute sympathy for the Jews as being the most oppressed people in the world is totally indoctrinated. It is not even questioned anymore. There is the great video of the girl crying over Finklstein's criticims of Israel. She is so shocked that someone could criticize Jews after "all they have been through." No one even thinks about how what they claim to be upset about is exactly what is being done to the Palestinians. I see this time and time again. There is this absolute shock when people make any criticism of the Zionist state. Please ask yourselves if this would hold true for any other group.

This idea that Jews are placed in all of these positions is absolutely ludicrous. Once again, any group that would do this are absolute morons as the the Khazars, or any group for that matter could use this overwhelming power to take power for themselves. Just think about the power of the media alone. 80% of the population believed Saddam had WMDs. Why? Bin Laden can not even be charged with 9/11 as they cannot even make up evidence for such a thing. September 11 is not on his FBI most wanted page. Now ask yourselves how many people automatically associate Bin Laden with 9/11 Did you see the news of the White House the night of the supposed killing of Osama?? You are telling me Jews only hold the most powerful positions in the world to be scapegoats in the future??? They control the actual printing of money. Almost every single country is now a Rothschild central bank. They own 80% of Israel and Reuters and the AP and on and on and on....These people are setting themsevles up to be killed by the rest of the population?? It makes NO sense. I am not even saying this as a skpetic who says that there are no conspiracies to set up people. I absolutely believe there are. However, in this case, every single thing is the complete opposite. Politican after politican calls Israel our greatest ally. Presidents must bow before AIPAC. Watch any Christian evangelist.


Once again, I am just asking people to look at what is observed on the surface without getting into the facts that prove that the Khazars are indeed the illuminati and the ones wishing to usher in the New World Order. The one world religion will be Judaism, but it is not really Judasim. If you want to know a secret, think about two towers. Think about one with the sun for Christianity and the other with the moon for Islam. I am sure most of you know the symbolism. The red crescent being the symbol for Islam, for example. In the middle is the pyramid, the so-called father-religion. The towers will be brought down leaving only the middle pyramid. Look at the checkered floor. Think about the architects. This is wisdom. If you think the new world religion of judaism is to revere the creator, look at the star of david. It is not the star of david but the star of rephan which has 6 triangles, 6 lines in the central HEXagram, and 6 points. It is for Satu(r)n, the symbol for material wealth. does anyone revere Satu(r)n and the day Satu(r)day?


Look into everything. Just think about basic human nature. Say you are Jewish. Even if you are not totally out for world control, would you still not use your control of the media to make sure you, your family, and your so-called people are preserved? Would it be smart for any group who seeks world power to put one group in control like this?? One last time:this is not even getting into the facts that prove the Khazars are the ones enslaving humanity. Just look it from a common sense perspective. The scapegoat theory fails at every single level.

Why are people like Rahm Emanuel and David Axelrod always involved in places like the White House? Most americans do not know these names, No one is trying to get people think it is the jews because Rahm is in the white house again. There are such positions under the radar in the governments, media, and finance. Do you really think Obama would have chosen these men? They are his handlers and you will see them surrounding goys in power everywhere. It was illegal for Rahm to be mayor of chicage for residency requirements. This was made a non-issue and now he will be mayor of chicage. We have Bloomberg in NYC way past his terms. Look at Carl Levin, Schumer, and all the other jews on every single investigative committee. It cannot be any other way. They do not have truth on their side. They must make sure it never surfaces. Most people do not even know Levin. Even those who do probably do not even know he is Jewish. These people are not placed there for show. Why were the 5 dancing Israelis never mentioned in the 9/11 report? Even if the story of Muslims doing it was true, which it absolutely is not, should not any investigation be thorough not only for the truth but for possible future threats to the country and the American people!?!?!? What if Mossad has been infiltrated by Muslims? I know it is absolutely laughable, but should not everything be made a part of the research? IT MAKES NO SENSE!!! THEY ARE NOT BEING SET-UP TO BE SCAPEGOATS.

