Nato strike 'kills Saif al-Arab Gaddafi', Libya says

Originally posted by annella
he milks his country of wealth that should be shared with his people,

Hmmm, you're a kiwi, does NZ share its money with you? The US doesn't share it's money with me (in fact around April 15th they take even more of mine), so I'm guessing that you guys in New Zealand have it differently. And the kitty gets passed around, so to speak.

Originally posted by JohnnyWarbucks
HA! Good. I like it. Drinking one for NATO! Our celestial ministers of death are closing in on Gaddafi, he wanted to fight to the death and he'll get it.

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If he waved a white flag do you think we should still kill him?

Originally posted by wonderworld

Yes I did mean hear at ATS wanting peace and not worldwide. I have had some heated debates on here with a couple Muslims who hoped the US would get blown off the face of the earth though. There are many on here also who don’t want peace. Their hatred runs too deep. No one on this thread though. We all have deep feelings for our Countries and Religions. It's easy to get heated over such topics.

Indeed it is, but like I said in another thread (one FILLED with hate and intolerance by the way) I quote:

; at the core all we HAVE is our principles and our values.

You know what's funny is, we keep trying to impose (the US) our will on other sovereign nations and ironically, the reason people WANT to come to the US (or wanted to) was because we WERE different; because we WERE tolerant and not tyrannical, and now look at this? So yes, I would fight to keep this nonsense away from ANYONE, whether it be on ATS, or anywhere in the US.

The reason for this was simple, I could not believe I was hearing these things from other Americans.

Originally posted by wonderworld

Originally posted by JohnnyWarbucks
HA! Good. I like it. Drinking one for NATO! Our celestial ministers of death are closing in on Gaddafi, he wanted to fight to the death and he'll get it.

edit on 1-5-2011 by JohnnyWarbucks because: (no reason given)

If he waved a white flag do you think we should still kill him?

Not officially. We could accept his exile along with his family and then his plane accidentally crashes killing all on board. However given the current circumstances it's highly probable he'll die by an air strike. He's the one that decided to open fire and kill his own people. He also authorized the use of cluster munitions into residential neighborhoods.

Originally posted by Vitchilo
reply to post by Konah

 

Trump in 2013... Hello Kim Jong Il! Welcome! BAM! YOU'RE FIRED!

edit on 30-4-2011 by Vitchilo because: (no reason given)

Trump will be worse than Obama and Bush. The way he brags about his businesses as some kinda flawless sacred entity, indicates that he's a totalitarian.

Americans should not vote for a devil like Trump, unless they want a more police state country.

Originally posted by annella
I for one hope Gaddafi IS targeted and gotten rid of one way or another. Regardless of talk about the US's interests....the man is killing his own people, he became ' ruler ' by undemocratic means, he milks his country of wealth that should be shared with his people, he IS a terrorist himself, and as far as his grandchildren? Any grandfather worth his salt would have had precious family members sent far away from sites of conflict.
He deserves anything thrown at him.

End of rant. ( and I never mentioned Lockerbie..)

Was this milking of the country and not sharing wealth with the people your talking about have anything to do with his Great Man Made River Project, turning desert into farming land, universal healthcare etc.?

From your post I have concluded that you are okay with the deaths because you see it as neglect of Gadaffi that endangered them in the first place. As that is naive, cruel and ill informed , I will ignore all further posts from you until you do some research into the good works Gadaffi has done.
There is no greater terroist family then the Bushes. At no point did Grandfather Bush have to hide his grandkids out of the country. edit --> There is most likely no other terroist family that is as well known and successfully avoided punishment of warcrimes.

**FYI ---> Nato claims that the attacks were to protect civillians from Gadaffi's plans. Only civillians were injured. UN mandate says that airstrikes must not endager civillians. Connect the dots

This sounds like IRAQ all over again! Remember when Saddams son was killed in his mansion? If the Libyans are going to act they, need to act very swiftly.

Originally posted by moonpie86


Also, I'm fairly sure stumason isn't a disinfo agent.

I am fair sure that he is not a disinfo agent as I have checked out his other threads and posts, and I will restate that I find his opinions very informative. However, he doesn't leave much room for others opinions does he?

As for wouldnt disinfo agents go elsewhere? Um? No. They don't need to confuse the masses on facebook, its already done

They need to be here to make us avoid the truth and seem even nuttier then we should.

edit on 30-4-2011 by moonpie86 because: (no reason given)

I hadn't come across Stumason until this thread as far as I know, but from what I have seen of his posts here, if he's a disinfo agent, I would not be surprised!
It reminds me of how on h2g2 in 2002-3, a supposed Scots diplomat who "knew stuff" kept kicking arse and taking names of those of us who opposed the American invasion of Iraq, and using his supposed secret knowledge to further all the WMD, plastic shredder and general anti-Saddam stories.
V.

