Wisconsin : FIGHT BACK !

reply to post by hapablab


Try staying on topic next time. This isn't a character assassination thread.

Funny how you ignore what people are doing because you don't like the media figures that are backing them up.

What illegal wars? Obamas current war on Libya? Our military budget accounts for 18.74% of our total budget our social programs currently account for over 56% of our budget,where do you think the most savings can be found?

Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by hapablab

 

Try staying on topic next time. This isn't a character assassination thread.

Funny how you ignore what people are doing because you don't like the media figures that are backing them up.

I am on the topic, the problem is that you choose not to accept the big picture, hence you skim the waters of this topic, typical for a liberal.

Also, what media figures are backing them up? if your gonna say that back it up please :-)

lets face it these new republicans seem to want to take the world back into a state of fuedalism but instead of barons it will be c.e.o.'s.
instead of democracy it will be one huge global zaibatsu.

Originally posted by nickoli
What illegal wars? Obamas current war on Libya? Our military budget accounts for 18.74% of our total budget our social programs currently account for over 56% of our budget,where do you think the most savings can be found?

We are fighting in Afghaistan and Iraq right now, you may have forgotten. Why are we there again? And yes, Libya too. They are all illegal, and a waste.

Also, in your rush to obscure facts, you leave out the numbers....18.74% sounds like barely anything!! But thats over 3/4 of a TRILLION dollars. The way you guys make it sound, everyone except you is a lazy crack addict on welfare, filling every corner with Escalades with 4 12s and 22 inch rims, getting rich off of Uncle Sugar, when in reality people are getting stabbed over $20 or the jacket they are wearing, not because humans are turning into senseless monsters worse than we ever have been (ever heard of getting medieval?), but because its rough out there and getting worse.

Your threads seem full of Obama bashing, and right/left warfare. You still arent getting it. I dont know what I can do to help you. Keep fighting against your own best interests. Keep being a corporate slave, and licking the boots of those that allow you their table scraps.

Originally posted by hapablab

Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by hapablab

 

Try staying on topic next time. This isn't a character assassination thread.

Funny how you ignore what people are doing because you don't like the media figures that are backing them up.

I am on the topic, the problem is that you choose not to accept the big picture, hence you skim the waters of this topic, typical for a liberal.

Also, what media figures are backing them up? if your gonna say that back it up please :-)

edit on 25-3-2011 by hapablab because: (no reason given)

No, you werent on topic. But why bother to have any personal responsibility when you can just blame it all on a liberal?

reply to post by Whereweheaded


Very well thought out reply.

reply to post by underduck


It's the people against enormous wealth and ages old propaganda.

Originally posted by collectacon
reply to post by Whereweheaded

 

Very well thought out reply.

Whats sad is he got so many stars...thats the level of discourse in this country, I shouldnt be shocked that people are so easy to deceive.

reply to post by aching_knuckles


Many people have great character and are very responsible. It is impossible to fight royal lineages and immense wealth. Please understand I mean you no disrespect.

reply to post by watcher3339


way to go corporate boot licker..

"oh yes sir mr CEO, i have my knee pads right here", "can i thank you once again for providing me a job that allows me to keep helping you get richer?"

Originally posted by aching_knuckles

Actually, they do. They do this every single minute of every single day. You obviously just do not understand how fractional reserve banking and corporate subsidies work.

I dont know how I can make this simpler for you to understand. I wish I could help you. Here, I will try.

The banks and large companies are stealing your tax money. Not republicans, not Democrats, not liberals or conservatives, because they are all the same thing. Beautiful things you should have, like large parks, clean cities, a retirement, free health and dental care, things that could have been paid for 20 times over, have been stolen from you. The money has been used to fund illegal wars and occupations, death and misery, illegal counterfeiting, and served to enrich a very select few. They have stolen your money, used it for their own gain, and have brainwashed you into helping them do it. I dont know how much simpler I can make it.

I think that it is you who are confused. You are seeking to expand the federal government (to administrate these "beautiful things"; ah, the glittering generalities that are planned) when it is they who are embezzling our taxes to give to their corporate supporters in the first place. You did not show me where Shell (a Dutch corp in a social democratic country) or BP (British, the same) or BofA or Kraft Foods are directly garnishing my wages. As of now, except for when the Congress steals from something like Social Security to give to SEIU or BP or BofA, these corporations get very little from me, if anything at all. I still have a choice and I exercise it, passionately.
Government was never meant to provide those things in the first place. Of course, government is doing a lot of things it was never meant to do, but let's not make it worse.

Most of us know where the filth and decay comes from (even when "development" happens) and throwing money at it can't fix it. Health care has *never* been free, unless you count the "Free Clinic"s of the hippie era or maybe Planned Parenthood. (this is a separate argument considering the greed and self entitlement of the medical profession. Even then, they were never literally free. Curiously, doctors/ dentists, clinics and hospitals were left out of the "sacrifice" inherent in "healthcare reform"). They will still have their Porsches and condos in Barbados and still be "silent partnering" fake businesses to dilute their taxes. Note that nurses- who actually *do* the work, don't have those things. That's because the former have the disposable income to donate heavily to politics.
I note also that you fail to mention "foreign aid", speaking of 20...make that 200 times over. Often, it is neither necessary or simply throwing money down a black hole that can never be filled. It's blood money.
There are plenty of federal projects stealing money from the taxpayers- the war apparatus first, but I would bet you that, in total, the "benevolents" give the corporates a real good run for their money.

