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Birthers: We Were Right. The BC is a FRAUD!!! Obama Lovers: Debunk THIS!

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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 11:59 PM
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yup you sure can ,but do you think if the goverment was totally in league with hiding his birth they would let there plans get foiled....nope.

And if you dont believe me ask JFK....




posted on May, 19 2011 @ 12:11 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
You also cannot know my feelings.


There are many birthers who dislike Obama over the basis of race and they make a good effort of hiding it behind the birther conspiracy. The same goes for folks with partisan political agendas. Deny what he presented, pretend the elections of 2008 were not valid, and by doing you feed your personal issues with Obama. The birther conspirac is a good substitute for racists, partisans, and the religious.

I trust you know deep your real personal issues about Obama. You ain't doing anything convincing me otherwise of what you already know.


Honestly, the BC issue is secondary to the real issue of him being a Marxist fabian socialist.


A marxist and a socialist. What a double edged sword you presented us there. Though I don't seperate partisans from people with racial tendancies automatically. They can be in the same, and they can be different.


That's my real opinion and I would say exactly the same thing about hillary. I am most consistent on this subject.


Why is Obama a socialist? Refresh my memory.


And as a final statement related to your last post on Presidents having to produce documents, I am interested to know just how much you have looked into who has demanded proof of eligibility by whom. I have a feeling that someone on DailyKos or MediaMatters said it so now you are saying it. For the record, Chester Arthur also has had his eligibilty questioned,


Chester Arthur never produced anything, not a birth certificate, not any formal documentation, and he grew up a mere 60 miles from the Canadian border. Chester Arthur was also questioned by know partisan Democrats at the time. The difference between Arthur and Obama? Obama presented two state verified documents.

Where are those 43 birth certificates from other presidents? Where have you ever questioned other presidents in the same manner?


Ms Pelosi signed off on Barry's nomination,


I'm suppose to take you seriously when you refer to the current president as Barry? This is how you debate? Resorting to different names?


she is directly responsible for her part in knowing if he was legit or not.


She is, under the constitution. Obama was never required to present either birth certificate document as the eligibility of the president is specifically left up to congress and the electoral college. You don't seem to appreciate the constitution and its guidelines apparently.

Where are those 43 long form birth certificates? Come back to me will ya?



posted on May, 19 2011 @ 12:22 AM
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It looks like it is possible forgery..But that still does not mean He was not born in Hawaii.It could be they added stuff to it which would be forgery.



posted on May, 19 2011 @ 12:23 AM
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Also to add.Social Secuity is socialism and is going bankrupt.Which is exactly why socialism is never affordable.



posted on May, 19 2011 @ 01:14 AM
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Racism has barely anything to do with this. I think most people on this website are above racism minus a few anit-muslim pro-military soldiers that pop up now and again. Personally i dont give a rats ass whether his birth certificate is legit or not. But stop labeling people as racist for being suspicious. You don't know how people personally feel about races so don't act like you do.



posted on May, 19 2011 @ 01:39 AM
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Its hard to tell what is fueling the bc issue. Probably some of it is racism but not all. But he is black so he has to have been born in africa. Right?

If any of the info is true about the bc being fake how come no one really cares. The people who still dont believe obama wa born in hawaii will never believe even if the truth hits them on the head.



posted on May, 19 2011 @ 01:46 AM
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Originally posted by relocator
I really wish someone would read and respond to the article written by The Post and Email at www.thepostemail.com...

Susan Daniels goes into details that I have not seen here on ATS.


Good find!. I heard Cashill on BlogTalk radio, as well as Stephen Pidgeon, Leo Donofrio, and Mario Apuzzo, all attorneys bringing lawsuits against Barry. It is easy to see the Ayers/fake ss# connection, the book ghostwriting scenario, and also the FactChect/Annenberg association. Also a friend of mine has done a lot of research on the child of two of the Weatherman Underground people, whom Ayers and Dorhn raised while the parents have been in jail. The name of that child is Chesa Boudin.

Ayers and Dohrn also raised Chesa Boudin after his natural parents, Kathy Boudin and David Gilbert, were sentenced to lengthy prison sentences for their roles in the 1981 Brinks murders, a joint Weatherman and Black Liberation Army operation which resulted in the killing of two police officers and an armed guard.


Ayers himself is involved with Venezuela and also went to Egypt and with Code Pink's Jodie Evans stirred up trouble there.

Today Ayers sits on the board of the Miranda International Center, a Venezuelan government think tank dedicated to bringing Cuba-style education to Venezuelan schools. Ayers is a great admirer of Venezuela's Marxist President, Hugo Chavez.

www.discoverthenetworks.org...

about Ayers

A now long-forgotten book entitled Prairie Fire: The Politics of Revolutionary Anti-Imperialism, which was written and published in 1974 by William Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn and other members of the Weather Underground. In this slim volume, which functioned as the Weather Underground's ideological manifesto, Ayers declares himself to be a communist, and announces that his group's bombing campaign was intended to start a violent revolution to overthrow the American government.

www.theobamafile.com...