Originally posted by BattleFieldPredator
Damnnn.. Missed... Oh well, there is always tomorrow

 

Posted Via ATS Mobile: m.abovetopsecret.com

 

....technology don't u luv it when it doesn't work...

Originally posted by Vicky32

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
I hope that everyone responsible for this war dies a slow and horrible death and that everything they touch makes them miserable. And then, I hope when they die, they have full awareness of how wrong it is to kill other humans beings out of greed.

Seconded!
You're 100% correct...
Vicky

Wouldnt that be the Rebels?

Originally posted by Vitchilo
reply to post by Konah

 

I'm glad you are buying all the media hype about this man and think it's okay to murder his grandchildren.

It's not okay to murder his grand children, but his sons are scum like him.

how the vast majority of the Libyan people support their leader.

Because they are being bombed. The vast majority of Libyans are not in Gaddafi's tribe, they hate his guts for what he has done, he's a totalitarian war criminal.

The rebels are not all like Gaddafi, some of them probably are.

whats ur source?...still buying into main stream media bull#...

This may be a simplistic perspective, but I think if I had half the world bearing down on me, I would step down to get my family out of harm's way. Protecting them would take priority over all else.

May those children rest in peace.

I think some of you are getting Saif Al Arab confused with Saif Al Islam, who was to take over the "family business". Al Arab was known to spend most of his time partying , and was considered the least threatening. He was a student. Total scum yup wonder how much blood he had on his hands? Enough to warrant having his family murdered?

Originally posted by BattleFieldPredator
Reply to post by Vitchilo

 

The media hipe huh? Go visit lockerbie and say that. Or maybe a trip to mezerahta to share that view and lets time how long your head stays on

.

 

Posted Via ATS Mobile: m.abovetopsecret.com

 

wat about lockerbie...the british let go of the main suspect...becos british petroleum wanted to drill in libya..so whose the villain ...the terrorists or the untrustable politicians

Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
reply to post by Itop1

 

S&F

i'd promised myself i'd stop doing this but...:



This Libya business just gets more and more disgusting.
i think it should be obvious by now that whatever his faults qadaffi is an enemy of the NWO.
they've been picking off his family for quite awhile, today TCOTBIP targeted and murdered another of his sons and 3 of his grandchildren, mean while the us envoy to the un is doing a colin powell with some BS claiming qadaffi is handing out viagra to the troops so they can go on a nationwide rape spree

if i were 20 yrs younger, i'd be paying mr qadaffi a a very informative visit

instead i'll just post the following and hope somebody will pass it on:

there are catalysts that will convert petroleum into fertilizer just pump enough into the oil deposits via the oil wells
and turn it all into fertilizer.
that and the Great Man-Made River Project are all you need to win the war and accomplish your dream of a united africa as north africa's deserts bloom.


Virtually unknown in the West: Libya's water resources. The real reason for toppling Quadaffi?

.In the 1960s during oil exploration deep in the southern Libyan desert, vast reservoirs of high quality water were discovered in the form of aquifers. ... ...In Libya there are four major underground basins, these being the Kufra basin, the Sirt basin, the Morzuk basin and the Hamada basin, the first three of which contain combined reserves of 35,000 cubic kilometres of water. These vast reserves offer almost unlimited amounts of water for the Libyan people.

Under the giant scheme, water is pumped from aquifers under the Sahara in the southern part of the country, where underground water resources extend into Egypt and Sudan. Then the water is transported by reinforced concrete pipeline to northern destinations. Construction on the first phase started in 1984, and cost about $5 billion. The completed project may total $25 billion. South Korean construction experts built the huge pipes in Libya by some of the most modern techniques. The engineering feat involves collecting water from 270 wells in east central Libya, and transporting it through about 2,000 kilometers of pipeline to Benghazi and Sirte. The new ``river'' brings 2 million cubic meters of water a day. At completion, the system will involve 4,000 kilometers of pipepines, and two aqueducts of some 1,000 kilometers.

Joining in celebrating the inauguration of the artificial river were dozens of Arab and African heads of state and hundreds of other foreign diplomats and delegations. Among them were Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, King Hassan of Morocco, the head of Sudan, Gen. Omar El Beshir, and Djibouti's President Hassan Julied. Col. Muammar Qaddafi told the celebrants:

``After this achievement, American threats against Libya will double.... The United States will make excuses, [but] the real reason is to stop this achievement, to keep the people of Libya oppressed.'' Qaddafi presented the project to the cheering crowd as a gift to the Third World.

