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Birthers: We Were Right. The BC is a FRAUD!!! Obama Lovers: Debunk THIS!

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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 01:37 AM
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Originally posted by darrman
reply to post by TiM3LoRd
 


not knowing what YOU don’t know is tragic.

i know what i dont know,, and I care, to find out,,
so i can help to change it..

not by force,, but by conviction!!

not by rising up,, but by Speaking out..

clear and strong

the reality must be dealt with..


and history must be made clean of obfuscation ..


The thing is i don't care. You assume much in regards to what I do and don't know.

What I do know is this thread will change nothing but allow you people to vent about something you know you will never do anything about what your shouting about. Which is why your shouting.

Look whatever congregate On here figure it all out and go change the world or not. It doesn't make a difference to me. It's your life and your time. You can wate it how you wish.

Have a nice day.




posted on May, 18 2011 @ 01:44 AM
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This is great. Americans, use this and everything else to prevent this man from being reelected. He is working together with the wall street gangster to bring down the us. He is the deceiver of all deceivers.

The fed must go down together with the irs. If these institutions go then things might be turned for the better.

“If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them, will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.” - Thomas Jefferson

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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 01:47 AM
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What I do know is this thread will change nothing but allow you people to vent about something you know you will never do anything about what your shouting about. Which is why your shouting.

Look whatever congregate On here figure it all out and go change the world or not. It doesn't make a difference to me. It's your life and your time. You can wate it how you wish.


First: off this thread will change things because we are taking action and are talking about the issue. Gets people thinking.

Second: we feel obliged about exposing the Fraud because it is almost ignorant to not discuss the issues and ramifications of such; we should question such things especially when he takes so long to reveal his actual BC.

Thridly: If we try to take action we would be thrown in prison probably or tortured in an prison like manning and/or many other people who have gone missing because of the patriot act actually allows the U.S to detain anybody without warrants and reason.
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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 01:49 AM
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i feel happy that you don't need convincing..

,, you just want to incite action..

great..

so while we act in verbal and written manors ..

sit down and get out of the way......

its ok --tim lord 3 .. the big boys will fight this one for you.......



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 01:52 AM
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I hope it's not too late to turn the tide




posted on May, 18 2011 @ 02:12 AM
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god, i don't even care about this thread, but reading through it, i don't think i've ever read anything as annoying as your blatant refusal to actually read the information being referred to in this thread yet constant insistence on trying to provoke everyone in the thread about it.

go



home



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 02:21 AM
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Originally posted by JiggyPotamus
The certificate is a FORGERY.


Says who? The "experts" on ATS? As far as I can see it, the only people with the authorization and credentials to verify the birth certificates authenticity are Hawaiian health officials. They verified it by the way:
hawaii.gov...

Now obviously you'd be of the opinion that the Hawaiian government (and federal authorities) are in on this conspiracy, and if that's the case, there is no way your mind will be changed.


If you don't let your emotions cloud your judgment, I urge you to do a bit of research, including following the OP's link, and then following the links from there to Youtube.


Research you say?

Coming from a blog and a couple of youtube videos made by self proclaimed "experts" right? This is the research we should just do all the work reading over, and we should ignore statements from health federal authorities? This here:
obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com...

How can you expect us to take you seriously if this is what you have to show us?


If you did not get a chance to download the certificate from the White House website before they switched it with a much lower resolution version, you can easily find the original through Google. If you do not wish to analyze


This issue has been dealt with numerous times on this website. Why you repeat the same garbage is beyond me. What's more, we have people trying to pass their judgements on an image of a birth certificate over whether it's a forgery or not. Are you serious?

What's the problem?

Really, what's the real issue?

Obama voted to continue to patriot act, and you're still hung over this birther nonsense.


Either trust me when I say it is fake, or go look for yourself.


You'd have me believe:

The white house is in on this conspiracy.
Obama's parent's are in on this conspiracy.
The federal government is in on this conspiracy.
The Clinton campaign with all their DC connections is in on this conspiracy.
The Hawaiian health department is in on this conpsiracy.
The McCain Campaign is in on this conspiracy.
The Republican party is in on this conspiracy.
This is a 40 year old conspiracy.

and the only people I should trust are:
The same folks on this website who hold numerous other conspiracies about Obama.
The same people who been very vocal over their dislike for Obama.
Some blogs.
And some youtube videos.

This is your case, and I should take you serious. I find this insulting as an ATSer. We can do much much better than this. I wonder if this birther conspiracy is meant to dumb down this website from real issues we should concerned about?