Look at it from just a common sense perspective. Tv show and movie after movie make it a point of subtly telling us this character is jewish or this one is. These are our friends in our fantasy world. We watch them try to get laid. We watch them playing pranks. We watch them be heroes for their goy friends. They are us, or so we are being told. Look at those two Khazars in Harold and Kumar. It is made known to you that they are Jews so you will always think of Jews as being your friends,. There was the one movie with Danny mcBride and Seth Rogan in which McBride is asked to describe to men. He describes Rogen as possible being Jewish. He is going only by sight. Who the hell talks like that?? Who ever says "he may have been Jewish?" You are being indoctrinated to know the protagonist is Jewish and is lovable and non-threatening.

You will see it time and time again in tv show after tv show and movie after movie. He wears a Super Jew shirt in another movie. They talk about Munich and being Jews in "Knocked Up." What part of the story did it serve? Watch it and you will see it is bizarre. It is just a very strange scene for a movie. These are just minor examples but ask any researcher or student of psychology and understand indoctrination.

Our heroes are dying in at least 4 muslim countries right now for Israel. Seriously, ask yourselves, were any of these countries threats to the US. Look at Iraq. It is the size of Texas. There is a diabolical agenda so far into its progress, the borders of greater Israel are quickly becoming a reality. To say a group that is benefiting from the deaths of millions of Muslims and Christians while getting even more security, wealth, and power is being set-up to be scapegoats is a damn slap in the face to all that is good in this world. It is s slap in the face to the American families who have lost their homes due to the unscrupulous, usurious practices of the Zionist controlled banks. How dare anyone say that??!! They are being made scapegoats while being in positions to remain and achieve almost guaranteed security to the ungodly resources from monstrous wealth while also possessing and acquiring even more assets to attack any country in the world!!!

With their wealth, they blackmailed security firms for nuclear power plants all over the world to put Israeli firms in control of their security!!! Look into it and the Samson Option!! This is not some wild conspiracy theory!!! Look into the writings of even Israelis!!! Look into the firm Magna BSP. All of your phone calls are being monitored by ISraeli companies! Look into it!! It is a fact. You will it being discussed by even american politicans as just simple matter of fact. They say it in the same breath as Mercedes selling us German cars.

If any group put these Khazars in power just to scapegoat them they are morons and their plan already backfired. Israel is now in a position to thwart any somewhat decent attack politically or militarily. The Khazars were not put in the positions to be scapegoats. IT FAILS ON EVERY SINGLE LEVEL.

Research the Samson Option my fellow brothers and sisters. There is a group of people, and it is not every single Jew, who absolutely abhors humanity. They make up the heads of the Federal Reserve, the IMF and World Bank. Think about it. Think about just this aspect alone. It takes money to do anything. One family is worth an estimated 500 trillion dollars. They own 80% of Israel and the media. Is it possible, just from a common sense stand point, is it just possible that we may have been conditioned to consider muslims, the enemies of Israel and the the enemies of the 500 trillion dollar clan which own 80% of the country, our enemies?? Would this one family alone, being part of this group and owning 80% of the country and thus 80% of the interests of the country, just maybe slant everything to favor Israel? Just ask if that is possible.Go into your research determined to prove that this is not the case. Tell yourself there is no Khazar conspiracy. Try to find the facts to dismiss this idea. you will find that it is an impossible task. do not take my word for it. try it for yourselves.


To be continued....
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posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 02:28 PM
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Do you think Islam was Islam? Just 200 years ago Islam was being called "mohammidism" by Orientalists. Hundreds of years earlier Muslims were called "saracens"....

Does this then mean....that Muslim, Mohommadan and Saracen are different things?!

No. It doesnt. Its the same religion; following the same core teachings. The name for your "religion", when almost everyone you live amongst is of your "religiion".... It is practically pointless to give your 'religion' a name, when your religion is infact your way of life. It is not a 'name', and giving one isnt necessary. Only to outsiders is Islam, Judaism (especially these two) and to a lesser extent Christianity and Eastern religions, given a name.

