reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
Kundalini Cobra Awakening: Ancient, Mystical, Forbidden Knowledge!
That is the title of this thread. Here is the definition of "forbidden" according to the online
1. not permitted, or allowed.
2. not conforming to the usual selection principles—used of quantum phenomena
Now, the Kundalini Yoga practice is a Hindu practice wherein meditation is used to awaken the Chakras of the body. The human spine is analogous to the
sacred Kundalini Serpent, ascending from it's coiled position up the spine into activity.
This process is considered, by some, to be a dangerous spiritual practice which can lead to all kinds of physical and mental instabilities. By other
parties it is considered a beneficial meditative journey which will inevitably help the participant come to a better understanding of him/herself, and
their position in the Universe.
Any type of Chakra work, Kundalini or otherwise, is geared towards connecting the participant with the Chi, Prana, Tao, Wakan Tanka
, or natural
energy of the Universe/God. So, Kundalini Yoga is meant to empower the inner spirit, while simultaneously connecting the participant with the
Sects of the Hindu religion practice Kundalini Yoga. Theosophical societies like the Golden Dawn, Aurum Solis, Order of the Inner Light, and the
Argentium Astrum practice Kundalini Yoga. The religion of Thelema has Kundalini Yoga, along with many other practices, as a source. The Joy of Satan,
an order of Theistic Satanism, practices Kundalini Yoga as a base of it's path working. These are just a small faction of the completely
organizations which openly practice Kundalini Yoga. They also teach it, freely, without governmental intrusion.
Not even taking into account yet the hundreds of books, widely available online and in book stores, which teach you how to awaken the Serpent and
begin your ascension—as well as the hundreds of videos on Youtube and elsewhere demonstrating it—how can this practice, and the accompaniment of
knowledge it brings, possibly
be considered "forbidden" by any possible view?
That was the initial question that I brought to this thread. A valid question, considering that even on ATS the Kundalini Yoga method is not unknown.
The amount of threads one can find concerning these topics by using the "search" function is phenomenal. I came to this thread with a simple
question. In asking it, I did not profess any beliefs about the practice, or those who utilize it, other than that I do not believe it is forbidden
It was your initial response
, ThirdEyeofHorus, which first sparked the
supposed-ill temper now flowing freely through our exchanges. It was a Bible quote:
Matthew 23:13 — "But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye shut up the kingdom of Heaven against me: for ye neither go in
yourselves; neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in."
You also quote from Luke. The message of these quotes is dualistic in intent. The surface meaning, is that Jesus is attempting to point out the
hypocrisy and harm that the scribes and Pharisees (law-makers, and religious leaders) of the time are committing. Additionally, this section is also a
warning to Christians, that if you let your own gospel become likewise, Jesus will shun you too.
I understood the passages the first time that you posted them, ThirdEye. What I did not understand was how you saw my inquiry (section I above) as
being akin to the hypocrisy of the scribes and Pharisees. I asked you for clarification, possibly with your own words, because I did not understand
how I was being hypocritical in my inquiry.
This all lead to a bunch of confusion over Biblical translations, Nicaea/Nicene (sure, both translations are used), and whether I am some kind of
anti-Christian militant. All of which seems completely unnecesary, if you would simply answer the question directed at you: how is my original
response akin to Jesus' rebuking of the scribes and Pharisees?
For the record though:
• The KJV contains many mistranslations. YHVH (the sacred name of God) is given as "Jehovah"; it is a blasphemy, trying to pronounce the
unpronounceable name of the Lord. Additionally, the KJV also purports the existence of Unicorns as animals, which is obviously not right. That is why
I do not prefer its translation.
• The audio-tape quip was meant to be a joke. I cannot stand to read about Unicorns and Heaven in the Clouds in the KJV. However, if you possessed
an audio-book format, then I could stand to listen to it. This was not, as you stated, my reply to your interpretation of the quotes.
• Proselytizing requires me to try and convert you to a belief you do not already possess. Being spiritual in nature, I also practice meditation,
chakra work, and more. So I would not need to try and convince you of practices I know we both partake of.
• I am not "telling you" what the Lord does, or does not want you doing. The Bible does that for itself. God gives commandments, and plain old
commands, numerous times throughout the Bible to His followers. Among them are commands not to worship false idols, honor graven images, have gods
before Him, etc. If you have read the Bible then you know that YHVH is a jealous, wrathful deity, who does not want competition.
• Meditation is mentioned in the Bible! However, you are misinterpreting what kind
of meditation. Biblical meditation (mentioned 20ish times)
is not based on Chakras, the Kundalini, or anything like that. Biblical meditation, as in Joshua 1:8, is based upon meditation on the Word of God.
