China admits to dumping chemtrails for weather modification. What do they look like??

Originally posted by gift0fpr0phecy
Sorry OP, but I have to call foul on that image.... That is NOT a cloud seeder... that is a stunt plane with a smoke trail for wow factor.

You're right that it's not cloud seeding, but you're wrong that it's "a smoke trail for wow factor."

Turns out that it's a stock image that's been used in several cloud-seeding articles since real photos of dumping chemicals to seed clouds are apparently hard to find. Others have claimed that it's water being dumped for firefighting efforts, but my point, which you are helping to illustrate here, is that you can't tell what is being dumped in the air just by looking at it.

All the people who pretend to know what a plane is dumping, just by looking at the white "clouds" it leaves behind, are full of it.

Originally posted by StealthKix
Then winter rolls around and Winter 2008/9

Also controversial: the widespread belief in Beijing that the government bears some responsibility for at least one of the big storms. And this is not just a crazy conspiracy theory either. The capital has a bureau actually called the Beijing Weather Modification Office. This organization gained a fame of sorts for their efforts to control precipitation during the 2008 Beijing Olympics.

Beijing Snow Storms SPur Angry Debate

Consequences on playing "god" ?

Thanks for posting. This is exactly what dumping any chemicals into our air at all, for weather modification, let alone anything else, is extremely controversial. China and Russia do these things openly and admit it, but in the US, how often do you hear of this sort of thing on the news when you're getting your weather?


Here's another example of a goof by the Russians:

Last Tuesday, seemingly out of nowhere, a huge lump of cement hurtling from the sky crashed through a suburban Moscow home, creating a large hole. But what was the cause? Why, it was the Russian Air force attempting to change the weather of course!

Yes, the relatively common practice of cloud seeding ended in an unfortunate yet hilarious example of how sometimes we shouldn't mess with the weather. The Russians have been using cloud seeding as a way to prevent rainy weather during important national holidays. On June 12th, the Russian Air Force sent up 12 planes carrying silver iodide, liquid nitrogen and cement powder to seed clouds above Moscow and empty the skies of moisture.

"A pack of cement used in creating ... good weather in the capital region ... failed to pulverize completely at high altitude and fell on the roof of a house, making a hole about 80-100 cm (2.5-3 ft)," police in Naro-Fominsk told agency RIA-Novosti. Weather specialists said this is the first time in 20 years that this has occurred. The homeowner was not injured, but their pride was. They refused a $2,100 offer from the Air Force to fix the damage, but the home owner declined and stated she would sue for damages and compensation of moral suffering instead.

www.environmentalgraffiti.com...


The fact that you don't even hear about this kind of stuff in America bodes ill to me. The only reason corporate media would not be reporting this kind of stuff, is that they don't want to draw attention to it. The only reason I can think of that they would not want to draw attention to it, is because they fear the public reaction. And the only reason they would fear the public reaction, is because whatever they are doing, would piss the public off.

Originally posted by seraphnb
I think a title about chemtrailing is a bit extreme for a thread about cloud seeding.
Please change the title.
SeraphNB

This has been addressed numerous times in the thread, but there is no clear distinction between cloud seeding and chemtrails. Chemtrails = chemical trails. Cloud seeding = spraying chemicals into the air.

There have been articles posted showing cloud-seeding being referred to as "chemtrails," referenced by the Wikipedia article on chemtrails which also states that one alleged motive from the conspiratorial angle is weather modification, and cloud-seeding is a blatant form of weather modification involving spraying chemicals into the air. If anything, crying that "cloud-seeding isn't chemtrails" is just the easiest way to excuse yourself from an issue that otherwise you would have absolutely no way to debunk.

Originally posted by bsbray11
[This has been addressed numerous times in the thread, but there is no clear distinction between cloud seeding and chemtrails. Chemtrails = chemical trails. Cloud seeding = spraying chemicals into the air.

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You are full of bravo sierra.

there is a perfectly clear distinction - you just don't want to admit being wrong.

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Shhh. Don't tell anyone. Here's a secret report about the cloud seeding in Texas.
www.license.state.tx.us...

Shhh. More secret stuff.
southtexasweathermodification.com...

Oh Oh. Secret controversy
www.connectamarillo.com...

Shhhhh.

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Just because ATS addicts like you and me spend time on the internet digging this stuff up, does not equate to it being widespread knowledge in the US, let alone ever being brought up in weather forecasts.

Sorry Phage.

