Originally posted by Konah
I'm glad you are buying all the media hype about this man and think it's okay to murder his grandchildren. You should go educate yourself on what he
does and has done for his people, who the rebels are and what they've done, and how the vast majority of the Libyan people support their leader.
Amazing that ATS members overwhelmingly support your POV, but then again ATS is one of the biggest bastions of conspiratorial simplemindedness in the
world (although there are many intelligent posters as well).
There is so much wrong with your post that it's difficult to know where to begin. Your voice is that of a legion of Youtube commenters and conspiracy
theorists the world over.
Anyone who offers any words of support for Gaddafi is clearly very ignorant not only in regard to Libyan history, but world history as well. Gaddafi
is as true a dictator as there ever was. A man who exploited his country's resources to become one of the richest and most powerful men in the world.
A man who brutally suppressed free speech against him for generations and who ruled Libya with an iron fist, bestowing great benefits amongst his
tribe the Gaddafa and family members. His sons routinely partied in foreign countries as socialites with the rich and famous as people struggled to
survive and make ends meet.
I am glad his son is dead. I am glad his grandchildren are dead. This man has personally ordered the deaths of tens of thousands at least with no
remorse whatsoever. He is insanely manipulative and incessantly delusional and would rather see the world around him burn before he gives up power. He
has also freely sponsored serious terrorist attacks against other countries.
Anyone who has done any research on current events knows why he is in this predicament. As more peaceful revolutions in the Middle East carried on,
Gaddafi crushed his people with an iron fist. But people continued to protest peacefully, it was only after so many were killed and the government
started to split did protestors take arms up against their unjust ruler.
If American citizens were killed en masse protesting against their government, would you stand idly by and accept it? When Americans took up arms
against that injustice would you say the government is right to murder them because they are no longer "citizens" but rather "revolutionaries?" So
incredibly naive your viewpoint is that it truly troubles me.
Granted Libya was a more modern country and controlled (free of Muslim extremists as well) thanks to Gaddafi, but a dictator does maintain great
order. We didn't decide to depose him after we wanted their oil or anything, hell, we had a great deal with Gaddafi with heads of state visiting him
and investing billions in Libya's economy.
We took up arms against him after the Arab League begged us, after human rights organizations begged us, after the United Nations begged us, and after
many Libyans begged us...Gaddafi's ruthless crackdown was unprecedented in this Arab Spring and our reaction was morally a justifiable decision.
Why not Syria? Why not Bahrain? Well simply put we cannot intervene everywhere for many resources, so we need to choose wisely. With all the attention
on Libya and everyone calling for us to help, it made sense for it to be Libya. Cries of hypocrisy are illogical due to circumstances, resources, and
Also your vast generalization of the rebels is juvenile. The "rebels" are people who decided they had enough. They are not all Muslim extremists. A
good portion are middle class business owners and professionals, oppressed people of Cyraenica, exiled Libyans, relatives of those killed and
oppressed by Gaddafi, etc.
The fact that you support Gaddafi in a way is sickening of how far some conspiracy theorists will go to hate on the West despite all logical evidence.
I despise America's injustices as much as the next person. The Drug War is a violation of rights that has no logical basis, the invasion of Iraq was
entirely unfounded, many social institutions in the country are broken and corrupt...but I try to be unbiased and acknowledge when we do the right
thing, and I think we did it. Sure it might be a long battle, but humanitarian intervention should be an aim of the modern world. To think that we are
there causing massive instability and criticism for their paltry oil (which we were already getting before...duh) is cynical and illogical.
And your comment that the vast majority of Libyans support Gaddafi is laughable. Gaddafi clearly has outsmarted a few members here. Libya is
tribal-based and many in Gaddafi's tribe have a lot to lose if Gaddafi falls, the same with his family. Sirte, Sabha, and other cities have strong
ties to Gaddafi due to his enrichment and benefits for them. But even within Tripolitania there is widespread disdain for him. Look at Misurata,
Libya's third largest city. Look at the Berber regions southwest of Tripoli that despise him. Look at pretty much all of eastern Libya and Cyrenaica,
including Libya's second largest city of Benghazi.
Gaddafi has people left fighting for him because many are fearful of either the instability no Gaddafi will bring (or for their lives if they
disagree) or because they benefit from their support of him. Additionally Gaddafi has played up anti-colonialist sentiments, faked murder scenes, and
spread massive propaganda as to who the rebels are in order to secure himself as the defender of Libya and painting a picture of the 1980s bombing of
Tripoli and prior to that the Italian occupation. He even pays people for show demonstrations in support of him.
The fact that you think otherwise proves how effective Gaddafi is on those simpleminded ideologies of cynicism and conspiracism.
Shame on you and shame on ATS and the human race that such statements not only gain traction but are widely endorsed by the community as truth when
the reality belies that generalization almost perfectly.