According to research, Barry was an intern at the law office where Michelle was, and also incidentally where Bernadine Dorhn worked. To pretend that none of this matters is what is allowing this anti-American corruption to continue to bring down our great country. When we start looking deeper into this mess, the cries of racism just don't cut it. These people are all outright communist.



posted on May, 19 2011 @ 01:48 AM
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Originally posted by shyster55
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Its hard to tell what is fueling the bc issue. Probably some of it is racism but not all. But he is black so he has to have been born in africa. Right?

If any of the info is true about the bc being fake how come no one really cares. The people who still dont believe obama wa born in hawaii will never believe even if the truth hits them on the head.




It is people like you who ignore completely or do not care about the communist affilitations of both Barry and Michelle. Please see my above post. It is obviously you who cannot see truth even as it is now hitting you over the head.






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posted on May, 19 2011 @ 01:49 AM
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What does any of that have to do with the birth certificate? Before you rant off with some defensive retort, I am actually asking you since you brought it up in this thread. All this stuff about people Obama knew as an adult. Let's say it proves he is some super Marxist. What does it have to do with the birth certificate? Why would you want to confuse the issue? Are you secretly trying to be a distraction for Obama? Keep in mind that these are questions.



posted on May, 19 2011 @ 01:50 AM
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OK I'll refute it. It's bunk.

Claim #1. Baseline Parallax abstraction. The word MALE does indeed drop. Because it is a capital letter, only the front leg of the font drops. Looking at the red line that the author has added, you can see that the ascii font can be counted 3 pixel lines lower from the second leg of the M when you take into account that the second leg of the M should be 2 pixels lower in the base letter.
The same can be said of the second incident of parallax deformation. And the difference can't be measured as a perfect 3 pixel base because these come from a physical print that was scanned. Each line could be up to 10 pixels different thanks to the rolling reem wheels or rubber wheels from the printer/typewriter that kicked out the original document. While reliable, these machines were not high precision laser printers or even high tech color jets on millimeter precise rolling bodies.


Claim #2. Letter Halo proves photoshop. Well, that's just stupid, BUT to make sure. Here is what Adobe has to say.
Adobe Tutorial for removing Halo issues in scanning documents

Now crazy as it may sound, I am of the impression, that the Halo's on the LFBC are consistent with a lowly trained government servant quickly re-scanning a document without taking a half an hour to run through every single setting available to ensure the absolute highest quality image.
Again, moderately paid public clerk being asked to scan a document. NOT the senior document curator at the smithsonian.

Claim #3. Binary and Grey Scale: Again. Just stupid. This author is suggesting that someone went through the trouble to forge individual letters inside individual words to NO BENEFIT. You would forge entire words, or sections that would change the meaning of a group of letters.
What this person is claiming is that they know the physical typewriter characters original form, and can tell that certain letters have been changed. This is crap. Aside from not knowing the type of machine, keys could have been replaced on that machine because they wear out. Types arms got replaced regularly for vowels because the stamp head of the vowels would wear unevenly and become smudgey or unreadable.
In this specific case the author is pointing to the letters H I and A and L. Uhm....lemme get this right. Looking at a scan of a document from a type writer used in HAwAII the author is certain that forgery is the only answer when 3 letters that would get typed optimistically 1000's of times more than the other keys do to the spelling of the state, look a little smudgey. Yes...An expert indeed. Bunk.
Lets go one more for his special line on the name BARACK in which the the single R does look to be binary instead of grayscale. Answer: OCR Optical Character Recognition Conversion when the document was converted to PDF. If it was a blobbed ink stamp, PDF could have auto filled the letter. That is much more probable than some giant conspiracy to inject a single R into the name???
What is the possible letter that was there before that was so damning and proves that the president isn't an American??? S, J, P, N???? What word spelled B-A __A-C-K could have been there instead that is proof that this man is from Africa??? It's his damn name. Idiot.
And even if there are multiple boxes throughout the document that appear to have digital typeface instead of black and white scan transfer, again, Adobe PDF can take liberty at conversion to change individual characters to insure documents are not missing whole letters.

Claim #4. I can't comment "expertly" on the sequential number issue of the dates other than to say that my own sons birth certificate says that he was born on "His Birthday and time", and the date of acceptance is 11 days later. KNow why, that's when the damn paperwork got filed. This happens all the damn time. My own birth certificate was not registered until 2 weeks after I was born because my parents hadn't settled on my first name so they took the birth certificate with them, and brought it back to the hospital when they decided on my first name and signed it with the name, at that time. Again, Idiot. Paperwork is not instantly registered right NOW anymore than it was 50 years ago.