Similarily. In ancient writings, the belief system of the Jews was localized to only Jews; one who converted became a Jew. Thus, they're a "Jew", which implies they have certain beliefs about there being a one G-d. Who demands of man higher levels of personal responsibility, and morality. This is a Jew. Same Jew as existed in the middleages, same Jews of the early era (0 CE - 800 CE) and the same Jews of the first and second period times,

No difference.



posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 06:03 PM
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what are you talking about -"before 1940's"? what does that have to do with the word "Jew"~semite and the various other words it has been used in place of in the scriptures or the recent appearance? are you trying to say it appeared before then and does best cover the other words and their meanings?


mitochondria. Their DNA shows that today's Jews from the largest group, the eight million Ashkenazim – most of whom once found their home in central and eastern Europe, and who now represent the majority of American Jews..A scan of half a million variable sites across the genomes of several hundred Europeans and Americans, each aware from their family history of having had a recent Jewish or a non-Jewish ancestry, gave an absolute separation between Jews and others: even a single Jewish grandparent was enough to provide an unambiguous identity, written in DNA www.telegraph.co.uk...



"Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew." The Jewish Almanac (1980)

Many people suffer under the misapprehension that Jesus was a "Jew,"

However, the point here is this: the very first time the word "Jew" is found in the modern Bible, they are at war with Israel.

The 1933 edition of The Oxford English Dictionary is helpful in this respect and lists the first published usage of the word "Jew."

which referred to Judaeans, the residents of the Babylonian province of Judaea, and not as a reference to members of the tribe of Judah.

they are not the true biblical Covenant People

until "Shiloh," came who would then assume headship and receive the allegiance of true spiritual Israel as Isaiah 9:6-7 foretold. That is, when the Messiah arrived.

In the modern, colloquial idiom "Jews" are descendants of Judah while in the Bible it means anyone dwelling in Judaea regardless of lineage or ethnicity.

Numerous copies of these revised 18th century English editions ( especially the Rheims (Douai) and the King James translations of the New Testament) were distributed to the clergy and the laity throughout the English speaking world. And so, the new readers of these 18th century editions were introduced to a new word both to them and the English language, the word "Jew." For, these readers did not know the history of the origin of the English word "Jew" and accepted it as the legitimate modern form of the ancient Greek "Ioudaios" and the Latin "Iudaeus." Thus, these new readers did not understand or care to question the meaning and use of the word "Jew" since it was a new English word to them. Consequently, the use of the word "Jew" was not only stabilised by these 18th century editions but also its anachronistic application to people and places fully established.

"Iesus Nazerenus Rex Iudaeorum."
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newensignarchive.christogenea.org...

allcreatorsgifts.blogspot.com...


Jesus was not a Jew and therefore he was not a Judaean. Moreover, Jews are not the Tribe of Judah. Correctly, members of the Tribe of Judah are Judahites. That is, Judahites are of the Bloodline of Judah. Consequently, Jesus was not a "Jew," he was, correctly, a Judahite ("Yhuwdiy") of the Bloodline of Judah, a direct decedent of King David and an Israelite living in Galilee and so was a Galilean. "Jew" is a nationalistic word not a racial word and means someone living in Judaea. The southern part of ancient Palestine coming after the Kingdom of Judah and a Roman province at the Time of Christ.
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posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 06:35 PM
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Not sure , but great to differ the subject and its a nice way to twist the other way around..Nothing new.So did you manage to find that quote?lol



posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 07:33 PM
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Your post is filled with so much misinfo it is unbelievable.



mitochondria. Their DNA shows that today's Jews from the largest group, the eight million Ashkenazim – most of whom once found their home in central and eastern Europe, and who now represent the majority of American Jews..A scan of half a million variable sites across the genomes of several hundred Europeans and Americans, each aware from their family history of having had a recent Jewish or a non-Jewish ancestry, gave an absolute separation between Jews and others: even a single Jewish grandparent was enough to provide an unambiguous identity, written in DNA www.telegraph.co.uk...


--A study of haplotypes of the Y-chromosome, published in 2000, addressed the paternal origins of Ashkenazi Jews. Hammer et al.[40] found that the Y-chromosome of Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews contained mutations that are also common among Middle Eastern peoples, but uncommon in the general European population. This suggested that the male ancestors of the Ashkenazi Jews could be traced mostly to the Middle East. The proportion of male genetic admixture in Ashkenazi Jews amounts to less than 0.5% per generation over an estimated 80 generations, with "relatively minor contribution of European Y chromosomes to the Ashkenazim," and a total admixture estimate "very similar to Motulsky's average estimate of 12.5%." This supported the finding that "Diaspora Jews from Europe, Northwest Africa, and the Near East resemble each other more closely than they resemble their non-Jewish neighbors."

