Birthers: We Were Right. The BC is a FRAUD!!! Obama Lovers: Debunk THIS!

Originally posted by Amaterasu
Nope. Not because there are differences. Because there are clear signs of forgery.

How on earth can you know it's a forgery?

Are you fimiliar with how birth certificates are printed, copied, released? Do you have the credentials to say it's a forgery? Do you work for the Hawaiian health department?

You know no more about the authenticity of this birth certificate than the rest of us. The only people that can verify it's authenticity or proclaim it as a forgery are Hawaiian health officials, in particular the director of the Hawaiian health department. The Hawaiian health department verified the authenticity of his birth certificate.

It is delusional to insist people take your word for it over Hawaiian officials who actually hold that authority and experience.

I have a piece of toast I bought off the interweb with Jesus' likeness on it ( got it cheap )

I don't know though.....the way the sugar is caramelized around the edges just doesn't look right. Some parts seem raised, others blurry. I've been downloading other pieces of toast with important, historical figures on them all week. Some look legit and others seem......off. Not sure if they are scans or pics or what.

Here's mine




Some other dude's( hope his isn't real....could de-value mine)





This one freaks me out





I guess this one could be Jesus with a haircut





Not quite seeing this one






Can someone who has taken a Photoshop course before, help me please?

Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
race card player..

Why do birthers continue to pull out the race card as if it means anything to the rest of us? Racism is a major drive for this conspiracy is still alive today. You can deny, you can make your own cards about it, that's fine. You know where you stand on the issue, you know how you personally feel about Obama. Convincing the rest of us will not change how you feel. No other president has presented their long form birth certificate in the history of this nation, Obama did, his still a black man.

We get it.

No, excuse me it's the Barry supporters who continually call up the race card. Show me exactly where birthers say that Barry is ineligible due to his race?

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
No, excuse me it's the Barry supporters who continually call up the race card.

He releases his short form, he's still black.
He releases his long form birth certificate, he's still black.
No other president releases their long form birth certificate, you automatically assume they were born here.

Again, why are you waving the "race card"? It means absolutely nothing to me. I'm trying to understand why feel I should care?

You say you're not a racist right? Who are you trying to convince? Come on now. You know how you feel. I have my opinions about how you feel. That's that.

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Lyin Waffler Indeed.........



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Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
No, excuse me it's the Barry supporters who continually call up the race card.

He releases his short form, he's still black.
He releases his long form birth certificate, he's still black.
No other president releases their long form birth certificate, you automatically assume they were born here.

Again, why are you waving the "race card"? It means absolutely nothing to me. I'm trying to understand why feel I should care?

You say you're not a racist right? Who are you trying to convince? Come on now. You know how you feel. I have my opinions about how you feel. That's that.

edit on 18-5-2011 by Southern Guardian because: (no reason given)

See you are just making this stuff up. You are saying things that birthers never say. again why is it YOU are waving the race card and have done so since 5 oclock this morning?
You are definitely not trying to understand anything here. You are making assumptions which are false, based on some need to call people racist.
It's like how liberals went after Newt on the Food Stamp comment, assuming that 1 of 6 people who is on food stamps is black....theres the racism right there. I would never have assumed that. It clearly means something to you because you were talking about race since early this morning on this very thread. Go back and look at your posts from this morning. Anyone go back and look at the first 11 pages of the thread and see who threw what around.
What I would like to know is if you just really believe that all birthers are by their opposition to Barry are necessarily racist or if you are knowingly making these false accusations because it suits your liberal agenda?????

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Pointless arguments at this point... Obama could produce an independently authenticated film, with footage of his actual birth in Hawaii, in full graphic glory and it would only launch an entire new string of conspiracy theories.



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Again.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
See you are just making this stuff up. You are saying things that birthers never say. again why is it YOU are waving the race card

I can't make up your feelings about Obama for you. You know how you feel about Obama. You have your personal feelings about him, I believe racism is a major fuel for the birther movement.

