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Nato strike 'kills Saif al-Arab Gaddafi', Libya says

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posted on May, 1 2011 @ 01:41 AM
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I think the reason they wanted to have more freedom is they have seen what life can be like, technical gadgets, women’s rights, education, and a better standard of Freedom. Gaddafi has spies in education, government and work places. If you oppose him, you will be publically executed. He’s stopped teaching other languages in schools. If you discuss Libyan politics with foreigners, you’re jailed.

He still doesn’t deserve to be killed or have his family killed. We don’t have an accurate poll of how many Libyans are for or against him, with free will to choose. Now we’ll never know.

I'm all for raising more money for defense! The problems I see revolve more on our Mexican border. We actually have travel restrictions to Mexico because of their inner drug wars. Again, Bonkers!




posted on May, 1 2011 @ 01:49 AM
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Originally posted by annella
I for one hope Gaddafi IS targeted and gotten rid of one way or another. Regardless of talk about the US's interests....the man is killing his own people, he became ' ruler ' by undemocratic means, he milks his country of wealth that should be shared with his people, he IS a terrorist himself, and as far as his grandchildren? Any grandfather worth his salt would have had precious family members sent far away from sites of conflict.
He deserves anything thrown at him.

End of rant. ( and I never mentioned Lockerbie..)

You are an uneducated and sick individual..He shares the countries wealth with the people more than any western country does. You clearly know nothing about ghaddafi or Libya. I would go on but I don't think your barbaric mind would absorb anything I say



posted on May, 1 2011 @ 01:51 AM
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Originally posted by wonderworld
I had no idea that even New Zealand hated America. We are begged to help, this war is still very speculative.

90% of New Zealanders love the USA!
They grovel and abase themselves. They say 'sked-yool', and talk about going to the "bathroom" when they mean the toilet, they wish they were American, they would marry it and have its babies.
But 10% of us are a bit more aware....
I don't hate America per se. I hate war mongering, murdering, killing and the death penalty. I hate the blatant American worship of money.
I hate hypocrisy and stupidity, and lies.
V.



posted on May, 1 2011 @ 01:52 AM
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Originally posted by alphabetaone
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Vicky,

We (the US) it seems simply won't be happy until we plunder all of the worlds resources, and that includes other peoples minds I guess.

You know, I did my 20 in the service, and because of that, when people are around me, they automatically assume that I gratuitously approve of everything the Military machine here does. But, I will say this, when I first went in, in '83, let me tell you, there WAS honor on that battlefield....now, the honor seems to be being guided by number of friend tags on facebook.....maybe Ghaddafi simply needs to logon more and he would be ok.

Oh yea, and his kids and grandkids would still be alive.
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The US taxpayer has been plundered for the benefit of many other nations many times over. We are the number one donor to UN.


Here's a workup of official foreign aid from US to other countries
www.vaughns-1-pagers.com...

Now, this does not include personal donations to charitable organizations like the Red Cross

The Prez wants 1.5 Billion for Egypt alone.
blogs.forbes.com...

And this is where it gets really diabolical, we do not know what kind of State Egypt is going to become. I believe that it was intended all along by this admin and World Socialists to start all these revolutions and turn these countries into Socialist states. All this seems to just fly by without even a word, while NATO bombs Libya. And where does it come from? Yep, your pocket, that is if you pay taxes. But it is also in the form of a hidden tex when inflation hits after the Fed prints money to pay for this stuff.

So why are we doling out money in aid to poor people in foreign countries while going bankrupt????

U.S. foreign aid has a variety of goals. Among them, lifting people out of poverty, promoting democracy and economic stability worldwide, and bolstering strategic alliances. According to the government’s user-friendly Web site, www.foreignassistance.gov, Uncle Sam doles out “more than $58 billion a year in foreign assistance through more than 20 agencies.” More than half of that, roughly $37 billion, is managed by the State Department and USAID.


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posted on May, 1 2011 @ 01:52 AM
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Originally posted by JohnnyWarbucks

Originally posted by wonderworld

Originally posted by JohnnyWarbucks
HA! Good. I like it. Drinking one for NATO! Our celestial ministers of death are closing in on Gaddafi, he wanted to fight to the death and he'll get it.
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If he waved a white flag do you think we should still kill him?