A 2001 study by Nebel et al. showed that both Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jewish populations share the same overall paternal Near Eastern ancestries. In comparison with data available from other relevant populations in the region, Jews were found to be more closely related to groups in the north of the Fertile Crescent. The authors also report on Eu 19 chromosomes, which are very frequent in Eastern Europeans (54%-60%) at elevated frequency (12.7%) in Ashkenazi Jews. They hypothesized that the differences among Ashkenazim Jews could reflect low-level gene flow from surrounding European populations and/or genetic drift during isolation.[41]


A 2005 study by Nebel et al., based on Y-chromosome polymorphic markers, showed that Ashkenazi Jews are more closely related to other Jewish and Middle Eastern groups than to their host populations in Europe. However, 11.5% of male Ashkenazim were found to belong to R1a1a (M17+), the dominant Y-chromosome haplogroup in Eastern Europeans, suggesting possible gene flow.[42]

. . .

However, a 2006 study by Behar et al.,[1] based on high-resolution analysis of haplogroup K(mtDNA), suggested that about 40% of the current Ashkenazi population is descended matrilineally from just four women, or "founder lineages", that were "likely from a Hebrew/Levantine mtDNA pool" originating in the Middle East in the 1st and 2nd centuries CE. Although Haplogroup K is common throughout western Eurasia, "the observed global pattern of distribution renders very unlikely the possibility that the four aforementioned founder lineages entered the Ashkenazi mtDNA pool via gene flow from a European host population:

"..Both the extent and location of the maternal ancestral deme from which the Ashkenazi Jewry arose remain obscure. Here, using complete sequences of the maternally inherited mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA), we show that close to one-half of Ashkenazi Jews, estimated at 8,000,000 people, can be traced back to only four women carrying distinct mtDNAs that are virtually absent in other populations, with the important exception of low frequencies among non-Ashkenazi Jews. We conclude that four founding mtDNAs, likely of Near Eastern ancestry, underwent major expansion(s) in Europe within the past millennium.."[1][43]

In addition, Behar et al. have suggested that the rest of Ashkenazi mtDNA is originated from ~150 women, most of those likely of Middle Eastern origin.
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"Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew." The Jewish Almanac (1980)


But the eye of their God was watching over the elders of the Jews*, and they were not stopped until a report could go to Darius and his written reply be received.

*Strongs - (Chaldee); patrial from H3061; a Jehudaite (or Judaite), that is, Jew:—Jew.
H3061 - (Chaldee); contracted from a form. corresponding to H3063; properly Judah, hence Judaea:—Jewry, Judah, Judea.

Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913 + 1828)

ARTFL > Webster's Dictionary > Searching for jew:
Displaying 1 result(s) from the 1828 edition:
JEW, n. [a contraction of Judas of Judah.] A Hebrew or Israelite.


Many people suffer under the misapprehension that Jesus was a "Jew,"


Oh, he wasn't?


Yeshua (Jesus) is from the Tribe of Judah (Heb. 7:14). His earthly father was descended from David (Matt. 1:6-16) and His mother was as well (Luke 1:27, 32-34, 3:23-31).

In addition, Yeshua was born King of the Jews (Matt. 2:2). The King of the Jews must Himself be Jewish (Deut. 17:15). His aunt Elizabeth was Jewish (a descendant of Aaron, Moses' brother) and His uncle Zacharia was a Jewish priest (Luke 1:5, 36). Yeshua was circumcised according to Jewish law (Luke 2:21, Lev. 12:2-3), and redeemed according to Jewish law (Luke 2:22-23, Num. 18:15). His mother atoned according to Jewish law (Luke 2:24, Lev. 12:6-8). He is called The Consolation of Israel (Luke 2:25) and The Glory of Thy People Israel (Luke 2:32). Jesus was born a Jew.