Mubarak spoke at the ceremony and stressed the regional importance of the project. Qaddafi has called on Egyptian farmers to come and work in Libya, where there are only 4 million inhabitants. Egypt's population of 55 million is crowded in narrow bands along the Nile River and delta region. Over the last 20 years, the water improvement projects envisioned for Egypt, which could provide more water and more hectares of agricultural and residential land, have been repeatedly sabotaged by the International Monetary Fund and World Bank, and the Anglo-American financial interests behind them.

PROPAGANDA is a weapon of war and not just political control, people, and many seem to be the losers on these Libya threads.

not to mention the usual bots,dupes and disinfo-spreaders both conscious and unconscious,

the last thing the West wants is a United Africa, no more cheap or nearly free resources and no more toxic waste dump[Somalia] and no more bio-warfare testing on the continent of the greatest human genetic variability if that should happen. TCOTBIP having planning to commit genocide in Africa for a very long time.

cause it's not about the oil its about keeping africa in the stone age: a continental somalia they can rape for resources without paying and a free toxic waste dump as well.

kissingers african genocide policy:
Kissinger plan to transform North Africa and Middle East into Turkmenistan forum.prisonplanet.com...
depopulation_linked_merck_pharma_announces_africa_plan www.infowars.com...
article
www.schillerinstitute.org...
kissingers memo[1974]:
wlym.com...

2 excellent threads that cut trough the BS by ATS member Boondock-Saint:

Obama provides air cover for terrorists who killed Americans in Iraq, www.abovetopsecret.com...
Gadhaffi funded Sarkozy's French Presidential Campaign?? www.abovetopsecret.com...

in response to those claiming qadaffi is hated by his people:

How was Libya doing under the rule of Gadaffi? How bad did the people have it? Were they oppressed as we now commonly accept as fact? Let us look at the facts for a moment.

Before the chaos erupted, Libya had a lower incarceration rate than the Czech republic. It ranked 61st. Libya had the lowest infant mortality rate of all of Africa. Libya had the highest life expectancy of all of Africa. Less than 5% of the population was undernourished. In response to the rising food prices around the world, the government of Libya abolished ALL taxes on food.People in Libya were rich. Libya had the highest gross domestic product (GDP) at purchasing power parity (PPP) per capita of all of Africa. The government took care to ensure that everyone in the country shared in the wealth. Libya had the highest Human Development Index of any country on the continent. The wealth was distributed equally. In Libya, a lower percentage of people lived below the poverty line than in the Netherlands.

How does Libya get so rich? The answer is oil. The country has a lot of oil, and does not allow foreign corporations to steal the resources while the population starves, unlike countries like Nigeria, a country that is basically run by Shell.

Like any country, Libya suffers from a government with corrupt bureaucrats that try to gain a bigger portion of the pie at the cost of everyone else. In response to this, Kadaffi called for the oil revenue to be distributed directly to the people, because in his opinion, the government was failing the people. However, unlike the article claims, Kadaffi is not the president of Libya. In fact he holds no official position in the government. This is the big mistake that people make. They claim that Kadaffi rules over Libya when in fact he doesn't, his position is more or less ceremonial. He should be compared to a founding father.

The true leader of Libya is an indirectly elected prime-minister. The current prime-minister is
Baghdadi Mahmudi. Calling Khadaffi the leader of Libya is comparable to calling Akihito the leader of Japan. Contrary to what your media is sketching, opinions in Libya vary. Some people support Gadaffi but want Mahmudi out. Others want both out. Many just want to live their life in peace. However, effort is taken to sketch the appearance of a popular revolt against the supposed leader of Libya, Gadaffi, when in fact he is just the architect of Libya's current political system, a mixture of pan-Arabism, socialism, and Islamic government.

Are the protesters in Libya comparable to the protesters in Egypt and Tunisia? Not at all. The governments reaction is more violent, and obviously excessive violence is being used. However let us look for a moment at the actions of the protesters. The building of the the general people's congress, the parliament of Libya, was put on fire by angry protestors. This is comparable to protesters putting the United States Capitol on fire. Do you think that for even a moment the US government would sit idly by as protesters put the US capitol on fire?


Great Britain funded an Al Qaeda cell in Libya, in an attempt to assassinate Gadaffi. The main opposition group in Libya now is the National Front for the Salvation of Libya. This opposition group is being funded by Saudi Arabia, the CIA, and French Intelligence. This group unified itself with other opposition groups, to become the National Conference for the Libyan Opposition. It was this organization that called for the "Day of Rage" that plunged Libya into chaos on February 17 of this year.

It did this in Benghazi, a conservative city that has always been opposed to Gadaffi's rule. It should be noted that the National Front for the Salvation of Libya is well armed. In 1996 the group tried to unleash a revolution in the eastern part of Libya before. It used the Libyan National Army, the armed division of the NFSL to begin this failed uprising.