Not officially. We could accept his exile along with his family and then his plane accidentally crashes killing all on board. However given the current circumstances it's highly probable he'll die by an air strike. He's the one that decided to open fire and kill his own people. He also authorized the use of cluster munitions into residential neighborhoods.
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How about the rebels waging genocide on black africans in Libya? What is their fate huh?



posted on May, 1 2011 @ 01:53 AM
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remember waco
ruby ridge
kent state?
I here the swat tuffie that shot Randy Wheeler's wife got a raise

The Browns and the IRS

hell
who was it killed gadafi's children?

guess who's got to go?
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posted on May, 1 2011 @ 01:59 AM
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Originally posted by annella
I for one hope Gaddafi IS targeted and gotten rid of one way or another. Regardless of talk about the US's interests....the man is killing his own people, he became ' ruler ' by undemocratic means, he milks his country of wealth that should be shared with his people, he IS a terrorist himself, and as far as his grandchildren? Any grandfather worth his salt would have had precious family members sent far away from sites of conflict.
He deserves anything thrown at him.

End of rant. ( and I never mentioned Lockerbie..)

If you are in fact a New Zealander, you illustrate my point perfectly, about the slavish abasement before all things American that most New Zealanders do!
Gotten, honestly!
Either you're not a New Zealander, you're under 20 and echoing what your bf told you, or you're just not terribly bright...



posted on May, 1 2011 @ 03:14 AM
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Hah, just as I predicted. Really not surprising, but the after fact may or may not be a shocker.



posted on May, 1 2011 @ 03:20 AM
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By your logic, ALL world leaders bilk their people out of wealth, murder them and win by undemocratic means.

Don't you know? Politicians are evil.

I'm sorry, but the reasons you listed do not justify an US/NATO invasion.



posted on May, 1 2011 @ 03:20 AM
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Pray for peace, but plan for war.



posted on May, 1 2011 @ 03:24 AM
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Pray for peace, PLAN for PEACE.

The world is mad and this is why we're all going to hell.



posted on May, 1 2011 @ 03:37 AM
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Gadaffi is a good and brave man, and the cowerds that attack him, are nothing more then pig sh*t, compared to him.



posted on May, 1 2011 @ 03:46 AM
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Originally posted by CarlitosAmsel
Gadaffi is a good and brave man, and the cowerds that attack him, are nothing more then pig sh*t, compared to him.


Hes a terrorist that has killed thousands in his time, given bombs and funding to the IRA and planted the lockerbie bomber, hes also been killing his own people with bombs and tanks, his own soldiers have even admitted that, what kind of "man" is this?? i call this more like an animal, along with the other animals that can justify killing people and going to war, ie NATO.. there all a bunch of ruthless twats.

"war is not about whos right or wrong, its about whos left at the end"

The day we can live in a world of peace, without mindless killing and greed, that is the day when you will see a world of brave men and women.
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posted on May, 1 2011 @ 03:50 AM
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Ah well, next time they might just get Gadaffi. I don't see why Nato are waiting so long and using so many resources trying to "legally" make this silly man leave and yet more and more of the Libyan citizens are being slaughtered.



posted on May, 1 2011 @ 03:59 AM
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Originally posted by wlasikiewicz
reply to post by Itop1
 


Ah well, next time they might just get Gadaffi. I don't see why Nato are waiting so long and using so many resources trying to "legally" make this silly man leave and yet more and more of the Libyan citizens are being slaughtered.


You are probably an American, arent you, or at least from one of the anglo-american countries? Otherwise you might not be filled the way you are, with the propaganda BS of your media. You probably have no clue, what Gadaffi has done for his country and his people and you are blind of the Terrorism your own country is spreading through out the world?



posted on May, 1 2011 @ 03:59 AM
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This is what pisses me off about these "operations" ... #1 , I don't agree with Gaddafi's family being killed... but I do understand WHY it was done. I'm not a fan of "collateral damage" or civilian casualties , I'm not an "End justifies the means" guy either... that being said here's the game, that everyone plays but nobody talks about.

Why don't we just assasinate him? the quick and easy is , we're not allowed to.... BUT , If he just HAPPENS to be in a building that we drop a Paveway into or put a tomahawk through the front door of and by chance he were to sustain injuries that were incompatible with life during said Raytheon induced explosion... we can always say... "Oops, we didn't know he was there with his family, or the HUMINT we received did not place him there at that time" Plausible deniability.

Not that I agree with it, but if its gotta be done, do it old school... a Single 160gr Boat tail in the T... put the word out there... If you play games..... we will kill you. No need for all of the civilian casualties, and damaged infrastructure.. BUT that'll never happen... Because that boat tail costs $1.87 and your average price of a Tomahawk is $1,000,000 (Give or take $400,000 depending on model) ... The military industrial complex won't run if we don't use up our weapons silly
So far we've used up about $130,000,000 worth of Raytheon's Finest in this "non war". Maybe that and the AWESOME TAX BREAKS THEY GET will keep Raytheon, GE, General Dynamics, Northrop and the rest of the weapons manufacturers in the black until armageddon.

