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posted on May, 15 2011 @ 10:02 PM
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Originally posted by 1000TonBlocks

Originally posted by adeclerk

Originally posted by 1000TonBlocks
I don't think you read my statement close enough, let me reiterate.

I will Not accept anyone telling me that I am wrong...
That includes anyone asking for Proofs ... as none are needed.

I am merely stating what IS.

The sky HAS changed......but why !

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There's no arguing with those strong points! If you can never accept that you are wrong, and deny your own ignorance? You can't learn if you can't make mistakes. BTW: Did you find any evidence yet?
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*Laughs*
"how do you ever expect to learn ?"

There will be No squaring of this circle, sir.

Carry on.



So no evidence?

Too bad, if someone can prove me/us/whatever wrong I can deal with it.

Let's just see the evidence




posted on May, 15 2011 @ 10:05 PM
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Originally posted by GringoViejo

Originally posted by GrinchNoMore
reply to post by GringoViejo
 


You are not interested in truth anyways, so who cares about anyone's predications lol.



Oh I am interested in truth. If "chemtrails" existed, I would gladly march on Washington, as I assume everyone else would be inclined to do.


Yep - said as much 12 days ago - www.abovetopsecret.com...

and have done so onprevious occasions too.

"we debunkers" are actually really easy to sway onto the side of chemtrails existing - we are evidence-bound - show us het evidence and we HAVE to believe - it is how we "work".

all this assertion and supposition is jsut bunk to us - rubbish, woolly thinking, disinformation, misleading, outright lies - not even circumstantial evidence.

Doesn't matter how many people spout it, it will never amunt to evidence - see the 2nd quote in my sig.



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 10:10 PM
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Proofs.......Is that such an important thing to you?

Very well, then I ask this.

Offer me Proof, that you are a living, breathing person.....and not some very special high tech computer program pushing a doubt on people....and we will continue this debate.
Remember....Proof that you are a living being, and your only tool you may use, is the words in this thread to 'prove' your point.

There are no Proofs, now are there.....





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posted on May, 15 2011 @ 10:20 PM
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Not when asked to prove a negative.

Prove that Oprah is not Satan.
Prove you are not a computer program.
Prove contrails are not made of fairy farts.

Nice try


Please try to base your arguments in logic.


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posted on May, 15 2011 @ 10:21 PM
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What an open ended question\statement. This leaves anything open to complete srutiny good and evil.

Simple fact is, the human brain is still very unkown. The test was conducted but the answer was simply in theory. Personaly i believe that people might simply mistake a story they heard in the past from another and their brain mistakes it for their memory.

If my memory is under question then i question the memory of the United States government and any others that continue to twist the stories of world events and mass death.

Late



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 10:24 PM
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Great point in the OP sir. I'm quite aware of some of my recollections being altered afterward through suggestion. I'm also aware of recollections from as early as almost 3 years old that are accurate and have accountable confirmations from 3rd parties of. This presentation I almost didn't bother reading until my eye sped faster than my return key, then I got intrigued to read on.

Its my firm belief that an eyed witness is the most flimsy of evidence of a past event than forensic analysis of the same.



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 10:26 PM
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Walk into any court in the land with premise of this thread and chemies are going to lose! The only arguments of merit having been put forth so far support the contrail side. Arguments such as "check the statistics in the sky" or "trust your inner voice" though quaint ideas do not further the chemtrail conspiracy. If no proof is provided soon by the chemtrail believers, this whole argument will fall by the wayside becoming as valid as the argument we never went to the moon. This outcome would suck because you chemies may have been onto something that we desperately needed to know to save ourselves and you will have failed us by not coming up with proof!



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 10:27 PM
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Originally posted by GringoViejo
reply to post by 1000TonBlocks
 


Not when asked to prove a negative.

Prove that Oprah is not Satan.
Prove you are not a computer program.
Prove contrails are not made of fairy farts.

Nice try


Please try to base your arguments in logic.


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Exactly, thank you for expanding on my point.

There is NO proofs....of anything.



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 10:34 PM
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Originally posted by 1000TonBlocks

Originally posted by GringoViejo
reply to post by 1000TonBlocks
 


Not when asked to prove a negative.

Prove that Oprah is not Satan.
Prove you are not a computer program.
Prove contrails are not made of fairy farts.

Nice try


Please try to base your arguments in logic.


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edit on 15-5-2011 by GringoViejo because: (no reason given)


Exactly, thank you for expanding on my point.

There is NO proofs....of anything.


You didn't do very well in English, did you?

Or do you not understand the context of your own words?

Read something sometime.



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 10:34 PM
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Originally posted by 1000TonBlocks
There is NO proofs....of anything.


Of course there is.

and in a small enough environment it is even possible to prove a negative - for example I can prove thatthere is not (something) in my pocket to anyone close enough to see - for any "something" for which the statment is true - eg an egg, and automatic pistol, a Boeing 747, etc..

And there are mathematical and scientific proofs back to Axioms - the literla meaning of the term "axiomatic".

it is only muddled minds that mistake "theory" for "proof", and argument from a negative for logic.



