It's time for the young to take over !

reply to post by DeadBLACK

You are so wrong about so many older adults. I am 50+ . You are so lost in your assumption that we are all bigots. There is a lot I would change if I had the power to do so. I could give you a long list of things that would benefit the young and the old. And to make life for the poor a lot better. A chance for all people to be the very best they could be.
Change is inevitable, but change for the better can take so long. But who knows, just maybe in your life time you will see some of that change. And many of the old ones are the ones that gave us the chances we have today, Slim pickings ? Yes..It is really sad for the poor and that is one of the main things that I would change if I could.

Originally posted by DeadBLACK
reply to post by NewAgeMan

 

well put

EDIT: Maybe you can add to the thread called "the revolution starts NOW"?

Now is forever already always here, so I guess there's no time but the present.. true.

And it's both an emergent bottom up phenomenon as it is, top down, like an eternal wellspring or fount of latent possibilty held in potentia by the human heart young AND old, both, together. Nothing else holds any water with integrity or wholeness, this me vs them business, it's absurd, and foolish, even childish when you really come to think of it.

We need something BOTH old AND new!

"The kingdom of heaven is like a storekeeper, who brings forth from his storehouse of treasure both something old and something new."

Originally posted by davidgrouchy

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by DeadBLACK
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

respect is earned.

No, respect is lost. Do you start initially disrespectful of a person and let them try to earn it off of you? no...of course not. you initially respect someone and visa versa and depending on the circumstances after that, it may be lost.

The "respect is earned" line is absolutely false...its monkey thinking.

I never fail to like your posts SaturnFX,
and this one is just amazing.
Quite a valuable come back.
I'm going to use it myself.

David Grouchy

I want royaltys!!!

Aww
DeadBlack is banned.

I blame the old guys at ATS not understanding the youth...see...you powermonger ATS mods are ruining everything! We need elementry school mods, not adults!

Originally posted by DeadBLACK

exactly mr "im so intelligent"

Thank you.
With my Mom, that makes two people who think so.

Originally posted by DeadBLACK

you have nothing of use to contribute to anything that matters, your just a guy who stays at home [color=saddlebrown]hating the younger generation

Evidence please.

Additionally, this offer to provide evidence will expire in 24 hours.
After that false charges like those above will be prosecuted in the spirit world with maximum predjudice.
I will not tolerate being accused of frivolous use of emotions, particularly when the use is implied to slander someone else, let alone an entire generation. For your own sake I advise you to appologize.

David Grouchy

reply to post by SaturnFX


Which, for calling some of your fellow man monkeys, or of having "monkey thoughts".. I don't know..

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnndddddd:

The BAN HAMMER has dropped.

Maybe we can return to a civil conversation that is back on topic, or are a few of you other members going to result to meaningless arguments as well?

I tried to get through to him, but he just wanted to troll away, in either case, can we be civil and behave in a manner more fitting the ATS banner people?

I'm hoping there are some people out there of the under 30 generation that have something important to say and genuine ideas on how they would supposedly fix the system, until then I'll wait and watch.

King

35 pages of a few people throwing stones at each-other. What has gotten into you people, =O. Neither side is right or wrong! Human beings are human beings. Douchebags are douchebags. Corrupt people are corrupt. Bigots are bigots. Who cares. Stop trying to divide the line between young and old.

My hats off to PartyGirl. Thirty plus pages in two days. She definitely found the right button to poke here.

I have already posted my two cents and many more here have effectively argued (debated???? I don’t know about that) points that are well thought out.

My oh my, what button will she push next? My prediction…Democrats vs. Republicans vs. Libertarians vs. Liberals vs Conservatives? Come on girl, let’s see you step up your game!

reply to post by Frater210


Love it. Too true! University graduates are ther worst, they could tell you how to do some things in theory by what they learned but if the world turned upside down and one tried to run a group of survivors I'd shoot him to save the rest of us...

And to be fair, the worst part in all this is when I was young, I thought as you did....

Originally posted by Raelsatu
35 pages of a few people throwing stones at each-other. What has gotten into you people, =O.

