Implanted memories of Blue Skies

This article is from 1997!

The "false memory" scenario has been used for years to invalidate the stories of all kinds of people who have attempted to report various types of criminal actions, including children who had been sexually molested and persons who had been abducted "by something."

This ploy is unacceptable to me.

It is not that false memories cannot exist. Is that no one should be accused of having them unless we are talking about a legal matter were ample evidence against the "memory" exists. Confidence in one's own memory is very important to people. We all know it is fallible, but that doesn't mean someone should be going around rubbing this little fact in our faces for the purpose of invalidating things we know to be true. The average person remembers a LOT of stuff, and does it quite accurately.

All those that push "false memories" really accomplish in their efforts is to make us aware of a very important piece of mental technology that they don't much like to talk about: the implanted suggestion. This mechanism is used all the time on society at large and on specific individuals to convince us that certain things are true that really aren't. In this case it has less to do with memory and more to do with perception, or belief. No one "remembers" Osama Bin Laden planning the 911 attack, yet we are told repeatedly that he did. This is a very overt example. But the average person sitting in front of a television (assuming it's on) is quite suggestible. One can be fed all sorts of false data in such a state and internalize it as fact. "Mind programming" takes this a step further by adding physical duress.

There are also a lot of mental technologies out there that strengthen the memory and tend to improve one's ability to be confident in one's own perceptions, to remember accurately, and to resist attempts to implant false data. We don't hear much about these technologies, as the PTB don't want a population confident in its own perceptions of the truth.

reply to post by Phage


30° S

I have witnessed multple Passenger jet size planes spraying something, Millions have seen it. They are very differerent from clouds and to common to be jet stream, USE YOUR EYES!!! The Government admitted that they are spraying they just are lying about what they are spraying. So dont give this we have bad memory bull#. Due your research then post something that makes sense THANKS

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So you would have us believe that TPTB would have less people in prison as opposed to more?

How would they benefit from having child molesters and other criminals out on the street where they can't make money off of them?



The 1983-4 McCuan and Kniffen Trial (involved 8 other families)

In their six month investigation, police officers ignored many factors:

rope burns that would have been present if the abuse had happened were absent.

markings on the railing where the children said they were tied were absent.

there were plant hooks in the ceiling, but they could not have supported a child's weight.

there were no ceiling hooks in the rooms where the children said there were.

there were no patches in the ceiling which would have been left behind if ceiling hooks had been removed.

Both Becky and Dawn told their parents' defense attorney that they had only accused one of their uncles
because their step-grandmother told them to.

no pornographic movies, "snuff films" or movie cameras were ever found.

there was no evidence of physical trauma to either child, except for that attributed to the grandfather's
alleged assault on Becky.

the Kniffen parents voluntarily submitted to polygraph tests which indicated that they were both innocent.
These tests are generally regarded as being accurate between 70 and 90% of the time. The probability of
both parents actually being guilty and both fooling the polygraph test is about 1 to 9%.

Allegations of Satanic ritual murders came up during group therapy. Becky and Dawn led the police to the
spot where they believed that the sacrificed infants were buried. Neither bodies nor disturbed earth (filled-in
pits) were ever found. (Disturbed earth can be detected centuries after pits are filled in).

The Kniffen sons, Brian and Brandon, were repeatedly and suggestively interrogated. The interviewers would describe a sex act and then ask the child to confirm or deny that it happened. When questioned separately, each was told (falsely) that their brother had disclosed abuse by both the parents and the rest of the sex-ring. Brian and Brandon claim that they were yelled at and terrorized by the interrogators. They were told that they could go home again if they testified about the abuse. These manipulative and coercive interrogation methods are now known to generate false allegations. "Questioning in Bakersfield went far beyond the definition of leading and was, in fact, coercive, threatening, brainwashing of young children." 1 Unfortunately, in early 1983, basic research into child interview techniques was in its early stages; direct questioning and manipulation of children was common practice. 2 The Kniffen boys finally caved in under the pressure and said that abuse had occurred.

www.religioustolerance.org...

It sounds like if there is a conspiracy, that is its to keep people in prison.

Yes, you see, the average person is an idiot - and is easily confused and lied to: hence this current state of chaos.\

duh.

reply to post by GringoViejo


Well, I can tell you how they benefit by having child molesters free and not in jail. THEY are the child molesters! The rich and mighty are the child molesters, those who invest in private prisons belong to the circle of child molesters. Thats how they benefit from it.