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I admire your tenacity in insisting that your simple question be answered, which of course has the prerequisite of being understood. Seems pretty clear to me though: "Can you tell just by looking at a white line from an aircraft what the composition or purpose of the line is?" The answer so far seems to be "no", even from the most ardent "debunkers" who have an almost Pavlovian reaction to the mere mention of the word "chemtrail". I've also noted with much amusement that many believe a theoretical possibility is the same as a fact proved by laboratory analysis; e.g. a very regular on/off "dash" line can be explained by peaks and troughs of atmospheric conditions (which apparently are really, really uniform for many miles), so that must be the only explanation.

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There are a lot of things which are not widespread knowledge. That usually just means people aren't very interested.
I don't think people in New York really care about cloud seeding in Texas, unless they drop a bag of cement. But they don't use cement in Texas.

Originally posted by Phage
There are a lot of things which are not widespread knowledge.

Yes, and many of them are called "conspiracies," especially when the knowledge itself is controversial and tends to anger the public when Joe Schmoe finds out about these things going on behind his back.

So there is nothing the debunkers can debunk about this but still they try???? Maybe they're just simple, can't admit defeat, or they know the weather modifications are bad for our environment and trying to change their own minds? It's ok, we know. We've known all this time no matter how many ways you've tried to debunk it. You can't deny this, so why not save your energy on debunking stuff with no evidence. But funny thing is we know why you have to try and debunk this....... Anybody want to take a guess?

Thanks for posting. This is exactly what dumping any chemicals into our air at all, for weather modification, let alone anything else, is extremely controversial. China and Russia do these things openly and admit it, but in the US, how often do you hear of this sort of thing on the news when you're getting your weather? The fact that you don't even hear about this kind of stuff in America bodes ill to me. The only reason corporate media would not be reporting this kind of stuff, is that they don't want to draw attention to it. The only reason I can think of that they would not want to draw attention to it, is because they fear the public reaction. And the only reason they would fear the public reaction, is because whatever they are doing, would piss the public off.

Originally posted by Phage
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Shhh. Don't tell anyone. Here's a secret report about the cloud seeding in Texas.
www.license.state.tx.us...

Shhh. More secret stuff.
southtexasweathermodification.com...

Oh Oh. Secret controversy
www.connectamarillo.com...

Shhhhh.

edit on 5/30/2011 by Phage because: (no reason given)

Phage -

you know why, I expected better. Address the valid rational points being argued or be quiet but DON'T add to the petty attitude driven comments designed to offend - it get no one anywhere fast.

-Bob

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
You are full of bravo sierra.

there is a perfectly clear distinction - you just don't want to admit being wrong.

There is no clear distinction between spraying chemicals into the air for weather modification, and chemical trails in the air (chemtrails). This should be pretty freaking obvious from the words alone.

The only one who doesn't want to admit they are wrong is you, and this is why you insist that cloud-seeding is not a form of chemtrails. Because you can't debunk that cloud-seeding exists. Maybe some years ago, but not now. You're too late and I don't want to hear your excuses anymore.

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So are you claiming that clandestine cloud seeding is occurring all over North America? You were talking about cloud seeding weren't you, and complaining that we don't hear about it on the MSM.

Originally posted by Phage
So are you claiming that clandestine cloud seeding is occurring all over North America?

Great, now you're putting words in my mouth too.

This must be a bad night for you, isn't it Phage?

reply to post by bsbray11

Except that the spraying of chemicals bears no physical resemblance to contrails.
You have not provide a single example showing that it does.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by bsbray11

 

So are you claiming that clandestine cloud seeding is occurring all over North America? You were talking about cloud seeding weren't you, and complaining that we don't hear about it on the MSM.

you're still doing it phage & I'm still waiting for you to grow up. He is suggesting that cloud seeding is potentially dangerous to the health of living organisms via the interaction of chemicals with said life and that as such the seeders of clouds have vested interest in keeping that quiet.



-Bob

reply to post by bsbray11

No. I was just asking for clarification.
Your connection with publicizing cloud seeding with other stuff made your point sort of fuzzy.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by bsbray11

 

No. I was just asking for clarification.
Your connection with publicizing cloud seeding with other stuff made your point sort of fuzzy.

He is suggesting that cloud seeding is potentially dangerous to the health of living organisms via the interaction of chemicals with said life and that as such the seeders of clouds have vested interest in keeping that quiet.

-Bob

P.S) just my interpretation but it IS the obvious conclusion to all non-biased parties.

reply to post by bsbray11


Phage hit it right on the head,

Just because you find 3 little articles doesn't mean its widespread news. Who knows about it?

I think you watched and studied "thank you for smoking"

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I think you are confusing who is saying what.

And no, I have not seen that movie/documentary.