I was very cordial, honest and sincere in my posts and in stating my opinions, so leave me out of this.

As far as the OP getting a ton of pages, the majority of the credit goes to the individual who is no longer here to poke the bear in the cage. If you take away all of the replies to him and leave just the substance, even most of my own posts despite my message intertwined, you would probably end up with a 4-5 pager at best.

Not really a hot button topic if one person is causing all of the trouble and dropping one liners like gummy bears; pages tend to fill up fast that way.

King

Originally posted by Kokatsi
reply to post by CarlitosAmsel

 

Why do you blame that on Socialists?
Socialists for one thing are the enemy of the neocapitalistic order and consumerism which is what screwed the values of Western society in the first place.
I witnessed that as early as 1974, kids were raised with a twisted outlook of total egotism and no social order. Left and right, liberal and conservative. As long as you were not an outsider who refused to believe in TV, the fake "growth" of the Reagan times and the newly invented diseases like ADHD, dyslexia etc.
True, autism was growing exponentionally due to the fact that parents accepted the mind controlled poisons of profit-hungry multinationals.

I am a Spiritual Revolutionary and I am respected by the young.

So you are a Socialist. Indeed you are against Capitalism.
Let me give a brief, Reader's Digest version (cuz I am "old") of History...

This country was founded on the Freedoms that give Capitalism it's best and potentially worst expression.
The problem is when you try to "blend" these 2 ideals you have a problem.

What screwed the USA is that it was foundationally a Capitalist country and a few misguided bleeding heart leaders decided to introduce Socialist programs.
All the lazy, uninspired people with NO ambition took advantage of these programs and still wanted to live the consumerist lifestyle of their "contributing" counterparts.
Those at the "top of the food chain" as it were, were not happy with more $ than they could spend in 3 generations and became not only power hungry, but greedy as well, and started working both ends against each other, while sitting back and basking in the dis-unity of it all.

Then they began to believe themselves as Gods and began financing twisted science, using the "lessers" as the guinea pigs. They went to (and still do) extreme measures to see to it that the masses saw the world through rose colored glasses.
The people, trusting and innocently naive as they were, didnt become aware of the corruption and true deviance of it all until Kennedy was assassinated (and I am guessing you were born around then).
That is when a few started to wake up and many people are still just waking up.

Capitalism and Socialism CANNOT coexist in the same society...it is a contradiction in terms in the extreme.

You are a self proclaimed Spiritual Revolutionary(no ego in that declaration, is there?) and as such are respected by the young (your words), because the more savvy, mature and experienced see you and your game coming a mile away.

Peace

Originally posted by JR MacBeth
The differences between 20 and 40 and 60 are significant, but they may not be so important in comparison to those who are able to benefit from more than one lifetime's experience.

No, I'm not talking New Age reincarnation nonsense. But there are people who do accrue the advantages of multiple generations. They are often the wealthy, and some of the most powerful people in the world. We often like to call them the "elite", and the nobility is probably the best example of what I mean.

We might do better arguing about whether "their" considerable collective experience would do the world more good, but because many of us realize that it was they who really screwed the pouch, the point might be moot.

It wasn't the Boomers, or Gen this or that. It's "them", it's been them, it is them, and it likely will remain them.

I agree.
Now where do we set the line for what is wealthy,
and how do we review the value added by their actions
when most of it is secret, unpublicized, or obfusciated by divisive issues.

I know he's not a very riviting speaker.
But consider what Bill Gates has to say about the matter.


David Grouchy




Time stop 5:35
he actually says "young verses the old"

youtube / TED talks: Bill Gates; how state budgets are breaking us

what the youth have in bravery, tenacity and eagerness....they lack in experience.

lol and i'm newly into the "30 somethings" !

paris hilton as a treasury sec?? faints....

lil wayne as attorney general?? screams, faints...

lindsey lohan in the judicial branch ?? screams, rams head into wall, faints, seizes...

young Jeezy as secretary of state?? jumps down ravine

Originally posted by Partygirl
OK this will be controversial lol

I respect age, I know and respect lots of old people, I hope to be one myself someday lol.

