Court: Dad can paste daughter's face on porn photo

reply to post by gabby2011


My point was prevention. I do not disagree with you, but I think you're mistaking what I'm trying to say (or I'm not saying it right).

I would NEVER leave my 13 year old daughter unattended with a man that I couldn't stand to be around for 12 years. Hell if we want to get into personal bias, I wouldn't leave my 13 year old daughter unattended with anyone I didn't know, especially if she was "developed".

For the record I don't have any daughters, but, I never left my 13 year old son with his father either.

Sadly, I'm also aware that most crimes are committed against you ARE by people you do know, think you know well, etc etc - but I also think for the 13 year old girl's sake, in this particular story, it could have all been prevented with just a little common sense.

reply to post by OptimusSubprime


Don't be sorry for the rant..i totally understood and agree with what you said.

Originally posted by tncryptogal
reply to post by Maslo

 

If you read the article it went on to say he asked his 13 year old to pose and strip down to her underwearI. He also gave her drugs. I think it probably went further than that. She just might have been high and not remembered it. The mother encouraged the girl to have a relationship with her father after being estranged 12 years. I think he saw it as an opportunity for an easy victim. He was obviously grooming her for something else. Why else would any parent in their right mind give drugs to a teenager?

He's sick and I hope the time he spent in prison taught him a lesson on what it feels like to be victimized. Maybe he'll remember the sore bottom associated with bad behavior and not do anything more.

I agree with it that this man should be prosecuted, for the crimes you mentioned. I also agree that he may be prosecuted under some paragraph for placing his daughters photo on a porn picture - maybe for disgracing her etc.. I just dont agree that this deed alone should qualify him as pedophile - it may be a crime, but under different paragraph than posessing child pornography.

reply to post by Forevever

I would NEVER leave my 13 year old daughter unattended with a man that I couldn't stand to be around for 12 years. Hell if we want to get into personal bias, I wouldn't leave my 13 year old daughter unattended with anyone I didn't know, especially if she was "developed".

??? are you assuming she couldn't stand him for 12 years ....or did you read it? Without really knowing the back story as to why it came about that she was living with her dad. She could very well have been a mother using her last resort .I still think its very very sad that you would even try and blame the mother for this.

Blame the mothers who get told about abuse,and sweep it under the table instead, and try to blame the child for it.
Also.If I understand you correctly..when you say the woman was wrong for trusting him around her 13 year old..and you wouldn't trust anyone around your developing child...does this mean if something did happen to your child, or another child by being in the company of someone who would and did molest your child...that you .or any other parent would be guilty of it happening?

I get that we need to protect our children,but I also get that single mothers can come to some very difficult choices for a child that doesn't want to listen, or for a child ,they perhaps can no longer afford to house and feed.

Also..many children that age get abused by adults that seem trustworthy..youth leaders in churches..coaches...teachers. How are we supposed to protect our children from this ever happening to them, unless we keep them at home all the time, and shut them off entirely from society.

What kind of lives do you think pornography comes out of? Super happy, stress free, zero molestation/rape sorts of lives???? You ALL look at porn, and those people/images come from destructive places. Do you think this guy is the FIRST to do something like this? Do you think he would be the first guy to post pornographic pics like this? I'm sure most of you use the internet for porn...and most of you HAVE gratified yourself to similar images. It makes money and you buy it.


I do agree with others on the matter of the ACTUAL molestation....but above acts go on ALL the time.

Originally posted by badw0lf
Oh a hard one, no real crime, but the intent of the father is one that elicits reactions of utter bloody bashings.

He's no less a deviant, just has not broken the law..

Yes he has, they are merely changing his sentence. His drug charges, charges of giving said illegal drugs to a minor, will stick at least, and I bet his daughter does not go around him anymore, seeing how he is a pedophile who got high and then made her strip down for pictures... Which is also illegal, he just got lucky that they could not find the pictures.

Was what he did morally wrong? Certainly, I don't think many people would argue against that. The question is whether or not it was legally wrong. When we allow moral sensibilities to take precedence over the rule of law, things can begin to get a little murky, and we may be welcoming thought policing.

Also, from a strictly logical point of view, I don't really know why there is a difference of judgment between 'simulated child pornography' and what could be called 'simulated murder'. Aren't child abuse and murder both horrific crimes that need to be punished? So why is there such a wide rift between perception of simulated child pornography and graphic violence in media? Of course, subjectively I think simulated child porn is much more repulsive than a graphically violent video game, as I imagine most people would. I just think it's an interesting observation of modern law and societal norms.

