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Birthers: We Were Right. The BC is a FRAUD!!! Obama Lovers: Debunk THIS!

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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 07:34 PM
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Originally posted by Fractured.Facade

Originally posted by xavi1000

Originally posted by DONTBEIGNORANT
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Ignorant kid. it's sad how you people don't give a sh!t about this issue.
Shills with IP addresses in tel-aviv

Hahahahahhaa ip adress from Tel-aviv ? I wish man i wish -- So non-birthers are now zionists?


Zionists who support a black Muslim president, born in Kenya who is ironically unsupportive of the Zionist objectives in Israel. Such a twisted plot, it must be true.


We are also idiots who know nothing about layering in digital image compression.

Only a black president would be stupid enough to put out such an obvious fake, right?



I must admit, this has been one of the more entertaining threads on ATS in some time now.

Carry on...



Yah, it's really crazy, I haven't been able to figure this one out either, except that somehow zionists typically vote left Democrat. Who woulda thought. Even Joe Biden said you don't have to be Jewish to be Zionist. Just look at the crowd on The View, and there's your answer, paradoxical as it may seem.
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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 07:38 PM
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Originally posted by DONTBEIGNORANT
You youngsters are terrible at history.
One more thing- the framers of the constitution used vatel's law to define natural born citizen. Not only that, this viewpoint was supported under senate bill in which mccain's citizenship was questioned because he was born on a military base in Guam. But since mccain's parents are American born= natural born. Obama must have agreed because he co-sponsored the bill an signed it.


Sorry - no. Modern legal scholars say that it was Blackstone not Vattel who influenced the founding fathers the most. Want proof? Blackstone was a proponent of Jus Soli. Now "youngster" - go read Title 8 section 1401A of US Code and tell me where Jus Sanquinis fits in.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 07:38 PM
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Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
So, we have a statement from some guy, claiming he has all these attributes and saying it is fake...

Well, I have a triple doctorate in birthcertificateology and I say it is real.


OK guys, to further prove my point, you all need to know that this so called " expert" is a crack pot!

The affidavit was written by Doudlas B. Vogt. Yes, he calls himself a scanner expert, but for those who do not know, he is also an author.


So what. right? Wrong.

You should have a read at the " about the author" section on one of his books. Take this one for example...


Douglas Vogt is a geologist and science philosopher. He has funded and directed three expeditions to the Sinai desert where he was the first person since Baruch (Jeremiah’s grandson) to discover the real Mount Sinai. He discovered all the altars that Moses describes in the Torah. In addition he was the first person since Moses to see the real Abraham’s altar also located at Mount Sinai and not in Jerusalem. He has discovered the code systems used by Moses when writing the surface story of the Torah, which enabled him to decode the Torah and other earlier books of the Hebrew Scriptures.


A copy of his " about the author" info can be found here

Now interestingly enough they failed to mention his expertise as " cited" in this thread. But they did remember to throw in his amazing exploits, discovering the REAL Mount Sinai and the fact that he is the first person since Moses to see the REAL Abraham's Alter. Oh and we cannot forget to mention how he single-handedly discovered the code systems used by Moses himself when writing parts of the Torah...

Wow, he is just a regular renaissance man!

Now you may be interested to know that Mr. Vogt also hosted his so called "affidavit" on the same website as above.

Take a look


Which brings me back to the point of my previous post. Anyone in the world can come onto the internet and claim absolutely anything they like and there will be people who are gullible enough to believe them, even with out a single shred of evidence to back up their, rather out there claims.

So as you can see, your so called expert is either a crazy crackpot, or just a really bad liar....

OP, I am sure your intentions were pure, but with all due respect, what you just did was make the Birther movement, look just a bit sillier than before... Now those that bought this mans story, look just a bit more foolish. Now the Anti's will point to this thread and say, "See? Those Birthers will believe anything!"

What I am getting at, is always check your sources, make sure they are legit and reliable. Because anyone can claim anything they want on the internet.... This guy sure has claimed a lot...

Well, looks like my triple doctorate in birthcertificateology, has really come through for us all here. Now we can finally put this whole thing to rest right? The Birthers were wrong and that is okay. No shame in making mistakes.... Well, ready to move on?

Because it really is time to let it go... You were wrong... Move on now... It's getting painful to watch....



Just like that, painful to watch, yet I just can't look away until it's all over... well, it's over....

The Birth Certificate is real. Obama is the legit president of the United States.... Good day, Ladies and Gentlemen.
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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 07:39 PM
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NO NO NO.

Did you not see the disclaimer?

Besides, it's the same as a non birther being called a co-intel op or a disinfo agent.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 07:42 PM
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Originally posted by DONTBEIGNORANT

STEP DOWN NOW OBAMA.
Hawaii isn't even a legal state under the UN charter 73
wake up kid.


That's what this is all about here, isn't it really?

There is a segment of people who are either racially motivated, or otherwise afraid that Obama can't be defeated in a fair election in 2012, or that he may actually mount enough successes that he could actually win a reelection.

It's all rather pathetic now, but as I said, very entertaining.


I'd much rather live in a world where REAL issues are brought forward and based on merit used to debate the worthiness of our elected president... At the end, ultimately most presidents fail because they give in to the influences around them, corporate, lobbyists and others, and in many instances Obama has proven himself no different than his last two predecessors.

It's never too late, not even for Obama, if you want to defeat him, you all are going to have to move on to the real issues... There are plenty.

Or just continue with the daily entertainment here... Enjoy the show.


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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 07:43 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
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Originally posted by Amaterasu
So... I'm looking more at the differences between the two shown here:

www.scribd.com...