But let's face it, you people screwed up our world, bad.

And guess what else -- we are the ones who are going to have to deal with the mess!

So who is "we?" Let's for the sake of argument say 20-30-year-olds. I guess you could change this definition at either end to some extent, but that's vaguely what I'm thinking of.

The solution would be for nobody in major power to be over 30. Maybe you could make a few exeptions, but basically after 30, that's it. You retire or become a "consultant" or "advisor" maybe. (I'm only talking about positions of real power here -- Washington, Wall Street, Fortune 500 CEOs, etc. People who own their own little stores or businesses or who have jobs like doctors, teachers, janitors, etc...no change with age).

Everyone heading Wall Street, Washington, the University system, all the power nodes of society -- energy, commerce, international trade, military, etc. -- would be headed by people in their 20s. Smart people selected rigorously and fairly, but young,

They would bring their creativity, their will to survive, their vibrant life force which starts to ebb when people get older. Fresh ideas, dynamic attitudes, and youthful idealism....what's not to like?

Plus, the new generation, 20s and below, is much more spiritual than the olders, who are merely religious and cling to outward forms. The 20somethings are spiritual seekers who can bring fresh and innovative new life to tired old religion, bringing in a breath of fresh air in culture and the arts, too!

We need change bad, but a 40-year-old tired-looking old man who is corrupt from skeezing around in the Chicgo dirty political system is not "Change." His daughters....maybe!

Who is with me! Youthquake!

Who is with me??

I was ranting about this earlier today actually. The older people are stuck in the old world and they're world is a bad one. Hence all the hell we are put through at this point in time.S&F glad a lot of people agree with this. That's why congress sucks so bad because they are full of old farts

Originally posted by jeremiah8401

I was ranting about this earlier today actually. The older people are stuck in the old world and they're world is a bad one. Hence all the hell we are put through at this point in time.S&F glad a lot of people agree with this. That's why [color=salmon]congress sucks so bad because they are full of old farts

?!?

? ? ?





Actually,
as Bill Gates clearly explains this is all because
the young are watching Microsoft and Google closely,
but are bored with the idea of watching the State's budgets.
Thereby the States get away with all kind of accounting tricks,
bringing us to the situation with education funding being slashed.

California buget: 101 billion
Microsoft budget: 38 billion
Google budget: 19 billion

And now that the jig is up,
the spin doctors and the media machines
are whipping the generations into hating each other.

The real question is:
how do we turn state budgets into the #1 spectator sport.


David Grouchy

Originally posted by DeadBLACK
reply to post by Darkmask

 

well than, start educating the DUMB youth and try to help them understand...instead of just badmouthing them and seeing why we wont make good leaders etc...help the poor kid who posted eariler "the revolution starts now" thread here on ATS...instead of saying that we, the youth are stupid..most are but instead of not doing anything, get involved and work towards change or something..dont be a dick

I guess we've all noticed your obsession with the male member, but beyond that little thing, your observations that the Oldsters should stop saying "the youth are stupid." Why? Especially when it's an obvious truth. Disprove it if you can.

Does it make an impression on you that nearly every Oldster you speak to will say the same thing. Has it therefore occurred to you, or to anyone in the ruined 4 generations, that we really believe it? And as these pages demonstrate, the Oldsters aren't shy about telling this truth to anybody.

Surely this thread isn't the first time you kids heard such unsettling talk. Is it? And what has been the response to these observations from youngsters? The stuff that's happening to you, and the sheet that will come in your future, has been totally earned by you. Thus, no need to hurt your feelings with the truth that "change" is required from you, not from those of us raised normally.

Nearly across the board the last 4 generations have been tested (repeatedly), and found wanting (nearly always). Is this the fault of the testers or the testees?.

Originally posted by Partygirl
OK this will be controversial lol

I respect age, I know and respect lots of old people, I hope to be one myself someday lol.

But let's face it, you people screwed up our world, bad.

And guess what else -- we are the ones who are going to have to deal with the mess!