Obama presented his short form birth certificate, he's still not white. Fact.
Obama released his long form birth certificate, he's still not white. Fact.
No other president has officially presented their long form birth certificates to the public as verification of their birth right in this country. Fact.
There is no evident that You have questioned the previous presidents over their eligibility, despite none of them releasing their long form birth certificates, fact.

I can't change the way you feel. Facts are irrelevant to a person of your view. That is that. Continue to take out that race card as if it means something, racism is a driver for this conspiracy regardless. A card does not excuse it.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
See you are just making this stuff up. You are saying things that birthers never say. again why is it YOU are waving the race card

I can't make up your feelings about Obama for you. You know how you feel about Obama. You have your personal feelings about him, I believe racism is a major fuel for the birther movement.

Obama presented his short form birth certificate, he's still not white. Fact.
Obama released his long form birth certificate, he's still not white. Fact.
No other president has officially presented their long form birth certificates to the public as verification of their birth right in this country. Fact.
There is no evident that You have questioned the previous presidents over their eligibility, despite none of them releasing their long form birth certificates, fact.

I can't change the way you feel. Facts are irrelevant to a person of your view. That is that. Continue to take out that race card as if it means something, racism is a driver for this conspiracy regardless. A card does not excuse it.

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You also cannot know my feelings. Again you are making silly assumptions based on a false ideology. I don't even have to talk to you about this, because it is your mistake not mine.
Honestly, the BC issue is secondary to the real issue of him being a Marxist fabian socialist. That's my real opinion and I would say exactly the same thing about hillary. I am most consistent on this subject.
In fact, looking at your last post, you are just becoming incoherent about all this. I am not going to discuss it with you again.

And as a final statement related to your last post on Presidents having to produce documents, I am interested to know just how much you have looked into who has demanded proof of eligibility by whom. I have a feeling that someone on DailyKos or MediaMatters said it so now you are saying it. For the record, Chester Arthur also has had his eligibilty questioned, but generally only people who are law buffs and support Barry bring it up because they feel it helps Obama, then there's the McCain issue.
Ms Pelosi signed off on Barry's nomination, so she is directly responsible for her part in knowing if he was legit or not. But if you really want to back up your accusations, you should really check all the past Democratic and republican nominations to see who has challenged whom and on what basis, and when you get that data feel free to come back here and post your findings. Otherwise it's an unfounded accusation based on a non scientific generalization.

But CAN he be arrested for forgery? To my knowledge, no one has seen an actual paper and ink copy of this alleged birth certificate. And I, for one, won't hold my breath to see one produced (that could be subjected to TRUE document examination, carbon dating, etc). I'm not sure if forgery charges can be filed for computer generated images. If they can, there are millions of photo-shopped photos around the internet that could land someone in jail.

Also, if charges can be filed, who do we file them against? Obama for claiming it's real? The person that created it? The person that allegedly scanned it? I'm at a loss. Regardless... I think the evidence is obvious that the document is a fake, the attempt to bury the issue with the Bin Laden circus is transparent, and Obama's days of people blindly believing his lies and being distracted by his diversions are numbered.

He is the least transparent, least reputable, least experienced, least credible "president" America has ever seen. I don't care if he's eligible to be president or not. He's simply not qualified or deserving.

God help/bless me for having the time to go through posts and OP 'proof' document on this topic.

First:
The Expert who came up with the latest round of irrefutable proof.
"I have a unique background for analyzing this document. I owned a typesetting company for 11 years so I know type and form design very well. I currently own Archive Index Systems since 1993, which sells all types of document scanners worldwide and also developed document imaging software (TheRepository). I know how the scanners work. I have also sold other document imaging programs, such as Laser. Fiche, Liberty and Alchemy. I have sold and installed document imaging systems in city and county governments, "

This qualifies as unique expertise? To me he is simply a few levels removed from the kid at the local Kinkos. Did anyone bother to look at the company website he owns? Have you done even a rudimentary search of the rest of his CV?
Kindly don't resort to claiming I am making an ad hominem attack, he claims unique expertise, I say judge for yourself. To me he hardly qualifies as an expert of any sort (well maybe in scanner sales and installation).