So, you're seeing a difference in the two BCs and assuming that because there is a difference, that Obama's is fake? Is that correct?


Nope. Not because there are differences. Because there are clear signs of forgery. I just happened to note that the section on the real BC with ages and signatures is all left aligned. As One would expect from a typewriter. The Obama one is filled in rather hodge-podge for a typewriter. As One might expect from a forgery.


It's clear to me that the person who typed Obama's certificate liked to center the text in the form box. The person who typed the other one did some of that, too (look at every space) but they also left-justified some of the text.


Considering it takes more time to find the "right" place to start (as opposed to carriage returns only), I might give low probability that someone was just being anal. When One is typing stacks of paperwork, One tends to use the fastest approach possible... Just sayin'.


This sounds just like some of the crazy assumptions you guys make...


No assumptions. Deductions, really.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 07:57 PM
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Originally posted by TrueAmerican
The most damning evidence to date that the supposed long form BC released is 100% an absolute forgery. From someone with unique credentials in OCR, type, and document archiving.

A MUST SEE for all.

obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com...

Legal proof from someone who really DOES know what they are talking about when it comes to proving the validity of a document like this. And the unrelenting conclusion?

FAKE, FORGED, FRAUD, and CRIMINAL CHARGES to be PURSUED against OBAMA et al!!!!!!!



obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com...


Honestly, can't we just let this B.S. die already? It's already been proven over and over again, that Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, and not the 'Republic of Kenya' which didn't even exist until December of 1963.........



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 07:59 PM
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What this thread title needs is more exclamation marks and upper case letters. There's not enough in it. Especially to re-hash something that has been covered quite a few times.

Is it possible to use font formatting in the subject? I'd like to try flashing, bold, underlined, and italicized text. That'll get everyone's attention!



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 08:00 PM
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Originally posted by spinalremain
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
 


NO NO NO.

Did you not see the disclaimer?

Besides, it's the same as a non birther being called a co-intel op or a disinfo agent.


I actually did see a Jewish guy on CSpan talking about how so many Jewish people voted for Barry, and he said that they typically vote left Democrat. It seems to stem from a non-religious world-view. It really does seem counter-intuitive, but it is so. Equally perplexing was Barry's appointment of Rahm. I am guessing that this is really indicative of the NWO being neither right nor left but a synthesis of the two.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 08:10 PM
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I have no doubt the online Obama LFBC PDF released by the White House was manipulated, but since the Hawaii DOH has said it is certified, we have to assume any changes were for readability and not to alter the content.

That is, unless you want to include the Hawaii DOH in the conspiracy. I can't go there.
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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 08:20 PM
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nice find hope something comes from it.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 08:27 PM
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Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
race card player..


Why do birthers continue to pull out the race card as if it means anything to the rest of us? Racism is a major drive for this conspiracy is still alive today. You can deny, you can make your own cards about it, that's fine. You know where you stand on the issue, you know how you personally feel about Obama. Convincing the rest of us will not change how you feel. No other president has presented their long form birth certificate in the history of this nation, Obama did, his still a black man.

We get it.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 08:28 PM
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Originally posted by expo15
It absolutely baffles me that we have people here who believe that our government was sophisticated and capable enough to pull off 9/11 internally, and yet simultaneously believe that they're so incompetent that they can't produce a believable Photoshop'd birth certificate.


Don't forget, even Obama's parents were totally clueless about his birth in Kenya.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 08:32 PM
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Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
race card player..


You can deny,


Ignorance?

Out of context of course.


Meh, I prefer a nice game of chess.

Wanna play?



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 08:40 PM
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Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
Ignorance?

Out of context of course. :

Meh, I prefer a nice game of chess.


If you prefer a game of chess then what are you doing here on this forum, on a birther thread, insisting that racism is insignificant to the birther theory? Go play chess. You don't accept Obama's long form birth certificate, blindly accepted the last 43 white presidents, you know where you stand.

Go on now.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 08:41 PM
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So you think a few Noobs from Saudi Arabia could do it ??

Or you agree it was an inside job but think they did a better job covering up 9/11 ??

Or you are just flat out agreeing that it looks like a terribly incompetent photoshop job, and you just do not want to believe your eyes that it looks bad ??

Not sure why you got stars for such a baffling post,, really.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 08:43 PM
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Please, read all of my posts in this thread, I believe you have judged me wrong.

thread posts

Checkmate.


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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 08:46 PM
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Originally posted by Elbereth
That is, unless you want to include the Hawaii DOH in the conspiracy. I can't go there.
edit on 18-5-2011 by Elbereth because: typo


Most birthers are reluctant to include anybody beyond the white house and the Democratic leadership in on this conspiracy (even though it would make it more so illogical). Some birthers have no choice but to include the Hawaiian government but of course argue they were probably "forced at gunpoint" into verifying it as authentic.

...and then then there's Obama's parents. Include Obama's parents in this conspiracy and you expand it to a 49 year period. Imagine that? A conspiracy expanding 49 years? So they insist that they in no way accused his parents of being in on this conspiracy, but logic would dictate that for this conspiracy to work, his parents would need to know from his birth. So they don't mention his parents, but their conspiracy certaintly implies it.

As for the CIA, FBI, the Republicans, the Hillary campaign? They were all clueless... or they all know but they hae their own agendas. Which ever way you wish to put the icing on the cake.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 08:49 PM
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You were being sarcastic in the previous post? You agree with me? So why not simply make this clear? Am I suppose to tell your sarcasm in this thread?

Simply clarify where you stand.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 08:52 PM
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I think my posts in context, will more than explain that.

Really, think what you want, you're doing a fine job.



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