Court: Dad can paste daughter's face on porn photo

I personally think this is a prime example of what I think of as "could/should".

Just because you "can" do something, doesn't necessarily mean you "should" do something.

Sure, it's perfectly legal for him to make those pictures and have whatever thought crosses his mind. But, I think we can all agree that morally, his actions are questionable at best.

Here's a good rule of thumb. If the act you're about to do seems like it could even remotely become a topic on Maury (or whatever trash talk show you can think of), it's probably not a good idea. So, correct your behavior and move on. LOL

Originally posted by gabby2011
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You seem to be saying,that we are over reacting because , this plus even worse, is just common place in other countries??

Clearly, no one who has actually been reading my posts in this thread would think that is what I am saying AT ALL.

Maybe read the longer posts too, and not just the ones that are two or three lines long, and which are a direct response to ONE persons post.

Most of the people in this thread don't even understand what this is really about. It isn't about what is right or wrong in our minds in regards to who should have sex or think about having sex with who.

This is ONLY about was this considered pornography. Not a moral debate about whether the guy is sick or disgusting or a peodophile. You think some of the people are saying this guy is a hero or a cool guy, but they are only discussing the legality of the case not the morality of it.

I know it is a wasted try but had to put it out there.

reply to post by sputniksteve


Clearly, you have not read the whole thread.

We have discussed that aspect of it. We have moved on to other aspects of the event.

If you limit the whole thread to discussion of whether or not is was legal, the thread was over at the OP. It wasnt illegal. Discussion over. So are discussing if it SHOULD be illegal, if its immoral even if its not illegal, etc, etc.

Originally posted by Forevever

Originally posted by gabby2011
reply to post by Forevever

 

It was obviously her mom who helped her get out of the situation..

I also questioned that point earlier too - how did mom find out? did she find a picture this girl did willingly and the girl started crying?

You know at 13 I was smart enough to admit to doing something wrong in the same sentence as denying something else - people just automatically assume you're telling a full truth when you include something detrimental to yourself

I'm really playing a lot of devils advocate here but I don't understand why no one is even considering this girls part in the whole thing when she admittedly wanted the drugs. Her part wouldnt excuse his part, but is she getting help? is she going to do this to another man? I KNOW serial teenagers who go after older men - and at least one is in jail for it - she needs help - she's not getting it - men beware!!!!!!

And again I ask if this guy was so demented, why did he paste the picture on a fully mature woman? his daughter you say? NOT TO HIM - he didn't know her for nearly her entire life

Seems to me she did tell her mom he wanted to take pictures of her naked??..which lead police to find the photos she was perhaps very unaware of.

Seems really sad to me, that you would be putting this child into the category that she instigated this, and the father is some innocent who got taken advantage of. As far as a man going to jail for knowingly having sex with a minor? well he is the adult, he can say NO.

You really seem to be hard on this gal..and it sounds like she was a teenager , maybe going through drug problems, and her mom went to send her to live with her dad. When she does tell her mom about the abuse , thankfully the mom dealt with it,. To have strangers jump all over , like she is perhaps the criminal, only serves to show other young girls who reach out for help, that they will be scrutinized and labelled as tramps, and asking for it.

Is that what you want to accomplish by your rather harsh judgement of her?

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
reply to post by sputniksteve

 

Clearly, you have not read the whole thread.

We have discussed that aspect of it. We have moved on to other aspects of the event.

If you limit the whole thread to discussion of whether or not is was legal, the thread was over at the OP. It wasnt illegal. Discussion over. So are discussing if it SHOULD be illegal, if its immoral even if its not illegal, etc, etc.

edit on 9-6-2011 by Illusionsaregrander because: (no reason given)

And I would say clearly you have read the thread from 1 point of view and not another. Most people did not want to discuss that aspect of it, they just wanted to call names and tell others how immoral they are.

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
reply to post by OptimusSubprime

 

Now, now. I dont think thats fair at all. Im quite sure that religion has very little to do with whether or not someone finds children, including their own children, sexually exciting.

Im not sure what the actual variable is, but I really, really doubt its religion vs atheism.