Why is the United States so opposed to Gadaffi? He is the main threat to US hegemony in Africa, because he attempts to unite the continent against the United States. This concept is called the United States of Africa. In fact, Gadaffi holds all sorts of ideas that are contrary to US interests. The man blames the United States government for the creation of HIV. He claims that Israel is behind the assasination of Martin Luther King and president John. F. Kennedy. He says that the 9/11 hijackers were trained in the US. He also urged Libyans to donate blood to Americans after 9/11. Khadaffi is also the last of a generation of moderate socialist pan-Arab revolutionaries that is still in power, after Nasser and Hussein have been eliminated, and Syria has aligned itself with Iran.The United States and Israel however have no interest in a strong Arab world. In fact it seems that elementary to the plan is bringing Libya to its knees through chaos and anarchy. In late 2010, the United Kingdom was still propping up the Libyan government through lucrative arms sales. Nothing is a better guarantee to destroy Libya than a bloody civil war. The tribal system that is still strong in Libya is useful to exploit to generate such a war since Libya has historically been divided into various tribal groups.

This is also why the Libyan government responds by importing mercenaries. Tribal allegiances go before allegiance to the government, especially in Benghazi, and thus the central government has no control over the eastern part of the country anymore. The alternative to mercenaries is a conflict between the various ethnic groups. Gadaffi has tried for 41 years to make the country more homogeneous, but opposition groups funded by outside forced will take little more than a few days to put the country back into the 19th century, before the region was conquered and unified by Europeans. The violence is indeed excessive, but everyone seems to forget that the situation is not the same as in Tunis and Egypt. Tribal ties play a far greater role, and thus the conflict will unfortunately be bloodier.

edit on 30-4-2011 by DerepentLEstranger because: added edit

This comment cannot be posted enough times. I cannot believe how many people on this board think ghaddafi is a dictator. Don't dictators have to hold some kind of power?The video below shows how these rebels were already armed with brand new western weapons from day 1..funny how they always say they are poorly equiped when they actually have better guns than the libyan army does. There is also no way these weapons were stolen from the libyan army because the libyan army doesn't have these weapons and can't get them due to sanctions

www.youtube.com...

reply to post by Reaching



If you had half the world after you, would you send the children away from where you could protect them? When you are fighting oppresors and teaching your children to stand up for their rights, would you hide them underground?
Would you ever visit them? What if you are followed? You probably shouldn't visit them just in case you are followed. How long do you keep your children hidden underground? Who is hidden with them? Do you know them personally? Can you be certain they will be kept safe?
You can never be certain your children will be safe, you can only be certain that while they were alive they lived well.
It is so easy to say what other parents/grandparents should do in situations, harder when you actually start considering all the circumstances.

reply to post by moonpie86


Regardless of who is right and who is wrong, he should have stepped down to protect his family. From my perspective, there is nothing more important than family.

It's terribly sad that children have died.

Originally posted by alphabetaone
reply to post by Vicky32

 

Vicky,

We (the US) it seems simply won't be happy until we plunder all of the worlds resources, and that includes other peoples minds I guess.

You know, I did my 20 in the service, and because of that, when people are around me, they automatically assume that I gratuitously approve of everything the Military machine here does. But, I will say this, when I first went in, in '83, let me tell you, there WAS honor on that battlefield....now, the honor seems to be being guided by number of friend tags on facebook.....maybe Ghaddafi simply needs to logon more and he would be ok.

Oh yea, and his kids and grandkids would still be alive.

edit on 1-5-2011 by alphabetaone because: (no reason given)

Thank you alphabetaone for your comments.
You have really helped my faith in human nature!
Vicky

reply to post by Itop1


There will be no need to retaliate for this. This will create the worst propaganda NATO and the west could ever imagine. This was a royal screw up. This will inflame Muslim hatred for Obama and the west to a level we can't imagine. The NATO leaders will not be harmed by this, they like Gaddafi are virtually untouchable. The people of the NATO nations will be the targets. This might not have been the exact plan of Soros and the NWO puppeteers but they will make lemonade from these lemons. As for Barry the "Baby Killer" Obama, he was looking for a legacy, I for one knew they would eventually throw him under the bus. Obama and GWB are 10th cousins once removed. Close but not close enough.

Originally posted by forall2see
This is scary folks. I feel as if this move from "NATO" has made my family a direct target of retaliatory attacks. I don't like it one bit. We, here in the US should REALLY be thinking of what's to come for the sake of the ones we love and beyond.

Of course Libya has the ability to launch a strike against us.... they have science too. To deny this is ignorant.... we should all be fending for ourselves now that TPTB have made the situation as such.

It's bad news, I know. But really....... no bueno!

Yes, this is NATO led strike. The whole tihng is UN and Obama just went with it because he's a UN puppet.