Originally posted by jetflock
What kind of lives do you think pornography comes out of? Super happy, stress free, zero molestation/rape sorts of lives???? You ALL look at porn, and those people/images come from destructive places. Do you think this guy is the FIRST to do something like this? Do you think he would be the first guy to post pornographic pics like this? I'm sure most of you use the internet for porn...and most of you HAVE gratified yourself to similar images. It makes money and you buy it.

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ok..so you're justifying this crap?? and no..I don't buy the crap,and never will.

Do you realize that serious torture ,and snuff films make a great deal of money as well.. so I guess if some like it and spend money on it it's ok that it happens?

Remember that philosophy if you ever get abducted, and put in a huge dark hole, and someone is filming you cause..well..darn it..there are people who will happily pay big bucks to watch some poor dude in a hole suffer till his last dying breath.

Although I find this very disturbing, I have not seen this mentioned yet.

(I am under the impression that he has had no relationship with his daughter prior to this)

GSA-Genetic Sexual Attraction

Wasn't a mother in the US charged recently for having sex with her son? (He was given up for adoption). GSA came up in that discussion.

reply to post by gabby2011


No, I don't agree with it at all, but alot of the porn being watched on the internet comes from a dark place, and it will never stop because it will always be supported. The same people against it WILL download it and use it. Its a sick world.

Originally posted by awareness10
No NO NO.. There is NOTHING NORMAL about a 40 yr old man fantasizing about a CHILD in a sexual manor.

Sorry but what on earth are you talking about?

Some 13 year olds are fully developed and look 23 and are beautiful... of course it's normal for a 40 year old to find such a person attractive and maybe even fantasize about her... "oh noz i didn't know she was that young that makes my attraction gross!"

Nonsense.

Originally posted by jetflock
reply to post by gabby2011

 

No, I don't agree with it at all, but alot of the porn being watched on the internet comes from a dark place, and it will never stop because it will always be supported. The same people against it WILL download it and use it. Its a sick world.

ok...I get what you mean..sorry I misconstrued what you were saying..

Originally posted by Exuberant1

Originally posted by badw0lf

gah, heres where we need wankers like jeffrey dahmer... grrr

That doesn't make sense.

What do you mean?

FYI, Dahmer was a serial killer who targeted innocent people and did horrible things to them. He was never 'needed'.

Allow me: It's quite simple: A so called "father" who would pervert his child in such a manner does not deserve to live among society; Dahmer eating this freak would act as a "needed" predator to keep nature in "balance".Thinning out the bad genes in the herd...

Originally posted by gabby2011
reply to post by Forevever

 

I would NEVER leave my 13 year old daughter unattended with a man that I couldn't stand to be around for 12 years. Hell if we want to get into personal bias, I wouldn't leave my 13 year old daughter unattended with anyone I didn't know, especially if she was "developed".

??? are you assuming she couldn't stand him for 12 years ....or did you read it? Without really knowing the back story as to why it came about that she was living with her dad. She could very well have been a mother using her last resort .I still think its very very sad that you would even try and blame the mother for this.

Blame the mothers who get told about abuse,and sweep it under the table instead, and try to blame the child for it.
Also.If I understand you correctly..when you say the woman was wrong for trusting him around her 13 year old..and you wouldn't trust anyone around your developing child...does this mean if something did happen to your child, or another child by being in the company of someone who would and did molest your child...that you .or any other parent would be guilty of it happening?

I get that we need to protect our children,but I also get that single mothers can come to some very difficult choices for a child that doesn't want to listen, or for a child ,they perhaps can no longer afford to house and feed.

Also..many children that age get abused by adults that seem trustworthy..youth leaders in churches..coaches...teachers. How are we supposed to protect our children from this ever happening to them, unless we keep them at home all the time, and shut them off entirely from society.

edit on 9-6-2011 by gabby2011 because: (no reason given)

Why else would she be estranged? Cause it was a cool experiment?

I do blame mothers who know about and allow it go on, I have first hand experience of that as well.

If I put my child into the hands of someone I didn't know and something happened to her, yes I'd totally blame myself. In fact if this current mother we speak of isn't blaming herself, just proves my point that there's more wrong with this picture than we're seeing.

I'm glad you agree we should protect our children, as for bad parenting or on the "benefit of the doubt" side of inability to properly parent (due to economy or whatnot), thats an entirely different topic. If its relevant here, did mom insist on the relationship beteween father and daughter cause she needed money? I didn't see anything in the article about that - and again - I don't trust my kids father - he didn't get left with him - but I get my child support! (which brings me to another point, why didn't he fight for visitation in those 12 years, probably same reason my kids dad didn't - he just doesn't care)

Your last paragraph just reiterates what I said - Sadly I know that most crimes are committed against you by people you know and think you know well and trust.