On the extreme end of both philosophies is where you find it. On the extreme end of Atheism, you have no guiding morals or principles, and when one has no morals or principals, one is capable of not only imagining, but carrying out deplorable acts.

On the extreme side of religion one has taken a vow of celibacy, in the name of God, with the intent of walking the higher road. These people try and pretend that they aren't human, with human wants and desires, thinking that God will give them the strength to fight the urges. Normal and natural urges, when left unchecked or unfulfilled lead some to commit deplorable acts and then blame it on the devil or whatever, and then cop out and fall back on God's forgiveness as the cure.

Fortunately, the vast majority of people, Atheist or not, reside somewhere in the middle.

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander

Originally posted by gabby2011
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You seem to be saying,that we are over reacting because , this plus even worse, is just common place in other countries??

Clearly, no one who has actually been reading my posts in this thread would think that is what I am saying AT ALL.

Maybe read the longer posts too, and not just the ones that are two or three lines long, and which are a direct response to ONE persons post.

That's a cheap shot....and quite frankly, from the get go..and yes..I have read all your posts..you have seemed to be defending this guys actions.

Now..you're using false personal attacks ,as a defense to what you wrote?

c'mon..take some responsibility ..so tell me then....WHAT DID YOU EXACTLY MEAN ..by the previous post I quoted from you. An explanation would serve better than an insult.

Originally posted by badw0lf

Originally posted by Exuberant1

Originally posted by badw0lf

gah, heres where we need wankers like jeffrey dahmer... grrr

That doesn't make sense.

What do you mean?

FYI, Dahmer was a serial killer who targeted innocent people and did horrible things to them. He was never 'needed'.

Yeah I know, that was a bit off colour..

Well a lot..

BUt this father is showing signs that he's both not worthy of being a father, nor of having a life imo.

Might be harsh, but this scum is NOT a father.

Key phrase... IMO

See that's the thing... the fact that in your opinion he is not worthy of having a life puts you exactly in the same boat as him.

You are now equals....

Originally posted by badw0lf
Oh a hard one, no real crime, but the intent of the father is one that elicits reactions of utter bloody bashings.

He's no less a deviant, just has not broken the law..

THE WORST SORT.

gah, heres where we need wankers like jeffrey dahmer... grrr

I think you mean The Boondock Saints

reply to post by OptimusSubprime

On the extreme side of religion one has taken a vow of celibacy, in the name of God, with the intent of walking the higher road. These people try and pretend that they aren't human, with human wants and desires, thinking that God will give them the strength to fight the urges. Normal and natural urges, when left unchecked or unfulfilled lead some to commit deplorable acts and then blame it on the devil or whatever, and then cop out and fall back on God's forgiveness as the cure.

I guess what I'm saying is that many might take the vow of chastity, and celibacy , without the intent of ever walking that road.

This doesn't explain those, who have had a very active sexual life from a young age, (even if it was masturbation)
and have never repressed themselves sexually , go out later in life and commit many sexual crimes and offenses.

reply to post by gabby2011


You are clearly lying if you claim my posts are in any way a defense of the guys actions.

Edit to add,

And its not a "cheap shot" if its true. Its just the truth.

Originally posted by gabby2011
Seems to me she did tell her mom he wanted to take pictures of her naked??..which lead police to find the photos she was perhaps very unaware of.

Seems really sad to me, that you would be putting this child into the category that she instigated this, and the father is some innocent who got taken advantage of. As far as a man going to jail for knowingly having sex with a minor? well he is the adult, he can say NO.

You really seem to be hard on this gal..and it sounds like she was a teenager , maybe going through drug problems, and her mom went to send her to live with her dad. When she does tell her mom about the abuse , thankfully the mom dealt with it,. To have strangers jump all over , like she is perhaps the criminal, only serves to show other young girls who reach out for help, that they will be scrutinized and labelled as tramps, and asking for it.

Is that what you want to accomplish by your rather harsh judgement of her?

No, I said his actions would not be excused by hers - I was just trying to point out that neither the mother or the daughter are as innocent as everyone is trying to make them out to be.