Claim #5. It is a RUBBER STAMP you moron. The stamp pad or stamper itself was not perfect in it's application of ink. If anything what is even better is that there is solid, but differential enough symmetry in the stamped numbers between box 20 and 22 to imply strongly that the same stamper was used. It is a rubber stamp and stamp pad that probably got thousands of uses, and got left open to the air repeatedly. Again, he is just making up stuff. Pointing to things which are actually VERY consistent, and stating that there is an inconsistency. Physical technology IS inconsistent within reason. It is consistent within constraints.

Claim #6. This is the same claim that has been debunked and sorted at least 5 times here on ATS. The multiple layers on the PDF line up precisely if you consider 2 documents being held together and laid on a scanner bed at the same time. Short form was behind long form, the light from the scanner captured binary data from the second sheet. This has been covered to death. But this guy brings it up yet again.


So no matter what. If I could use a scanning tunneling electron microscope and prove that each atom and molecule of that document is authentic, birthers will not believe it.

Because they don't want to believe it. They have a new religion called "He Aint American". And that is all they need to know.
They are proud of their ignorance, and apparently, they are proud to be lead around by the nose by people who think they are ignorant and want to use that to their own advantage.

In short, if you know a birther personally, sell them farming rights on Mars, sell them a magnetic fuel stabilizer for their car, sell them magnet bracelets to cure their arthritis, and acai berry juice to cure their cancer. Sell them whatever snake oil and imaginary bridge you can find. Because they will probably buy it.

Because they WANT to be taken advantage of, and at this point honestly, they deserve it.



posted on May, 19 2011 @ 01:52 AM
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Originally posted by Runaway1977
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
 

What does any of that have to do with the birth certificate? Before you rant off with some defensive retort, I am actually asking you since you brought it up in this thread. All this stuff about people Obama knew as an adult. Let's say it proves he is some super Marxist. What does it have to do with the birth certificate? Why would you want to confuse the issue? Are you secretly trying to be a distraction for Obama? Keep in mind that these are questions.


It has everything to do with opposition to him as POTUS of this great nation. Instead people like you are filling up the Internet with putrid nonsense about how people are just racist. If you do not understand what is at stake now with it being in your face, you never will.
Not only is he a Super Marxist, he is in league with other Super Marxists. This is why I have brought up his connections to Ayers. If you check out those sites, you will see the shady dealings and the scummy people who have helped him along the way. And yes, it does matter, and yes these people around him are helping him. It looks like Ayers may have taught him how to lift SS#'s from that link on Daniels that I was replying to another posters message. If you really want to know what drives birthers, there is your answer. If you choose not to see the reality there is no more I can do. If you insist on going on with the ridiculous Alinkyite tactic of DailyKos and Huffpo then do what you will. Just carry on. And please, I am not into "distractions". It gets really silly to come to a place like this and just get called a "shill", a "distractor", a "partisan", and gee I'd love to get paid by the post, but I don't sorry to disappoint. This is not a game sir/madame, this is our Liberty and our Freedom at stake and no less.
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posted on May, 19 2011 @ 01:56 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
It has everything to do with opposition to him as POTUS of this great nation. Instead people like you are filling up the Internet with putrid nonsense about how people are just racist. If you do not understand what is at stake now with it being in your face, you never will.


So nothing then? Your answer is it has nothing to do with the birth certificate?
Thank you.
Some crack researcher you are. I never called anyone racist even once. Thank you for exposing yourself. All I am after is the level of sincerity in people. I got yours now.

All that editing and you could not manage to add something related to the birth certificate? Why are you trying so hard to distract from the birth certificate? You know that even a SSN is not a birth certificate. I know why.
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posted on May, 19 2011 @ 02:06 AM
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Originally posted by Runaway1977

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
It has everything to do with opposition to him as POTUS of this great nation. Instead people like you are filling up the Internet with putrid nonsense about how people are just racist. If you do not understand what is at stake now with it being in your face, you never will.


So nothing then? Your answer is it has nothing to do with the birth certificate?
Thank you.
Some crack researcher you are. I never called anyone racist even once. Thank you for exposing yourself. All I am after is the level of sincerity in people. I got yours now.