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 02:23 AM
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Again with the birther thing? Give it a rest absolute non issue.
Some actual good threads get burried by all this nonsense.
You have a black president! Deal with it!

It's a shame ats is getting invaded by the mindless masses.
Humbug,
OnlyLove.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 02:27 AM
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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 02:31 AM
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You people are still talking about this?? What a waste of time.. your doing exactly what TPTB want you to.... debating something that doesn't matter and something you can never do anything about.

The Supreme Court won't waste its time hearing this nonsense.. so what now??



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 02:39 AM
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Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, yes they signed off on Obama's official eligibility for the Democratic nomination. The rest are just not aware, don't realize how important the issue is, don't realize how dangerous the man is, or have been bought off, or blackmailed a la Bohemian Eyes Wide Shut parties, or have skeletons and won't talk. Or they are in collusion via DSA membership,or quite simply fellow CFR.
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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 02:41 AM
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Originally posted by OnlyLove
Again with the birther thing? Give it a rest absolute non issue.
Some actual good threads get burried by all this nonsense.
You have a black president! Deal with it!

It's a shame ats is getting invaded by the mindless masses.
Humbug,
OnlyLove.


and yet you have mindlessly accepted the liberal bias spin on this as an issue about race. Oh dear NOT the RACE card again..... when will you libs stop with the race cards.


In fact that's really why it works so well. The Soros machine and the Democratic Party knew that guilty white liberal intellectuals would fall all over themselves supporting him and all that "he's so articulate' Kind of blubbering. Maybe he's not as articulate when off the teleprompter and without Axelrod, Ayers, and Jarrett telling him what to say and do.
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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 02:44 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Southern Guardian
 


Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, yes they signed off on Obama's official eligibility for the Democratic nomination. The rest are just not aware,


Really? The Hawaiian government who confirmed both the long and short form birth certificates are not aware? You're saying Clinton is clueless? Obama's parents were clueless as well?
Oh goodness, the mother was totally clueless about having him in Kenya right? McCain is clueless about the issue? You doubt the Republican resourcefullness and connections in DC? The CIA and FBI is clueless?

Everybody else is clueless but Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, this a Democratic top leadership conspiracy?? This makes sense to you? This makes logical sense to you?
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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 02:49 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Oh dear NOT the RACE card again.....


What seems to be the problem? Race is a factor in the birther conspiracy. You don't like to admit it, that's ok. These day's it ain't popular being a racist, so I understand. I really do. Continue on.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 02:50 AM
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I am a real American



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 02:51 AM
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Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Southern Guardian
 


Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, yes they signed off on Obama's official eligibility for the Democratic nomination. The rest are just not aware,


Really? The Hawaiian government who confirmed both the long and short form birth certificates are not aware? You're saying Clinton is clueless? Obama's parents were clueless as well?
Oh goodness, the mother was totally clueless about having him in Kenya right? McCain is clueless about the issue? You doubt the Republican resourcefullness and connections in DC? The CIA and FBI is clueless?

Everybody else is clueless but Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, this a Democratic top leadership conspiracy?? This makes sense to you? This makes logical sense to you?
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Well I was talking about Congress. Nancy and Reid are both members of Democratic Socialists of America, as are Maxine Watters, Bernie Sanders and a slew of others in Congress. And yes Nancy personally verified his eligibility as a candidate. I'm inclined to think she doesn't care if he is NBC because she and her fellow travelers trash the Constitution anyway. And either you don't know about this agenda or you agree with it.

Oh yes, and Obama's mom is dead right? And so is granny now. oh and the other granny, didn't she say she saw him being birthed in Kenya? mOmbasa she said.

McCain is another story. One can only imagine why he didn't challenge Obama on this issue. Also there were several in Congress who tried to change the eligibility law I believe in 06, I guess they foresaw the NBC being an issue in the upcoming election. I believe Diane Feinstein was one of the sponsors of that bill but it failed. One can only imagine why they tried to change the law at this time. Let's not be naive about it shall we?
Clinton? Well Phil Berg Esq is a Hillary supporter, a DEMOCRAT, and the very first to file a lawsuit on the NBC issue of Barry. It was PUMAS who were first into this as they still wanted Hills to win the nomination. In fact I was suspicious of him for that reason and still am.
Here is Pelosi's siggy on the certification of nomination, so either she lied or she is clueless?
www.wnd.com...