Meaning: Biblical truths. God does not want meditation on non-Biblical concepts. Where in the Bible does God support the Kundalini, or Chakras?
As a quick aside, Jesus conversing with His Father in the Garden is similar, but not the same as a Yogi reaching out for his Creator. God does not
allow for any other divine beings, aside from Himself. So, yes, meditation is in the Bible, but it is faulty interpretation to assume this gives you
free reign to include any practice of similarity, as the Bible contains very strict guidelines on what it allows, or does not allow (see
Additionally, it is narrow-minded of you to believe that I am "one of those people" who adheres strictly to a single doctrine, or religion. I move
through religions, picking up practices which have meaning to my life. I do not remain in a single one. While I understand how you might feel like I
am trying to convert you, I just simply do not enjoy misinformation being spread; misinformation like: Kundalini Yoga is a forbidden practice, who's
adherents are closely monitored by the N.W.O.
A "true" Mason is an interesting concept. Since you are not a Mason, I am going to assume you get your information on Masons from conspiracy
websites, and N.W.O. watchdog groups. Masonry does not require adherence to the Christian deity. Masons are allowed to have any belief which they
wish. What unites Masons is:
- belief in a Creator, and His creation
- adherence to strict moral behavior
- service to the community
That is really all. The higher up the ladder one climbs, the more statutes and procedures that a Mason takes on. Initiatory stages though, only
require those three things. The Creator does not even have to be named. It could be YHVH, or it could be Atum. Maybe Zeus or Thor if you so desire. It
simply insists on Creator and creation.
If you know a Mason in your community, go and talk with him. That was what I did. They are agreeable people, who really enjoy when others' take an
interest in the organization. With a Mason's recommendation you can attend the mandatory, free, luncheon which precedes all Masonry admission. The
lunches are free, the people friendly, and the breadth of promotion ability in the organization is great.
Before you knock it, try it out.
Berating me, well what was your suggestion that KJV was not the best version?...
...Of course, aren't you the expert in all things scriptural.
I don't really feel like repeating everything about the mistranslations in the KJV. I hope that my lengthy section above about that is enough to
clarify this for you. For the record, no, I have not practiced my Greek, Aramaic, or Jewish. I just know how to research things. A small footing into
KJV criticism will reveal all, and more, of my complaints with it. I apologize again that my dislike of the KJV translation is so offensive to you.
The final things I want to cover here, and I apologize for the length of this reply, is the N.W.O. and the "dumbing down of the people" which you
discuss as proof that the government is concerned with people waking up, practicing Kundalini, and seeking enlightenment.
. You seem to have a problem with this. Which branch are you so troubled by? Philosophically, humanism deals with human nature, our
inherent good/evil/neutral state of being. The discussion of nature vs. nurture being important to this branch.
Secular humanism discusses ethics, morals, and values rising as independent human initiatives. This removes the need to believe that anything outside
of human perception is needed to instill values and morals within us. What is wrong about believing that humans are capable of judging right from
Educational humanism I would think would be something you'd stand behind, since it allows for practices without substantiated scientific value to be
taught; meditation, homeopathy, mysticism, etc
. It also encourages studies of religion, performance arts, and more.
The artistic movement, I doubt, is where your complaint is stemming from. So, could you please tell me what you see wrong about humanism; and, in your
eyes, how it hurts spiritual movements.
As for the N.W.O. existing as a shadow-government which monitors spiritual awakenings... why has it never encroached on me? I have been working in
school systems, work systems, community systems, and the like preaching meditation, waking up, new religious beliefs, advancement beyond government
corruption, and more. Yet, no Men in Black, no Unmarked Helicopters, no Government Harassment.
In fact, for everything I've done (including working on spreading a new religious view: concerned with awakening and reconnecting with spiritual
energies) I have never encountered a shred of evidence that the N.W.O. exists. Could you tell me why I am unimportant, yet your critiques of them on
ATS are so damning to them?
Or, if not, then at least point them to this: N.W.O., please come harass me, so I fear you, and stop preaching my own messages about awakening, and
The rest of your response, while continuously cherry-picking and quote-mining my reply, meanders around the same topics without ever actually arriving
at any points that I haven't already covered here. So, hopefully now that I have put my words back into their original context you won't take them
out of context again as you try to reply.
I even break my posts down into sections, so that those reading understand everything contained within is pertinent to a single topic. I figured it
would make it easier for people to write back. Hopefully you understood that. If not, that should clarify it for you.
Since, apparently, I am not allowed to enjoy discussions, or debates—because Heaven forbid someone be open to discussing beliefs against his
own!—I won't let you know again that I do enjoy discussing with you about these things.
~ Wandering Scribe