As for the rest of the points therein, several things struck me.

There are rather large leaps from example to generality. I.E. if one instance is such and such, then all must be.

He is making very specific claims of minutia based on obvious copies from unknown primary sources using unknown methods. (For instance; Did Obama release a photocopy from paper? From microfiche? Retouched for security reasons etc? Unless he knows all the specifics his conjecture is hardly scientific.

Much time is spent on pixel height, look, feel etc. I certainly am no expert in the field but it looks like. IT WAS A FORM WITH THE SPECIFICS FILLED IN. Sorry for the all caps but this explains away good chunk of his arguments. Logically there exists a form and the person who fills it out fills facts specific to that birth. Given the aforementioned any comparison between the preprinted lines and the filled-in lines are utterly pointless.

The rest of his alleged facts have been explained away ad nauseum.

I have to apologize for this post....to myself, for getting pulled into this whole discussion. Nothing anyone provides will dissuade some specific birthers. Even a time machine taking them back to the actual moment of birth will be met with incredulity and claims of alternate reality, or how do we know thats the same Barack Obama?
Hopefully this helped those on the fence, probably not.
While I fully support denying ignorance I think it is about time the rest of us move on and let the birthers have this topic to themselves.

You guys should not have voted him into office in the first place.

Why hasn't anyone questioned his citizenship status before the elections?


The truth is that Americans regret every single president that they have voted into office since 1776.

This is so incredibly stupid.

I don't care how idiotic the Obama administration may or may not be. NO one who was savvy enough to become our President, no matter how dumb YOU think they are.. with the FBI, CIA, NSA and who knows what other agencies at their disposal.. would make such a pathetic fake certificate. If they wanted to fake a stupid birth certificate, you would.. NEVER.. EVER.. KNOW.

They could probably remove your identity, remove your family, steal your identity, and use it for whatever they wanted. And they can't forge a single piece of paper?

They supposedly masterminded the 9/11 tragedy.. many of you claim they managed to destroy multiple major buildings, and get away with it. But they can't.. forge a single document?! Are you effing kidding me?

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I would like to remind people that this entire 'birth certificate" fiasco was not started by Republicans/Conservatives-it was actually started by (gasp!) Hillary Clinton supporters........
And if there was "nothing to it" he could have done this 2 years ago and shut everybody up....
But it takes Donald Trump (really???) to get him to release it?
And then when people can see it's an obvious fraud-a few days later he suddenly is the "hero" for taking out out Osama? Gee, you don't think the Bin-Laden hit was a "calculated distraction " from the BC farce?

Really people! If his Birth certificate is a fake then the govt knows about it and is hiding it, and unfortunately there is not a god damn thing you can do about it, except whine of course that yet the US govt has commited yet another lie to the American people.

The best part of all this? It doesn't matter and birthers are irrelevant to the equation.

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Actually, if all the active members who beleived the certificate was a fake donated 34 dollars to a commercial fund. The "birthers" could buy a 30 second prime time commerical spot on any major network.

Originally posted by Skippy1138
I would like to remind people that this entire 'birth certificate" fiasco was not started by Republicans/Conservatives-it was actually started by (gasp!) Hillary Clinton supporters........
And if there was "nothing to it" he could have done this 2 years ago and shut everybody up....
But it takes Donald Trump (really???) to get him to release it?
And then when people can see it's an obvious fraud-a few days later he suddenly is the "hero" for taking out out Osama? Gee, you don't think the Bin-Laden hit was a "calculated distraction " from the BC farce?

Actually there is nothing to it, which is exactly why he didnt release anything 2 years ago. This entire birther movement has remained fringe because anyone with common sense knows it just isn't true. You believe his rivals wouldn't pounce on the opportunity to discredit him? Well, there's a reason they haven't...until Trump came along and made himself look stupid...which is exactly what Obama's more intelligent opposition knew to avoid.

"A MUST SEE!"

Ok, I saw it,
Still don't give a crap.