Don't forget, In times of peace, these guys make less money... we can only store so many weapons and show so many on paper during each fiscal year... If the Pentagon doesn't spend all of their money, defense spending would get reduced...Use it or lose it. So.... During times we are not actually at war, we'll be in operations somewhere , fighting a war on something... dropping bombs on poor people. I wonder when the CEO's watch the footage on CNN if they hear the Cha-Ching!! , of a cash register everytime they see an explosion?



posted on May, 1 2011 @ 04:01 AM
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Originally posted by wlasikiewicz
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Ah well, next time they might just get Gadaffi. I don't see why Nato are waiting so long and using so many resources trying to "legally" make this silly man leave and yet more and more of the Libyan citizens are being slaughtered.


Ah well, next time "they" might get you. Dont scream when you find that someone has slipped an explosive devise under your ars...- Human life is cheap. Its people like you, with comments like yours, that make it cheap.



posted on May, 1 2011 @ 04:08 AM
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Originally posted by EyesWideShut
This is what pisses me off about these "operations" ... #1 , I don't agree with Gaddafi's family being killed... but I do understand WHY it was done. I'm not a fan of "collateral damage" or civilian casualties , I'm not an "End justifies the means" guy either... that being said here's the game, that everyone plays but nobody talks about.

Why don't we just assasinate him? the quick and easy is , we're not allowed to.... BUT , If he just HAPPENS to be in a building that we drop a Paveway into or put a tomahawk through the front door of and by chance he were to sustain injuries that were incompatible with life during said Raytheon induced explosion... we can always say... "Oops, we didn't know he was there with his family, or the HUMINT we received did not place him there at that time" Plausible deniability.

Not that I agree with it, but if its gotta be done, do it old school... a Single 160gr Boat tail in the T... put the word out there... If you play games..... we will kill you. No need for all of the civilian casualties, and damaged infrastructure.. BUT that'll never happen... Because that boat tail costs $1.87 and your average price of a Tomahawk is $1,000,000 (Give or take $400,000 depending on model) ... The military industrial complex won't run if we don't use up our weapons silly
So far we've used up about $130,000,000 worth of Raytheon's Finest in this "non war". Maybe that and the AWESOME TAX BREAKS THEY GET will keep Raytheon, GE, General Dynamics, Northrop and the rest of the weapons manufacturers in the black until armageddon.

Don't forget, In times of peace, these guys make less money... we can only store so many weapons and show so many on paper during each fiscal year... If the Pentagon doesn't spend all of their money, defense spending would get reduced...Use it or lose it. So.... During times we are not actually at war, we'll be in operations somewhere , fighting a war on something... dropping bombs on poor people. I wonder when the CEO's watch the footage on CNN if they hear the Cha-Ching!! , of a cash register everytime they see an explosion?



So you like people to be murderd, "the quick an easy way". Prepare for this hen to come back to your home and lay its egg right into your lap. With statements like this you loosen up the moral that sais "You shall not kill"..
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posted on May, 1 2011 @ 04:08 AM
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Originally posted by CarlitosAmsel

Originally posted by wlasikiewicz
reply to post by Itop1
 


Ah well, next time they might just get Gadaffi. I don't see why Nato are waiting so long and using so many resources trying to "legally" make this silly man leave and yet more and more of the Libyan citizens are being slaughtered.


Ah well, next time "they" might get you. Dont scream when you find that someone has slipped an explosive devise under your ars...- Human life is cheap. Its people like you, with comments like yours, that make it cheap.


Comments make life cheap? Sentences make life cheap? I guess the 1st Amendment makes life cheap. Damn it!

The only life you have the insight and knowledge of to call cheap, is none but your own.



Originally posted by CarlitosAmsel
So you like people to be murderd, "the quick an easy way". Prpare for this hen to come back to your home and lay its egg right into your lap..


All is fair in love and war. The dictator murdered his people "quick and easy"...so yeah, why not?

Oh, and that was very *snicker* fowl of you to say.
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posted on May, 1 2011 @ 04:13 AM
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Indeed the cowboys love to show off what they have.
And yet they are like Uncle Scrooge when it comes to supplying troops in war with enough ammunition. Apparently each bullet is accounted for and there definately isn't a never ending supply.



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