Thats exactly what I think of this "False memory syndrom". It has been invented to devaliate witnesses of crimes of the rich and mighty

Originally posted by CarlitosAmsel
reply to post by GringoViejo

 

Well, I can tell you how they benefit by having child molesters free and not in jail. THEY are the child molesters! The rich and mighty are the child molesters, those who invest in private prisons belong to the circle of child molesters. Thats how they benefit from it.

Who are "they?"

The Kiffins?

The other 8 families that police used coercive tactics to help wrongly convict?

Or is it just every rich person?

Originally posted by GringoViejo

Originally posted by CarlitosAmsel
reply to post by GringoViejo

 

Well, I can tell you how they benefit by having child molesters free and not in jail. THEY are the child molesters! The rich and mighty are the child molesters, those who invest in private prisons belong to the circle of child molesters. Thats how they benefit from it.

Who are "they?"

The Kiffins?

The other 8 families that police used coercive tactics to help wrongly convict?

Or is it just every rich person?

Well, "THEY", for instance, are the powerfull rich and mighty people Marc Dotroux in Belgium worked for, the ones he kidnaped the little girls for, the ones who managed to get the prosecuter fired as soon as he got to close to THEM, the ones who had many witnesses killed, the ones who never got mentioned and never showed up in the years of the trial, thats who THEY are. Or the ones, who snatch teams in the USA work for, who snatch little kids of the streets, never to be seen again, the ones that get supplied by Boys town for instance, thats who THEY are. Or the Scottish Establishment Paedophile Ring, www.davidicke.com... thats who "THEY" are! Ore the paedophilia ring from portugals rich and influential www.independent.co.uk... thats who "THEY" are !!! You know, the rich, mighty, powerfull and influencial people behind the scenes who hardly ever get ceught because they have frontmen working for them, thats who "T H E Y" are!!!!

And if we look at the "average person" as "idiot" - who "is easily confused and lied to: hence this current state of chaos", then we will surely not better the situation by introducing a false memory syndrom, that will confuse the idiots even more. Lets keep our feet to the ground and do what we have always done, use our brains, which, of course, might also lead to mistakes, something, we can never eradicate from the earth, even if we introduce a "false memory syndrom"...-

Originally posted by CarlitosAmsel

Originally posted by GringoViejo

Originally posted by CarlitosAmsel
reply to post by GringoViejo

 

Well, I can tell you how they benefit by having child molesters free and not in jail. THEY are the child molesters! The rich and mighty are the child molesters, those who invest in private prisons belong to the circle of child molesters. Thats how they benefit from it.

Who are "they?"

The Kiffins?

The other 8 families that police used coercive tactics to help wrongly convict?

Or is it just every rich person?

Well, "THEY", for instance, are the powerfull rich and mighty people Marc Dotroux in Belgium worked for, the ones he kidnaped the little girls for, the ones who managed to get the prosecuter fired as soon as he got to close to THEM, the ones who had many witnesses killed, the ones who never got mentioned and never showed up in the years of the trial, thats who THEY are. Or the ones, who snatch teams in the USA work for, who snatch little kids of the streets, never to be seen again, the ones that get supplied by Boys town for instance, thats who THEY are. Or the Scottish Establishment Paedophile Ring, www.davidicke.com... thats who "THEY" are! Ore the paedophilia ring from portugals rich and influential www.independent.co.uk... thats who "THEY" are !!! You know, the rich, mighty, powerfull and influencial people behind the scenes who hardly ever get ceught because they have frontmen working for them, thats who "T H E Y" are!!!!

edit on 16-5-2011 by CarlitosAmsel because: (no reason given)

So which one is it? All of them? Or are you saying you don't know? Because it looks to me as if your grasping at a lot of straws.

What evidence is there that "they" created false memories as a tactic to keep themselves out of prison, when your own sources are detailing trials and convictions? Or that "they" created false memories as a tactic for anything?

What evidence is there to show that they are all in cahoots?

Also, it would seem that your caps lock key is having issues, you might want to get that checked out

Originally posted by GringoViejo

Originally posted by CarlitosAmsel

Originally posted by GringoViejo

Originally posted by CarlitosAmsel
reply to post by GringoViejo

 

Well, I can tell you how they benefit by having child molesters free and not in jail. THEY are the child molesters! The rich and mighty are the child molesters, those who invest in private prisons belong to the circle of child molesters. Thats how they benefit from it.