In adult life, His disciples were Jews (John 1:47, Matt. 20:25-26) and they called Him 'Rabbi' (John 4:31). Mary called Him 'Rabboni' (John 20:16). They sought Him because they believed the Torah and the Prophets (John 1:45).

A Pharisee who had not yet come to faith in Him also addressed Yeshua as 'Rabbi' (John 3:2), as did a crowd of people (John 6:25). A Samaritan woman easily recognized He was a Jew (John 4:9).

Yeshua self-identified as a Jew (John 4:22) and as King of the Jews (Mk. 15:2). From His birth to His last Passover seder (Luke 22:14-15), Jesus lived as a Jew.

When Yeshua was taken prisoner by a Roman captain, his cohort, and some Jewish officials (John 18:12), He was delivered into the custody of the Jewish priests, elders, and scribes (Mk. 14:53). The Roman soldiers would not have placed Him under Jewish jurisdiction if He were not Jewish.

Later, Yeshua was brought before the Sanhedrin, the Jewish council (Luke 22:66). He was charged with an offense against Jewish Law (Matt. 26:65-66, Lev. 24:13-14, John 19:7). Pilate, head of the Roman occupation, also recognized Jewish jurisdiction over Yeshua (John 18:31). This was because Yeshua was a Jew (John 18:35).

But, no . . . He was not a Jew. Riiiight.



However, the point here is this: the very first time the word "Jew" is found in the modern Bible, they are at war with Israel.


You are perverting the history to your liking.

Israel, as a whole was not at war with Jews. The house of Israel (northern kingdom) and the house of Judah (southern kingdom).

After the death of King Solomon, who succeeded his father King David, Solomon's son Rehoboam became king of all of the Tribes Of Israel, the the children of Jacob. Solomon's Kingdom had been magnificent, but that required tremendous quantities of money and labor. The people under Solomon were heavily burdened.

The result was a split of the united kingdom of the 12 tribes of Israel (the Levites were distributed among all of the others) into 2 kingdoms - the 10 tribes of "Israel" under King Jeroboam with their capital up in Samaria, and the tribes of Judah and Benjamin forming the kingdom of "Judah" under King Rehoboam at Jerusalem. From that time on, Israel and Judah were two completely separate and independent kingdoms. While they were sometimes allied when faced with a common enemy, there were other times when wars were fought between them.


The 1933 edition of The Oxford English Dictionary is helpful in this respect and lists the first published usage of the word "Jew."

which referred to Judaeans, the residents of the Babylonian province of Judaea, and not as a reference to members of the tribe of Judah.


The word Judean is from the name of the region, Judea. The name Judea is a Greek and Roman adaptation of the name "Judah", which originally encompassed the territory of the Israelite tribe of that name and later of the ancient Kingdom of Judah.


they are not the true biblical Covenant People


False. Anyone who follows the Torah is art of the covenant. It is in the Torah. Read it.


until "Shiloh," came who would then assume headship and receive the allegiance of true spiritual Israel as Isaiah 9:6-7 foretold. That is, when the Messiah arrived.


No, the Messiah would bring the two houses back together. The scepter would stay with Judah (which it has) until the two houses come back together.


In the modern, colloquial idiom "Jews" are descendants of Judah while in the Bible it means anyone dwelling in Judaea regardless of lineage or ethnicity.


Yes, because they lived in Judea.

Your point?


Numerous copies of these revised 18th century English editions ( especially the Rheims (Douai) and the King James translations of the New Testament) were distributed to the clergy and the laity throughout the English speaking world. And so, the new readers of these 18th century editions were introduced to a new word both to them and the English language, the word "Jew." For, these readers did not know the history of the origin of the English word "Jew" and accepted it as the legitimate modern form of the ancient Greek "Ioudaios" and the Latin "Iudaeus." Thus, these new readers did not understand or care to question the meaning and use of the word "Jew" since it was a new English word to them. Consequently, the use of the word "Jew" was not only stabilised by these 18th century editions but also its anachronistic application to people and places fully established.


What you are trying to pull off is called word games. Akin to tomayto/tomahto.

Judah-Judea-Judean-Jew.

A simple study of REAL and PROVEABLE history would show you this. But you are blinded by your own desires.