There's a reason you're estranged from someone for 12 years - you do not send your pubescent daughter to hang out with him without extensively looking into what he's been up to - at the very least the visitation could have been supervised. There is also a reason why the daughter is taking drugs, why is no one questioning that? She admitted to it, and admitted that she was doing them prior to his presense.

We also weren't discussing the criminality of his or her actions - as was said earlier - in the eyes of the law, pasting a picture onto a naked "adult" woman is not a crime. Should it be? I don't think so - the resources alone wouldn't be justified for what MIGHT (and likely will not) come of that behavior.

Do I think she was asking for it? nope - do I think she was asking for drugs? yes - Do I think girls of 13 have the ability to mislead adult men? - ABSOLUTELY - Does that excuse the adult male from the action of touching or anything else he MIGHT physically have done to her later? ABSOLUTELY NOT

But he didn't do anything to her physically either, its more speculation.

screw the law, this is just wrong. How did he get caught hmmmm?

just strange i think this one falls on the daughter now and family to take this daughter into a more safe enviroment and make sure she will be ok till she can watch herself.

As far as the goverment i think they should stay out of this 1

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
reply to post by gabby2011

 

You are clearly lying if you claim my posts are in any way a defense of the guys actions.

Edit to add,

And its not a "cheap shot" if its true. Its just the truth.

edit on 9-6-2011 by Illusionsaregrander because: (no reason given)

Not lying..just had you mixed up with someone else.

You still haven't explained what you were trying to say with the post about there being far worse that happens in other countries,and nobody thinks anything of it?

Could you clear that up for me please?

reply to post by Forevever



All I'm saying, is that you seem to be throwing arrows at the two who tried to stop the situation from going any further. So what if she took drugs..thats only one point of this story .

You seem to want to make them appear not innocent??..for what purpose..so that children ,and adults who are trying to help children will only feel that their lives will be turned upside down because of it.

Pretty safe to say that both the mother and daughter aren't perfect...because quite frankly none of us are. Does that mean we should put up with crimes being committed against us, because of blackmail and such?

Attitudes like that, just stop children from speaking out, and scare parents into not really helping their children when they need to.

Originally posted by gabby2011
reply to post by OptimusSubprime

 

On the extreme side of religion one has taken a vow of celibacy, in the name of God, with the intent of walking the higher road. These people try and pretend that they aren't human, with human wants and desires, thinking that God will give them the strength to fight the urges. Normal and natural urges, when left unchecked or unfulfilled lead some to commit deplorable acts and then blame it on the devil or whatever, and then cop out and fall back on God's forgiveness as the cure.

I guess what I'm saying is that many might take the vow of chastity, and celibacy , without the intent of ever walking that road.

This doesn't explain those, who have had a very active sexual life from a young age, (even if it was masturbation)
and have never repressed themselves sexually , go out later in life and commit many sexual crimes and offenses.

Some people are just sick, or maybe they are "wired wrong". In today's society, we as a whole are always searching for some rational reason as to why people do these types of things. "His Dad didn't hug him enough", "His Mom was a drug addict" whatever, I think it just comes down to some people are not meant to live in society with the rest of us... and I include the Dad from the OP in that. I'm just sick of our politically correct, nanny state, progressive, pseudo-intellectual society making excuses for these types of people. (sorry for the rant)

What? He didn't do anything wrong. It just looks like he was trying to make some homemade porn and possibly make an adult website- because- everyone is a pervert and people really would have given him money for his porn. you can't sit here and watch him for that.

Of COURSE Boondock is not seeing anything wrong here.

Why am I not surprised?

reply to post by Forevever

There's a reason you're estranged from someone for 12 years - you do not send your pubescent daughter to hang out with him without extensively looking into what he's been up to - at the very least the visitation could have been supervised. There is also a reason why the daughter is taking drugs, why is no one questioning that? She admitted to it, and admitted that she was doing them prior to his presense.

As a single parent ..things can get pretty tough..even with two ..it can get out of control.

How is a parent who is trying to perhaps save her daughter from bad peer influence , supposed to know that the natural father had tendencies such as this..good grief it takes mothers still in the relationship with the father awhile to figure out something is not quite right , and often they find out only because at some point because the child is brave enough, or angry enough to talk.

I will say once again.you're putting the blame on the wrong people.