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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
Originally posted by macman
Taxes are the price you pay for civilisation...and if folks can't afford Job's product, then it doesn't matter what he manufactures. As you seem to have discovered down there, when there's no work, and the credit runs out, things can get a little punky.
No taxes are not the price you pay for civilization. They are what is stolen out of your pocket to provide for everyone else.
Originally posted by centurion1211
Pretty close to a marxist philosophy.
As I watched the obviously rich AND well-fed Moore on the attached video, I couldn't help but think:
"Regarding Moore's food intake: That's not his, that's a national resource. It's ours".
Mods: please fix the link.edit on 3/3/2011 by centurion1211 because: (no reason given)
edit on 3/3/2011 by 12m8keall2c because: fixed long link url
Originally posted by macman
Originally posted by Mak Manto
I don't get half the comments against Moore...
The man's all about helping those who are less fortunate and not having the wealthy pretty much break the law and break the backs of millions of Americans to become insanely rich.
And Moore himself also goes out of his way to not be that way. For example, he's stated that he has no problem with people uploading his documentaries onto Youtube and other websites to share for free.
The man's about helping those who are suffering...
How much of his wealth has he donated to help those that are less fortunate? Oh, I forgot, he wants the Govt to do that, by taking from everyone.
It is ridicules to state that he is for helping people by allowing some of his movie to be downloaded. That is just called good PR.
Originally posted by Hadrian
If capitalism wasn't a corporate welfare state, Moore's ideas could be deemed Marxist. However, this is not the case. We (i.e., the average taxpayer) are paying more than our relative fair share in order for the corporations (and the wealthy) to revel in welfare conditions for the purposes of providing jobs and supporting the economy.
But the jobs are eliminated or farmed, globally, where $.15 will by a firm the same work that in other countries (with a so-called) fair wage would cost $10. The money is exponentially taken and doled out to the rich who use its power and influence to steal even more from the taxpayers, behind an illusion of saving the economy ... which they are destroying.
At no point is the average taxpayer's requisite position in this system considered for amelioration. God forbid welfare to poor people. But welfare for the corporations? By God, yes!
So, in order to raise someone up, we must take from those that are successful?
We the people is not in reference to welfare and social programs, it is within the Declaration of Independence from Great Britain.
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
America was not designed for the collective good, it was for the individual to take care of themselves and prosper on their own merits, not the collective, check your history.
If you want to help people, that is fine. Do so with your own money. I am tired of being forced to do so via taxes.
I donate time and money to what I see as important. It is not the job of the Govt to take care of people.
From the first colonies came a collective mentality. Everyone in the colony/village received equal shares of crops and food. Not all put in equally though. This failed and many perished.
Sometimes, unlike a true Democracy, we are a Republic really, it doesn't say Me the Person, it's We the People.
Indeed, but bits and pieces of the Constitution do not denote authority or a free interpretation of authority thereof as the Congress shall see fit.
SEE!? It's right there, We the People, not "Me the Person" America needs to take care of it's own. Hell, the idea of supporting the general welfare of the people of the United States was so important to the framers of the Constitution that they put it in the Constitution TWICE
No it's not, it is for the collective good, that's why the states formed a union of states.
People who think that the individual is more important than the collective whole show an exceptionally selfish and myopic view of community and civilization. When the nation as a whole takes care of its own, the nation prospers as a whole.
There is no provision for the US government to redistribute wealth in the Constitution.
Originally posted by DCPatriot
Originally posted by woodwardjnr
America was built on the backs of slaves then on the backs of the working man ,
And it shouldn't follow that members of the white race 7+ generations after slavery should still be expected to be responsible for it......dumba$$.
Get off your a$$ and provide for yourself.
You are NOT my responsibility.