Who are "they?"

The Kiffins?

The other 8 families that police used coercive tactics to help wrongly convict?

Or is it just every rich person?

Well, "THEY", for instance, are the powerfull rich and mighty people Marc Dotroux in Belgium worked for, the ones he kidnaped the little girls for, the ones who managed to get the prosecuter fired as soon as he got to close to THEM, the ones who had many witnesses killed, the ones who never got mentioned and never showed up in the years of the trial, thats who THEY are. Or the ones, who snatch teams in the USA work for, who snatch little kids of the streets, never to be seen again, the ones that get supplied by Boys town for instance, thats who THEY are. Or the Scottish Establishment Paedophile Ring, www.davidicke.com... thats who "THEY" are! Ore the paedophilia ring from portugals rich and influential www.independent.co.uk... thats who "THEY" are !!! You know, the rich, mighty, powerfull and influencial people behind the scenes who hardly ever get ceught because they have frontmen working for them, thats who "T H E Y" are!!!!

edit on 16-5-2011 by CarlitosAmsel because: (no reason given)

So which one is it? All of them? Or are you saying you don't know? Because it looks to me as if your grasping at a lot of straws.

What evidence is there that "they" created false memories as a tactic to keep themselves out of prison, when your own sources are detailing trials and convictions? Or that "they" created false memories as a tactic for anything?

What evidence is there to show that they are all in cahoots?

Also, it would seem that your caps lock key is having issues, you might want to get that checked out

LOTS of THEM! So many of THEM that I see it to be okay, to talk about them as THEM, thats how many...-
No "issues" with "cap lock key". Capitalized words are intentional.

reply to post by archetype_one

1) "chem"trails appear to cast shadows of themselves that float in the sky next to the trail. I've never seen this effect while observing a conventional, short "con"trail.

Clouds cast shadows, so do contrails of any size. A longer contrail is easier to see because it is, well, longer. A short contrail shadow would be easy to miss and blend in with any cloud much easier.

2) After a heavy morning of "spaying" the sky turns to a white haze in the afternoon that produces giant prismatic halows around the sun along with "rainbow" clouds.

There is no "spraying", there are cirrus clouds moving into an area. Haloes are fairly common, and will produce iridescence in the lighting. So are "rainbow" clouds. There have been both since the sky first existed. Their cause is well known. I can link you to an article about iridescence in clouds from 1887. That's years before planes. It's not a sign of anything but refraction of white light via ice crystals/ water droplet.

3) Some trails twist like a quarkscrew even while the source (jet) is still visible and it's not performing barrel-rolls and there's no break in the trail. I've never observed natural clouds twist like this.

I have seen a cloud corkscrew. It was morphing out of a Kelvin-Helmholtz cloud, which looks like breaking waves. It's natural and really cool. And it's one of the reasons I like to have a camera with me at all times.
There's a lot of physics involved. Google it to learn more. But here's two pictures. The first is the wave forms, and the second is one that is "older" and has done an almost complete turn, into a "corkscrew" or a telephone cord. These clouds do not last long and a corkscrew is pretty cool to see. I actually stopped and watched it. From beginning to end, it was less than ten minutes. And it is a cloud, usually not a contrail. It just looks like something "made" instead of naturally forming, but it's just a cloud. There are lots of natural things that spiral.




There is another reason besides wind that make contrails do this. All jet engines have an element that turns, like a really big fan. Depending on the conditions at formation, this spin means all contrails have some bit of twist in them.

reply to post by CarlitosAmsel

LOTS of THEM! So many of THEM that I see it to be okay, to talk about them as THEM, thats how many...- No "issues" with "cap lock key". Capitalized words are intentional

So, no then, you don't have any evidence to support that false memories were "created" or "invented" by "them." let alone to keep "themselves" out of prison.

Furthermore, you have no evidence showing that all these individual cases connect anyone besides there co-defendants.

reply to post by Uncinus

The same might be said for memory. Everyone think they have a great memory, and if you question their recollection of events, even their childhood recollection, you might as well have questioned their sanity.

This is your evidence so I disagree.

I believe that it is more likely for aliens to be coming here, than for humans to be spraying other humans, and that these chem trails are the evidence.

But at the same time, they do poison our water and food, and they DO drink reverse osmosis water [I believe it is fluoride free] and eat ""organic"" food.

