Wisconsin : FIGHT BACK !

Dennis Kucinich speaking at Workers' Rights Rally in Madison, WI

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A message from Einstein in 1949

” * Modern anthropology has taught us, through comparative investigation of so-called primitive cultures, that the social behavior of human beings may differ greatly, depending upon prevailing cultural patterns and the types of organisation which predominate in society. It is on this that those who are striving to improve the lot of man may ground their hopes: human beings are not condemned, because of their biological constitution, to annihilate each other or to be at the mercy of a cruel, self-inflicted fate.

* The owner of the means of production is in a position to purchase the labor power of the worker. By using the means of production, the worker produces new goods which become the property of the capitalist. The essential point about this process is the relation between what the worker produces and what he is paid, both measured in terms of real value. In so far as the labor contract is free what the worker receives is determined not by the real value of the goods he produces, but by his minimum needs and by the capitalists’ requirements for labor power in relation to the number of workers competing for jobs. It is important to understand that even in theory the payment of the worker is not determined by the value of his product.

* I have now reached the point where I may indicate briefly what to me constitutes the essence of the crisis of our time. It concerns the relationship of the individual to society. The individual has become more conscious than ever of his dependence upon society. But he does not experience this dependence as a positive asset, as an organic tie, as a protective force, but rather as a threat to his natural rights, or even to his economic existence. Moreover, his position in society is such that the egotistical drives of his make-up are constantly being accentuated, while his social drives, which are by nature weaker, progressively deteriorate. All human beings, whatever their position in society, are suffering from this process of deterioration. Unknowingly prisoners of their own egotism, they feel insecure, lonely, and deprived of the naive, simple, and unsophisticated enjoyment of life. Man can find meaning in life, short and perilous as it is, only through devoting himself to society.

* The economic anarchy of capitalist society as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of the evil. We see before us a huge community of producers the members of which are unceasingly striving to deprive each other of the fruits of their collective labor — not by force, but on the whole in faithful compliance with legally established rules.

* I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.

* Nevertheless, it is necessary to remember that a planned economy is not yet socialism. A planned economy as such may be accompanied by the complete enslavement of the individual. The achievement of socialism requires the solution of some extremely difficult socio-political problems: how is it possible, in view of the far-reaching centralisation of political and economic power, to prevent bureaucracy from becoming all-powerful and overweening? How can the rights of the individual be protected and therewith a democratic counterweight to the power of bureaucracy be assured?

* Clarity about the aims and problems of socialism is of greatest significance in our age of transition. Since, under present circumstances, free and unhindered discussion of these problems has come under a powerful taboo, I consider the foundation of this magazine to be an important public service. “

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Sorry, but anything Michael Moore has to say is just plain blubber, ( no pun intended ). He is waste of human flesh, and represents that of fecal matter.

I cannot star and flag this enough.

It is beyond me that there isnt a bigger uprising going on right now. This is a line that we (as the public) must hold. These corporations and high influence people are essentially taking a crap right on our shoes and walking away. We have all known that big buisness is in bed with the government but they dont even make an attempt at hiding it anymore.

Really, Maddow and that slob who is so greedy and only jumping into the pool for publicity? Moore is making Jessie Jackson look like the hamburgler, sure hes an anoying side kick of ronald Mcdonald but everyone loves him right?, nope hes just out to steal more burgers. If these three hacks have anything to do with starting a "revolution" I'll just sit back and have a good laugh, get some real role models to help the cause.
Maddow 12th place in the ratings, and Moore came out for the free pizza.

Now watch a bunch of people who think they are smarter than Einstein come in here and tell us how wrong he was.

ETA: or, just ignore einstein and jump on the "I hate liberals!" bandwagon and scream about maddow and moore.....

And Hell No to Socialism.

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economic democracy is a precondition to political democracy

EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO LIVE

Everyone has a right to a job


EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO AN ECONOMIC INCOME

Damnit, Einstein said this:

"The economic anarchy of capitalist society as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of the evil. We see before us a huge community of producers the members of which are unceasingly striving to deprive each other of the fruits of their collective labor — not by force, but on the whole in faithful compliance with legally established rules. "

Has it been borne out or not? So he was right!! So why is the rest of what he is saying invalid?
Let me break it down in terms some of you people can understand:

Scientist! Smart! Greed, BAD!

Post one shining example of a successful socialist society where there is liberty for the people. Just one.