The fact that this child was choosing to do drugs, in my opinion, is what brings the mother into question. If my kids came home on drugs I would totally blame myself. Now that they're almost adults, if they came home on drugs, I'd blame them - but at 13, it would've been my fault for not being there, for not instructing, whatever.

In my mind, peer pressure is the biggest cop-out for bad parenting that I've ever heard. NO peer in my life has ever been able to talk me into doing something I didn't want to do - and frankly, my parental influences weren't that great.

Originally posted by boondock-saint

Originally posted by The_Phantom
I'm pretty sure the law in the Old Testament was against desiring family members.

Plus, Matthew 5:28 says, "But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart."

So according to the Bible, he committed adultery with his daughter. You might want to rethink using the Bible to defend his actions.

absolutely correct.

but they were not trying him in God's court
under God's law.

they were trying him under man made law.

which by the way I read the Bible.

he did not break a man made law
but he did break God's law

If photos were made of your face on someone else's body doing something you would find abhorrent and put out in cyberspace for anyone now and in your forever future to see, would you feel the law should step in? I don't know if he shared these phantasy of porn with his little girl or not but forever they would be there in her world if he did. Should it not fit under some defamation law?

reply to post by Partygirl


I bet he's done more to the girl than just Photoshop her face onto photos..I mean who does that and doesn't full-fill the fantasy of actually doing it? I say they should question the poor girl and see if they can get any more info out of her.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
its a bs argument and no matter how much -people like you- try to humiliate anyone standing up for the rights, I will simply not back down.

I'm not attempting to humiliate you by any means. I'm seriously looking at you with concern because of your viewpoint. That my friend is my opinion and I"m entitled to it.

You can twist absolutely anything into a moral arguement..

Case in point is when you tried to turn it around to say that I must have a sick mind because I keep saying you do. You're guilty of exactly what you accuse me of.

show me a victim or stfu.

There is a very clear victim in this case and that is this man's daughter. She was subjected to abuses beyond most childrens nightmares. Even barring any of the other charges/accusations, she was a victim the moment this incestual pedophile had his initial thoughts. She is further victimized in physicality if she is to ever find these photos.

stop asking for the state and country to be a parent for you

I'm not asking the state and/or country to be a parent. It's simply my belief that this should be a crime. There was intent and action. In my eyes this is a crime and always will be. Whether our law recognizes as such or not.

I am genuinely interested in peoples behavior..sort of a hobby of mine, but being in tune, or understanding, is not condoning.

It feels to me like you're showing this man empathy. You continue to go on about how "fantasy" should be protected. However, this man took his fantasy and put it to action. I say this is where discretion in the law should be maintained. (Again, this is only my personal opinion I'm arguing here.)

I make no apologies for using wisdom and perspective.

And noone will ask you for an apology when you do.

Originally posted by HardbeatAcolyte
When we allow moral sensibilities to take precedence over the rule of law, things can begin to get a little murky, and we may be welcoming thought policing.

Moral sensibilities are the basis for many a law, arent they? So Im not sure why so many draw such a firm line between them.

What his guy has done may well end up illegal if the moral sensibilities of enough people are inflamed.

And in simulated murder on TV, there is no actual victim.

While this is "simulated child porn" there is someone who actually is a victim of it. The 13 year old girl.

I think if people started making videos of childrens faces photoshopped onto bodies of people actually being snuffed, it would likely raise some ire too.

I'm sure if this was investigated and the daughter questioned, it will turn out her "father" knows her intimately, in a biblical manner.

Originally posted by Maslo
reply to post by Partygirl

 

How can the court system let this go unpunished?

And what crime did he commit? It is not actual child pornography, and being perverted is not a crime.

You're right.. it's also legal to post and download 3d animated scenes of sex with children apparently, I saw something about that in the news a year or so ago ..

The law is pretty clear on that.. Child porn is images that show a child engaged in sexual activity, or even in a sexually suggestive pose while nude. ( don't quote me on that, I don't remember how it goes to a tee ) .. so by him taking a photo of his daughter who was probably clothed and unharmed.. and pasting it on an legal adult's body .. there's no crime there.

But as someone stated earlier, his intentions are clear and I think probably enough to justify requiring at least a psych evaluation and perhaps a visit from child protective services to make sure nothing else is going on.