Mainly because if we had REAL evidence of these things, people would go up in arms. Pictures of clouds with a jet stream behind them is not evidence. I think even the government would know that, giving them plenty of reason not to.

reply to post by Uncinus


This is just silly......EVERYDAY I see beautiful brilliant blue skies.

And every plane that flies overhead has a short contrail......some are longer but they are all gone in a few minutes.
so if that defies the laws of physics I must live in another universe.

Yes I don't live in the USA. I live in Australia but why would chemtrails be in the USA but not here......

Yea, forget this false memory syndrom. When I was a kid in Germany, we had the first jet fighters flying overhead. Some days I watched them for hours, listend to their sonic BOOOM, it was still alowed to break the sound barrier over populated area, and I watched the Contrails, that never behaved the way they do today. What we see today are no Contrails, them are Chemtrails. Sometimes they dont spray for many days, and then the sky turns blue the way I remember it from long ago. Only looking at the patterns they fly, criss cross, rings, etc, one can see, those are not normal flights and what the leave behind, lingering alll day and getting broader and broader until they cover the whole sky, are no contrails, them are CHEMTRAILS ! I dont understand why we still argue about it, whether they are contrails or chemtrails. Its so obvious. Millions of people see them every day and recognice them for what they are: No contrails.

reply to post by weedwhacker


HIGH-bypass turboFAN engine technologies cause the increase in more persistent contrails today, compared to the older LOW-bypass turboFAN and even older straight turboJET engines.

So then..... our memories of blue skies, are not faulty?

Originally posted by CarlitosAmsel
Yea, forget this false memory syndrom. When I was a kid in Germany, we had the first jet fighters flying overhead. Some days I watched them for hours, listend to their sonic BOOOM, it was still alowed to break the sound barrier over populated area, and I watched the Contrails, that never behaved the way they do today. What we see today are no Contrails, them are Chemtrails. Sometimes they dont spray for many days, and then the sky turns blue the way I remember it from long ago. Only looking at the patterns they fly, criss cross, rings, etc, one can see, those are not normal flights and what the leave behind, lingering alll day and getting broader and broader until they cover the whole sky, are no contrails, them are CHEMTRAILS ! I dont understand why we still argue about it, whether they are contrails or chemtrails. Its so obvious. Millions of people see them every day and recognice them for what they are: No contrails.

edit on 16-5-2011 by CarlitosAmsel because: (no reason given)

There is no evidence that shows the existence of "chemtrails"

Regardless of the study shown in the OP, your memories and observations are worth nothing if you have no evidence to back them up.

Take a picture sometime of these so-called "chemtrails."

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by SaberTruth

 

You posted only TEN minutes after the OP...you want people to believe that you completely absorbed the POINT of the study about memory, and then composed your reply and typed it out, and all that in only TEN minutes??

Or, would it be more accurate to say that you just had a knee-jerk reaction?

Some proposed "explanations" by debunkers are so silly and irrelevant, you don't need to read the footnotes.
Methinks you underestimate the intelligence of some of us......

Originally posted by GringoViejo

Originally posted by CarlitosAmsel
Yea, forget this false memory syndrom. When I was a kid in Germany, we had the first jet fighters flying overhead. Some days I watched them for hours, listend to their sonic BOOOM, it was still alowed to break the sound barrier over populated area, and I watched the Contrails, that never behaved the way they do today. What we see today are no Contrails, them are Chemtrails. Sometimes they dont spray for many days, and then the sky turns blue the way I remember it from long ago. Only looking at the patterns they fly, criss cross, rings, etc, one can see, those are not normal flights and what the leave behind, lingering alll day and getting broader and broader until they cover the whole sky, are no contrails, them are CHEMTRAILS ! I dont understand why we still argue about it, whether they are contrails or chemtrails. Its so obvious. Millions of people see them every day and recognice them for what they are: No contrails.

edit on 16-5-2011 by CarlitosAmsel because: (no reason given)

There is no evidence that shows the existence of "chemtrails"

Regardless of the study shown in the OP, your memories and observations are worth nothing if you have no evidence to back them up.

Take a picture sometime of these so-called "chemtrails."

edit on 16-5-2011 by GringoViejo because: (no reason given)

Instead of just asserting your position about chemtrails ("There is no evidence that shows the existence of "chemtrails""), how about justifying that with evidence?