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 10:38 PM
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Originally posted by 1000TonBlocks

Proofs.......Is that such an important thing to you?


Proof would be good - but jsut some credible evidence would be a start.


Very well, then I ask this.

Offer me Proof, that you are a living, breathing person.....and not some very special high tech computer program pushing a doubt on people....and we will continue this debate.


Why do you need proof of this when you do not offer it for yourself?

Why can you not simply discuss teh topic - why do you have to make this a personal matter?

If you believe the sky is differnt then you must have reasons for thinking that.

What are those reasons?

Those reasons exist whether you are conversing with man or machine, or whether I or anyone else believes your reasons or not.

You state something to be a FACT - therefore you must have reasons for believing it to be so.

Why are you covering up your reasons? What are you hiding?

Although come to think of it if you cannot figure out whether you are conversing with man or machine how does that realte to the Turing Test?

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posted on May, 15 2011 @ 10:43 PM
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WTF is wrong with you? They're the same colour. Save the file, open it in MS paint, and see there. It's the exact. same. colour. Your eyes lie; it's called an optical illusion.



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 10:45 PM
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Originally posted by GringoViejo

Originally posted by 1000TonBlocks

Originally posted by GringoViejo
reply to post by 1000TonBlocks
 


Not when asked to prove a negative.

Prove that Oprah is not Satan.
Prove you are not a computer program.
Prove contrails are not made of fairy farts.

Nice try


Please try to base your arguments in logic.


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edit on 15-5-2011 by GringoViejo because: (no reason given)


Exactly, thank you for expanding on my point.

There is NO proofs....of anything.


You didn't do very well in English, did you?

Or do you not understand the context of your own words?

Read something sometime.



Thank you for the insult.

*Dismissed and ignored*



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 10:47 PM
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Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by SaberTruth
 


You posted only TEN minutes after the OP...you want people to believe that you completely absorbed the POINT of the study about memory, and then composed your reply and typed it out, and all that in only TEN minutes??

Or, would it be more accurate to say that you just had a knee-jerk reaction?


now THERE"S the kettle calling the pot black~~!!!!!!

wow.. ~!!



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 10:50 PM
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reply to post by 1000TonBlocks
 


What are you hiding?

Why are you participating in a coverup??



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 10:55 PM
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Yes, there are false memories, I must agree with that.
I remember conversations with my mom( not many), as a child, who never took place, at least by her recollection. I imagined them? I read them and projected them in a different context? Did she completely forgot? I will never know for sure.

But the thing is that false memories are about single, isolated events, which are never repeating. Watching the blue sky is never an isolated event, it's a daily event, endlessly repeating itself.
I would say that, on contrary, we should have difficulties noticing the differences NOW, since our brain tends to project onto reality old images fixed in our mind by repetition. Did you ever happen to NOT notice your wife's new hair color right away?

No, I don't think that the color of the sky is a false memory.
And if I can't trust my memory on such a simple thing, what in the world can I trust anymore?
TPTB memories?
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posted on May, 15 2011 @ 10:58 PM
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Originally posted by 1000TonBlocks

Originally posted by GringoViejo

Originally posted by 1000TonBlocks

Originally posted by GringoViejo
reply to post by 1000TonBlocks
 


Not when asked to prove a negative.

Prove that Oprah is not Satan.
Prove you are not a computer program.
Prove contrails are not made of fairy farts.

Nice try


Please try to base your arguments in logic.


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edit on 15-5-2011 by GringoViejo because: (no reason given)


Exactly, thank you for expanding on my point.

There is NO proofs....of anything.


You didn't do very well in English, did you?

Or do you not understand the context of your own words?

Read something sometime.



Thank you for the insult.

*Dismissed and ignored*


You are most deserving of it, so you are very welcome


You may ignore me, but you have no authority to "dismiss" me. But delusions are common with you "chemmies"



Still no evidence then?

Don't worry, we'll wait.
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posted on May, 15 2011 @ 10:59 PM
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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by 1000TonBlocks
 


What are you hiding?

Why are you participating in a coverup??



*Laughs*

White is black....would you say.....
And Bad is now Good....?

Night all.



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 11:01 PM
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reply to post by 1000TonBlocks
 


Yet again you fail to answer a straightforward question and instead reply with meaningless banter.

Areyou leaving because your conscience is guilty??!! Hmm????



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 11:38 PM
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Originally posted by SaberTruth
Wow... not only can't we believe our lyin' eyes, we can't trust our own memories, though no implantations were done on thousands of people all over the world. Of course, deniers have excellent memories and never get false ones implanted, and they don't have lyin' eyes to worry about.

Sorry, but this is sheer desperation and grasping at straws. And knowing how the thread will go I'll just leave it at that and walk away.


One doesn't need to trust ones own eyes.....they can trust photographic evidence showing whether or not contrails look differently today than they did all the way back to the 40's.....And guess what...they did. They look exactly the same...nothings changed. Check out this thread I posted which shows pictures (many of the older pictures are from books you can check out from the library) www.abovetopsecret.com...

The link I provide shows contrails all the way back to the 40's that look exactly like those of today.




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