All socialists in America should be bought a one way ticket to Cuba or Venzeula or any other socialist society they would like to relocate to.

The only way socialism will be brought to life in America is through the barrel of a gun. But thats what a socialist is, a communist in a hurry with a gun.

Worker's have tons of rights. I'm not in a union and have a ton of federal and state's rights. Unions are a redundant waste of bureaucracy, and a union that's paid for by tax dollars should be illegal.

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There is two way :

400 people have more wealth than 150 million people in USA ( and in the world )

SO :

One way : just this elite live , and everyone else DIES : 7 billions people dies, the middle class dies

Or EVERYBODY will live together

we share

And when the work is done with robots

WE SHARE , in a global income, and other jobs

BUT YOU CANNOT GIVE JOBS TO EVERYONE

SO YOU SHARE OR YOU DIE

BECAUSE : YOU ARE NOT THOSE 400 PEOPLE

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A Basic_income_guarantee (or basic income) is a proposed system[1] of social security, that regularly provides each citizen with a sum of money. In contrast to income redistribution between nations themselves, the phrase basic income defines payments to individuals rather than households[2], groups, or nations, in order to provide for individual basic human needs. Except for citizenship, a basic income is entirely unconditional. Furthermore, there is no means test; the richest as well as the poorest citizens would receive it. The U.S. Basic Income Network[3] emphasizes this absence of means testing in its precise definition, "The Basic Income Guarantee is an unconditional, government-insured guarantee that all citizens will have enough income to meet their basic needs."

Originally posted by nickoli
Post one shining example of a successful socialist society where there is liberty for the people. Just one.

All socialists in America should be bought a one way ticket to Cuba or Venzeula or any other socialist society they would like to relocate to.

The only way socialism will be brought to life in America is through the barrel of a gun. But thats what a socialist is, a communist in a hurry with a gun.

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Ever heard of Europe? Canada? Hell, even our jolly old Allies in the UK (and their wards like Australia and New Zealand) have socialistic aspects to their government.

Maybe you should stop spouting rhetoric and actually learn something about the world around you.

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Expensive lawyers replaced by cheaper software

A Robot Stole My Job: Automation in the Recession

Robot Domination – Look At The Making of a Memory Card

Robot Domination: Automated Factory Sorts, Seals, and Ships With Little Human Contact

No Humans, Just Robots – Amazing Videos of the Modern Factory

etc, etc, etc



WORK : DOES NOT EXIST ANYMORE

IF YOU DONT SHARE YOU DIE

IF YOU DONT UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE TO SHARE, AND DONT FIGHT BACK IN ORDER TO GET YOUR MONEY BACK

YOU DIE

this is not their money, this is the money for you human living being : just think they has A BIG DEBT TO YOU

They tried to take your lifes, and your money

take it back

the right way

...............................

The moment , you place robots instead of humans, the INCOME MUST BE SHARED to the human

Or just killed everybody

Originally posted by nickoli
Post one shining example of a successful socialist society where there is liberty for the people. Just one.

All socialists in America should be bought a one way ticket to Cuba or Venzeula or any other socialist society they would like to relocate to.

The only way socialism will be brought to life in America is through the barrel of a gun. But thats what a socialist is, a communist in a hurry with a gun.

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Also, the Chinese government is actually doing better than our government right now. Does that mean I want to live in China, or in a Chinese system? NO! It means that we are so pathetic, even those Commies from China are making a joke of our way of life.

Name to me shining example of a warlike society that was constantly at war for its entire existence? We average a war every 15 years. I cant think of one successful militaristic society.

Kucinich: That figures. I agree Wisconsin should fight back--against thuggish public unions that have enriched their pocketbooks at the expense of the public. The unions have raped the public trough until is empty and refuse to do ANYTHING but demand more. They want the public to pay ALL of their retirement, ALL their premium Cadillac, never-pay-anything for anything health care. The average Wisconsin teacher salary + benefits exceeds $100K in 2011 yet 2/3rds of their students can't read at a functional level.

Wisconsin is a perfect example of a failed government gone wild. I applaud the governor for his stance to bring accountability to the system and reign in costs. So fight back! Fight back against rampant socialism, the thugs in the SEIU, and idiots like Kucinich. Let him concentrate on impeaching Obama instead.

I love Dennis Kucinich, though I might not agree with everything in his political philosphy, he is sincere and has been fighting for the rights of people and and fighting against oppression for a number of years now.