I will leave it to the imagination as to what the CIA and FBI know about any of this.
As to the Repubs, in true form, all the candidates but Ron Paul were CFR. As you may guess, I haven't been happy at all with the Repub party lately. McCain was not my favorite Repub. The RNC let him be the frontrunner. It was as if Obama was the choice of the NWO and they let him win. It was time to swing it to the Left Hegelians for a while to take the pressure off.
Even now I am of the opinion it won't matter a whole lot who wins. Even if Paul wins, who knows, I mean look what they did to Reagan when he didn't co-operate...
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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 02:58 AM
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Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Oh dear NOT the RACE card again.....


What seems to be the problem? Race is a factor in the birther conspiracy. You don't like to admit it, that's ok. These day's it ain't popular being a racist, so I understand. I really do. Continue on.


Are there really people that still judge someone from the colour of their skin?
And how must I connect the BC issue with skin colour? And why, if people do it combine the two?

For me its very simple. Obama has not shown, what makes his place in office legit. And what he has shown is adding to the suspicious that he is not American born citizen. I do not understand where to colour of his skin is from any influence in this matter.
From my memory I never saw a racist against Obama in this age of time, only when people throw doubt about his legitimacy they say ohw he is is black.
I really do not understand, why Race is being forcefully mixed in this BC issue. Come on people it has no place at all.

Obama is an fraud, deal with him accordantly



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 03:00 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by OnlyLove
Again with the birther thing? Give it a rest absolute non issue.
Some actual good threads get burried by all this nonsense.
You have a black president! Deal with it!

It's a shame ats is getting invaded by the mindless masses.
Humbug,
OnlyLove.


and yet you have mindlessly accepted the liberal bias spin on this as an issue about race. Oh dear NOT the RACE card again..... when will you libs stop with the race cards.


In fact that's really why it works so well. The Soros machine and the Democratic Party knew that guilty white liberal intellectuals would fall all over themselves supporting him and all that "he's so articulate' Kind of blubbering. Maybe he's not as articulate when off the teleprompter and without Axelrod, Ayers, and Jarrett telling him what to say and do.
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Ah please c'mon, you believe what you want to believe but the fact is that if he was white and his name was "Bill Rogers" nobody would ever care about this.
This whole birther thing just to divert attention away from bigger issues. And it's working, look at you all hyped of because of his birthplace.
In case you didn't notice there is a nuclear disaster going on wich will affect the whole world, not just your precious USA.
Ow and there killing people in Syria because of free will. I know, people dying for what they believe in isn't important.
Please go ahead keep putting your time into this, you will soon see that it was al in vain.

OnlyLove.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 03:06 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Sure they are aware. Nancy is not clueless, she is part of the Socialist coup. She and Reid are both members of Democratic Socialists of America, as are Maxine Watters, Bernie Sanders and a slew of others in Congress.


So now we are moving goal posts. It's not just Harry reid and Pelosi, it's the Democratic party (well most of them), everybody else is just so innocent of the issue (including Hawaiian authorities who verified his long form birth certificate and of course his parents.)

ok.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 03:16 AM
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Originally posted by TribeOfManyColours
Are there really people that still judge someone from the colour of their skin?
And how must I connect the BC issue with skin colour? And why, if people do it combine the two?


It's simple. Show me any other president that presented his long form birthcertificate officially, and you'll have a point. The black man needs to show more evidence, that's it. You don't have to say it like it is because it will make you unpopular, that's fine. You can go on insisting to us it's not the case, you'll convince a bunch of others here with the same agenda, that's fine too. I made my point, you got it, the other member got it. Are all birthers racist? No, some are clearly deluded (like Manning), but racism is major fuel. Play it down for what it is, you are more than welcome.


For me its very simple. Obama has not shown, what makes his place in office legit.


He's shown a short form birth certificate, this isn't enough.
He's shown a long form birth certificate, this isn't enough.
Hawaiian authorities have on numerous occasions verified his birth in Hawaii, this isn't enough.

What will change your mind? Nothing really. You have an agenda, you know what it is, you will not be satisfied until Obama leaves office. Don't try and convince with what Obama has not "shown" to you, clearly you are not interested in him showing anything.


I do not understand where to colour of his skin is from any influence in this matter.


I am pritty darn sure you understand clearly. If you are of the opinion that racism is not a motivation, that's your opinion, no need to convince me, quiet frankly I'm not buying it. I'm just throwing out the race card right? That's fine.
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