So who is "we?" Let's for the sake of argument say 20-30-year-olds. I guess you could change this definition at either end to some extent, but that's vaguely what I'm thinking of.

The solution would be for nobody in major power to be over 30. Maybe you could make a few exeptions, but basically after 30, that's it. You retire or become a "consultant" or "advisor" maybe. (I'm only talking about positions of real power here -- Washington, Wall Street, Fortune 500 CEOs, etc. People who own their own little stores or businesses or who have jobs like doctors, teachers, janitors, etc...no change with age).

Everyone heading Wall Street, Washington, the University system, all the power nodes of society -- energy, commerce, international trade, military, etc. -- would be headed by people in their 20s. Smart people selected rigorously and fairly, but young,

They would bring their creativity, their will to survive, their vibrant life force which starts to ebb when people get older. Fresh ideas, dynamic attitudes, and youthful idealism....what's not to like?

Plus, the new generation, 20s and below, is much more spiritual than the olders, who are merely religious and cling to outward forms. The 20somethings are spiritual seekers who can bring fresh and innovative new life to tired old religion, bringing in a breath of fresh air in culture and the arts, too!

We need change bad, but a 40-year-old tired-looking old man who is corrupt from skeezing around in the Chicgo dirty political system is not "Change." His daughters....maybe!

Who is with me! Youthquake!

Who is with me??

This thread feels like an experiment of some sort. But I'll bite anyway. Believe me: your explanation is anything but a "fresh idea". It's as old as humanity and is about as silly as what they pass off as music today.

The problem is much deeper than age and the fact that you think that "fresh ideas, dynamic attitudes, and youthful idealism..." is the exclusive domain of those who have fewer years behind them and much less wisdom reveals the fact that you have a lot to learn. It also shows that you don't really have any fresh ideas to offer -- just the same blame game that has gone on for thousands of years.

The world has ALWAYS been f@!#$$ up. How could you not know that? There are lots of reasons for that and it has nothing to do with who's at the helm of society. It has nothing to do with old folks, young rebellious malcontents (I'm an older, rebellious malcontent, so go figure), fresh ideas, stale and overused ideas or anything else you've mentioned. For example, I'll bet that you vote. That's a tip off that you have no clue as to how things work and is a stale idea put into action. If that's what you call "dynamic" I'm sorry for you. It's also a clue that you are deluded (I should say mislead, I don't mean to insult)

I'll tell you how you can figure out what the real cause of the world's problems is and what is not. Go through pure hell in your life-- for YEARS, DECADES EVEN--, lose everything (which was usually not much to begin with), lose your family, experience death, illness, incessant hardship beyond belief and all the time THAT is going on, still maintain your compassion, care for others, think so far out of the box you don't even know there's a box anywhere near you, hold on to hope that something better will come if you just don't give up.....in other words -- somehow, GROW UP.

....and then, when you've had the crap beat out of you, think about all you've experienced and why things are the way they are. At that point, first, you'll KNOW that the spoon-fed, uncreative and stale explanations as to the cause of the state of the world -- including your belief that "old people are to blame" -- are so simple-minded and wrong that you'll never understand how you believed them in the first place. Second, you'll take either one of a very limited number of paths at this point. You'll either have transformed into a reclusive, hate-filled wreck, or you will draw on what little courage is left and fight your way, for the umpteenth time, out of hell and hope that this time it sticks. And by that time, hopefully, you've given enough deep thought to this and can come up with real ideas. Hopefully, you will have abandoned the canned, divisive "explanations" that are pumped out to a public who lets other do their thinking for them. In other words, campaign brochures and catchy slogans will mean nothing to you. Deep thought and consideration will.

In short, you'll need to really suffer to understand down to the depth of your soul, however. Learning this from charlatans like Chopra or some other cheap, pseudo-spiritual clown, or from a stack of "spiritual" books will never impart true understanding. Remember, hopefully you too will be old someday and, hopefully, there will be no one to seek to marginalize you or your life. I'm sure you'd appreciate someone seeking out your well-earned wisdom rather than trying to shut you up.