You can polish this poopie any way you like, but you can't conceal the agenda here. I'm not sure if I'd even give it a "nice try". There are a lot more people now, post Obama/ impeach Bush Cheney, who have seen both sides and most of us have recovered from the shock. There has been a vast overreach that won't be forgotten soon- if ever. Too many of us are lifelong, fully aware of the Communist Party and have been reminded not to let our friends, neighbors, or our kids, forget what it means.
Do you actually think that no one has access to the lists of corporate contributors who literally fund this agenda?
They wouldn't be doing it if they thought there wasn't something big down the road for them in it. I am not altogether sure sometimes if the corporation bogeyman isn't made out of straw. (Nah. They're just the straight man in the con)

Originally posted by psychederic
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Expensive lawyers replaced by cheaper software

A Robot Stole My Job: Automation in the Recession

Robot Domination – Look At The Making of a Memory Card

Robot Domination: Automated Factory Sorts, Seals, and Ships With Little Human Contact

No Humans, Just Robots – Amazing Videos of the Modern Factory

etc, etc, etc

WORK : DOES NOT EXIST ANYMORE

IF YOU DONT SHARE YOU DIE

IF YOU DONT UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE TO SHARE, AND DONT FIGHT BACK IN ORDER TO GET YOUR MONEY BACK

YOU DIE

this is not their money, this is the money for you human living being : just think they has A BIG DEBT TO YOU

They tried to take your lifes, and your money

take it back

the right way

...............................

The moment , you place robots instead of humans, the INCOME MUST BE SHARED to the human

Or just killed everybody

edit on 25-3-2011 by psychederic because: (no reason given)

Either you're 12 or your grammar has been effected by whatever psychedelics you're on kicking in . when I left the military I came out with a lot of electronics background so I went back to two-year tech college for "automation" I. E: ( Associates in electromechanical technology"). I am employable in any modern manufacturing facility ( that are left!)if I care to sell my paid for house with the detached shop outback And Move And join somebodies union...
See; "ROBOTS" ;! you adapt learn to fix the damn robot!.

I agree manufacturing line jobs are few and far between and "work" is nothing like it was a short 20 years ago. I see opportunity outside the corporations in this wonderful thing called the"web" I am investing my resources in myself in helping small local entrepreneurs staying in business through this "draw down" ( "rightsizing";."CRASH") we are experiencing..I'll never go back to pushing a toolbox around a hot noisy corporate plant filled with hot noisy bitchy operators.and clueless cubicle rats if I can help it even though I put in far far(did I say "far"?) more hours in the home office.for("far") less pay.
"Work" exists it's just changed its "coveralls"
Find a LOCAL need; and fill lt! (EVERTYTHING WILL BEGETTING MORE AND MORE LOCAL AS WE GO ON).. Paint houses. Set up an office cleaning business; Buy a decent rototiller and contract you and it out in the spring to roto till back yard gardens.(which are becoming more popular).

As high school kids my buddies pooled resources and bought a big stihl chain saw and cut any downed trees for the taking to sell cords of fire wood.; Mennonites here do commercial window cleaning businesses. 5 guys with straw hats; beards;buttoned down plaid shirts/overalls buckets ;squeegees; one community van; they get contracts from local retailers windows down town.Its not gonna' buy the new "hummer" but it's honest productive ( and needed) work. they fill a tiny niche at a reasonable fee .
I don't think its really necessary to rend the system to unrecognizable shreds and assume we could find and agree on one "uncorruptable" cadre to run the collective for our best interests.

We all may need to take a little less until the economy finds its new size,integrity and and backbone.

reply to post by 46ACE


Exactly. And even if it costs a little bit more, every small business we patronize is an investment that they'll be around to buy from again. It might be painfully slow (unless it catches on quick), but buying within your local area is a great way to undercut the "giants" and build our economy back from the ground up. Money does indeed, talk.

I stopped in at a local one -guy guitar shop today who recently moved locations to stay afloat: I don't really "play" but I'd like to play decently someday for my own enjoyment ; I like the personality of the owner.a real "one man band" entreprenuer: he teaches;sells new and used equipment; does set up and repair;loves most every minute.Theshop isthick with interesting wood smells from the acoustic guitars lining the wall("Aroma therapy" for men); I buy something from him when I get a few discretionary bucks to spend; even if I can'treally" play" past beginner level and know its cheaper on amazon.com.
Can't agree more:
Get to know your local small business entreprenuers they mostly still have a spark of life versus the slightly pissed glassy eyed ( "this job sux and I know it) corporate factory line to the friday night bar scene guys.

I'm watching John Stossel's"freeloading" special he starts with interviewing panhandlers ( hustlers) and gets into corporations so he covers the span. He interviews a young healthy girl with a "stranded" trying to make it home" sign and a sad story."begging" for change on the off ramp who lived in a house two blocks from the ramp. (we have them here regularly) One guy made $150 a day panhandling on good days. moral : We are a generous society:but handouts only beget more panhandlers while destroying their self esteem.

good post.
I wish them all the best of luck.

and when American troops start shooting them.
will the french plaines be the first to shoot them down?

Originally posted by nickoli
Post one shining example of a successful socialist society where there is liberty for the people. Just one.

All socialists in America should be bought a one way ticket to Cuba or Venzeula or any other socialist society they would like to relocate to.

edit on 3/25/11 by nickoli because: (no reason given)

Although I am not a Socialist (I am a Libertarian), I very much disagree with your statements.

Your society where people are deported for their opinions and political views is not successful nor sustainable either, and resembles a fascist dictatorship...for which there is no liberty for the people either.

reply to post by truther357


God, such replies make my stomach turn and my head spin.

THIS is what ATS has been reduced to? A pseudo-Red State (more like Red Baiting) site for the most ignorant people on the internet?

C'mon people. WAKE UP and LOOK at what they're doing in Wisconsin!

If you think they will stop at unions, you are very wrong! Your rights could very well be next!