All that editing and you could not manage to add something related to the birth certificate? Why are you trying so hard to distract from the birth certificate? You know that even a SSN is not a birth certificate. I know why.
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Have you not been listening? Taking a swipe at my editing is not an excuse for really reading the content of my post which is pretty self-explanatory. My concern ONLY is for this country. What we are seeing here is just the tip of the iceberg. How can you be on this website and not know that? I am interested only in exposing subversion wherever it is. Without knowing the background of all this communist Marxist stuff, it is impossible to perceive how important it is that we do not let a Marxist sympathizer turn us into a Third World non-entity. He seeks nothing less than ruining our Superpower status and reducing us to rubble so that every other country can have Socialist "equality". Listen to everything he says, and you will know that what I say is true.
Let those who have an ear to hear....



posted on May, 19 2011 @ 02:09 AM
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I simply asked what all that stuff had to do with the topic. You had no answer. A deliberate attempt to distract from the topic from either side is still a deliberate attempt to distract from the topic. No one that Obama met and spent time with as an adult has anything to do with the birth certificate unless you are actually the second person on ATS to tell me you believe that time travel was involved. Please say it is the latter.



posted on May, 19 2011 @ 02:11 AM
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Originally posted by Runaway1977

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
It has everything to do with opposition to him as POTUS of this great nation. Instead people like you are filling up the Internet with putrid nonsense about how people are just racist. If you do not understand what is at stake now with it being in your face, you never will.


So nothing then? Your answer is it has nothing to do with the birth certificate?
Thank you.
Some crack researcher you are. I never called anyone racist even once. Thank you for exposing yourself. All I am after is the level of sincerity in people. I got yours now.

All that editing and you could not manage to add something related to the birth certificate? Why are you trying so hard to distract from the birth certificate? You know that even a SSN is not a birth certificate. I know why.
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Yah you are probly right, it was several others who were beating the dead horse of the racist thing. I apologize for thinking you were in league with them.



posted on May, 19 2011 @ 02:22 AM
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Oeps

AAii!!

BC fraud.

In dept (Obama Citizenship: I Invented The Internet (Ep. 6: October Surprise)

Grandmother says Obama born in Kenya

Either he contradicts himself, or he speaks the truth again

Kenyan Ambassador admits Obama born in Kenya



posted on May, 19 2011 @ 02:23 AM
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Originally posted by Runaway1977
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I simply asked what all that stuff had to do with the topic. You had no answer. A deliberate attempt to distract from the topic from either side is still a deliberate attempt to distract from the topic. No one that Obama met and spent time with as an adult has anything to do with the birth certificate unless you are actually the second person on ATS to tell me you believe that time travel was involved. Please say it is the latter.


Time Travel? No, I don't know what you are talking about. But again, none of it is a distraction when people here are condemning birthers for their intent to find the truth. Isn't that what ATS is supposed to be about? Don't you want to know what the people at the top are doing, who they are doing it with, and what the purpose is? Don't you want to know why Barry spent over a million dollars fighting the courts on the BC issue, only to finally post this piece of garbage fakery? Even if some of it is based on a real document, they went way out of their way to present it differently. Don't you want to know what their real agenda is? Don't you want to know why Barry nominated for the Supreme Court the woman whose signature was on the docket of protecting him from having to expose his long form BC? Don't you want to know why Soros financed his campaign? Don't you want to know why Barry appointed Holdren who believes in mass medicating the water for involuntary sterilization of large populations? I also have posted YouTubes on the ex KGB defector Yuri Bezmenov, who really explains it in 1983, as soviet subversives who infiltrate various organizations, and are activists in everything from women's rights to environmentalism to prison leave, etc etc etc. It really makes sense when you pull it all together.
So, next time you and your friends ask a birther what their motive is, don't complain when you get the answer.
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posted on May, 19 2011 @ 02:25 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
So, next time you and your friends ask a birther what their motive is, don't complain when you get the answer.


About halfway through their Red Scare speech I will probably stop listening like I did with you. Preach to the choir then. I assumed that was less than helpful but so be it your wish. Ask the poster above you about time travel. He knows exactly what I am talking about.
Please enjoy confirming each other.



posted on May, 19 2011 @ 02:26 AM
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Originally posted by Runaway1977

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
So, next time you and your friends ask a birther what their motive is, don't complain when you get the answer.


About halfway through their Red Scare speech I will probably stop listening like I did with you. Preach to the choir then. I assumed that was less than helpful but so be it your wish. Ask the poster above you about time travel. He knows exactly what I am talking about.
Please enjoy confirming each other.


Well maybe you should start paying attention because those of us who care are waving the lamp across the river.



posted on May, 19 2011 @ 02:28 AM
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Originally posted by Runaway1977

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
So, next time you and your friends ask a birther what their motive is, don't complain when you get the answer.


About halfway through their Red Scare speech I will probably stop listening like I did with you. Preach to the choir then. I assumed that was less than helpful but so be it your wish. Ask the poster above you about time travel. He knows exactly what I am talking about.
Please enjoy confirming each other.


Again, what did the time travel thing have to do with me? I never spoke of it. I am not into that, although it makes great movies. Unless you mean quantum jumping. I haven't mastered the technique yet.




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