Jesus was not a Jew and therefore he was not a Judaean.


Wait, I though anyone living in Judea was a Judean. That is what you said: --in the Bible it means anyone dwelling in Judaea regardless of lineage or ethnicity--

Furthermore, he was of the tribe of Judah as shown by prophecy and by his own lineage.

So He was technically a Jew even doubly so.


Moreover, Jews are not the Tribe of Judah. Correctly, members of the Tribe of Judah are Judahites. That is, Judahites are of the Bloodline of Judah.


Again, tomayto/tomahto.

Times change, and words change with time. All Judahites were Judean, while not all Judeans were Judahites.

Would you say that we can't call Rick Perry an American because he is Texan? Same deal. All Texans are



Consequently, Jesus was not a "Jew," he was, correctly, a Judahite ("Yhuwdiy") of the Bloodline of Judah, a direct decedent of King David and an Israelite living in Galilee and so was a Galilean.


Who lived in the land of Judah/Judea and followed the national religion which was known by then as the name of the people that practiced it.


"Jew" is a nationalistic word not a racial word and means someone living in Judaea.


No # sherlock. You just contradicted your whole spiel.


The southern part of ancient Palestine coming after the Kingdom of Judah and a Roman province at the Time of Christ.


Again, no. You fail in history.

In 586 BC, Judah was conquered by the Babylonians and Jerusalem and the First Temple destroyed. Most of the surviving Jews, and much of the other local population, were deported to Babylonia.

After the Persian Empire was established, the region became part of the Eber-Nari satrapy or District number V (corresponding the regions of (Syria, Phoenicia, Palestine and Cyprus) according to Herodotus and Arrian, which included three administrative areas: Phoenicia, Judah and Samaria, and the Arabian tribes.

According to the bible and implications from the Cyrus Cylinder, Jews were allowed to return to what their holy books had termed the Land of Israel, and having been granted some autonomy by the Persian administration, it was during this period that the Second Temple in Jerusalem was built.

The Persian Empire fell to Greek forces of the Macedonian general Alexander the Great. After his death, with the absence of heirs, his conquests were divided amongst his generals, while the region of the Jews ("Judah" or Judea as it became known) was first part of the Ptolemaic dynasty and then part of the Seleucid Empire.

An independent Jewish kingdom under the Hasmonean Dynasty existed from 140–37 BC

After approximately a century of independence disputes between the Hasmonean rivals Aristobulus and Hyrcanus led to control of the kingdom by the Roman army of Pompey. The territory then became first a Roman client kingdom under Hyrcanus and then, in 70 AD, a Roman Province administered by the governor of Syria.

In 132AD, the Emperor Hadrian joined the province of Judea (which already included Samaria) together with Galilee to form a new province. He changed the name of the province from Iudaea to Syria Palaestina, to complete the disassociation with Judaea.

I would also like to note

--Palestine (Greek: Παλαιστίνη, Palaistinē; Latin: Palaestina; Hebrew: ארץ־ישראל Eretz-Yisra'el, formerly also פלשׂתינה, Palestina; Arabic: فلسطين‎ Filasṭīn, Falasṭīn, Filisṭīn) was a conventional name, among others, used between 450 BC and 1948 AD to describe the geographic region between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River, and various adjoining lands. Other terms for the same area include Canaan, Zion, the Land of Israel, Syria Palaestina, Southern Syria, Jund Filastin, Outremer, the Holy Land and the Southern Levant.

Edit: By the way. I would not be so enthused about sources that use The Protocols of the Elders of Zion as a source. It is a known fraud. Follow the link (by the way . . . the whole Khazar thing has been debunked NUMEROUS times here on ATS, and around the world. The only ones who spout that stuff are the crazies who live life in extreme prejudice.)

Hey look! I found all this stuff on Stormfront!
It is the sort of crackpotism that inspired jack-booted Nazis to burn a continent and slaughter millions of people. You think all this is new? I can find the crap on any of a dozen neo-nazi and other hate sites. Why do I find the same stuff in the Nazi propaganda films and books and articles from the 1920’s, 30’s and 40’s?.

Enjoy your delusions, I guess.
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