Parents who smoke should be found unfit to be parents...

Found unfit by whom? By some mythical paragons of virtue?

I'll just simply agree with those who say, stay out of other peoples' business and that education, not judgment or legislation, is the key.

(Can't wait to see what's next. Lets see...hmmm...how about we judge and legislate the diets and activities of all pregnant women and keep them isolated from society so they don't pick up any germs? That would be a good one!)

However did humans survive for all these years without all this helpful guidance

Originally posted by JaxonRoberts

Originally posted by MysticPearl
I'm calling you out OP! Prove to all of us how healthy you are, and how much you exercise. Or are you a lazy, overweight #, who sits on his butt all day finding someone else to criticize?

I never said I was healthy. My lungs are shot between the second hand smoke I inhaled as a kid from my two pack a day parent, plus an older sister with a similar habit, and the 26 years of smoking I did myself. Although my sense of smell and taste have improved, I am still very susceptible to nasal, lung and brochial infections. I cannot remember a time before the age of ten when I did not have some type of respiratory infection, due to the damage being done to my lungs by the smoke filled environment I was in.

What inspired me to write this thread was that I saw a pregnant woman today who was pushing a two year old in a stroller with a cigarette in her hand that was less than a foot away from the toddlers head. So go ahead... Someone justify this to me as the sign of a good parent... Good Luck on that, by the way... It can't be done...

Infections are not caused by smoke, genius.

Infections are caused by microscopic living creatures.

You were living in filth. And before you deny that, organized does not equal to clean.

My grandparents were smokers who lived in a filthy house. I would get sick there. I have a couple of friends who are filthy... in that they THINK they did the dishes, they THINK they washed their hands, they THINK they cleaned the floors, they THINK they scrubbed the stove, fridge, etc. But really... they're too lazy to actually pay attention to detail and actually CLEAN instead of "make look presentable".

And if you're still feeling sick frequently, I suggest you learn how to pinch a rag doused in very hot water and get the contours, indents, nooks & crannies, and whatever else you call a space in which germs and dirt thrive while lazy people barely wipe the flat surfaces.

You could not only eat off my floor, you could lick the baseboards and get only the tasty hint of wood and tile.

If you leave trash in the trash can too long, rotting meat, veggies, etc.... that stuff will get in your air. And if you think cigarette smoke is bad for you, just inhale some lazy butt's trash. There is a reason why that smell makes you want to throw up. Because your body DON'T LIKE IT.

Do you clean the bugs up from your windows, if you live in a place where this is a problem?
Do you get your cobwebs/dust bunnies (hint: They actually are very hard to see sometimes).
Do you move the stove and clean behind/under it?
The fridge?
Do you dump food down the drain in the sink instead of choosing a place outside to dump the foods or dumping it in the trash and immediately taking it outside?
For others out there, do you make sure that crappy diapers go directly OUTSIDE (Unless you are the kind of person who uses cloth, in which case, you use the bath tub to correct the crappy situation?)

Are you on medications? Do you have a pinched nerve in your upper back? Do you scream a lot?

There are so many other possibilities for what is actually causing problems with people that when people immediately resort to blaming cigarette smoke, it amazes me.

My friend Adam, once again, the guy I wouldn't let take care of my son for 5 minutes... That dope keeps the most unclean house. Not incredibly disorganized, but crumbs always on the floor, dog food strewn about the kitchen, coffee stains on the counter, sink has loose food in it, carpets haven't been vac'd properly (CORNERS), etc. etc.
And yet the genius thinks that a perfect society is one where the police arrest you for throwing bubble gum on the ground.

If you don't get the point by now, you are laughably slappable. I guess you can't force people to be wise, though.

Ok, op... I guess pure, unadulterated tobacco, as found in high quality cigars, smoked by polticians and wealthy elite, is bad for their children too right? So, you and the rest of the members on this thread, who are firm on this belief need to go to the state houses, and federal buildings and let them know, if you smoke, and you have children, they are unfit and should have your children removed from your custody! Now go...and while your at it, tell them that drinking alcohol, paid for by public taxes, is gonna STOP!

Originally posted by CosmicCitizen
Smoking in the presence of children should be illegal....even in private. Also there is some hypocrisy in some of the states that have anti smoking laws in public but are not enforced in casinos. Why? because the government gets a cut and a lot of the losers that are habitual casino junkies are also chain smokers.

Governments don't care about you or your health. All they care about is the revenues in over-the-top taxes they rake in from gambling, fuel, alcohol and tobacco, and that is why all of these will NEVER be illegal.

And as long as these things are not illegal, there aint one cotton-pickin thing you saintly non-smokers can do about it, whether you like it or not

So you might as well stop your constant whining about it already.

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Redneck does make a valid point! What might be your rebuttal? I know you have one~

YOU should be found to be an UNFIT AMERICAN.

Anyone who feels the need to tell another free man how to live is NOT an American in my eyes.

Yes, it is only your opinion (and thank god no one has to listen to it), but wtf - why not give this big of a crap about PROMOTING freedom? Not tearing it away.

Whatever happened to good ole Nunya???

Nunyaf*ckinbusiness what I do in my own house and how I raise my own children (and I don't even smoke cigs).

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i cant believe that is the title of your thread catchy and kind of disgusting

reply to post by triplescorpio


The title does suggest a rather distasteful suggestion, and rather judgmental. Could it be that he/she is actually unfit as a parent and to save face, combines all parents under that banner?

make your descision to stop based on
this

On the left is long capacity.

Originally posted by TribeOfManyColours
make your descision to stop based on
this

On the left is long capacity.

edit on 21-2-2011 by TribeOfManyColours because: (no reason given)

Wow that graph thingy has really convinced me to stop smoking - NOT!!

Non-smokers should concern themselves with how they conduct themselves in their own lives and keep their busybody noses out of everyone else's.

Every living thing can do anything in their ability if they so choose it. If I want to smoke I will do so, or if I want to slowly carve my fingers from my body I will do so. If you want to stop someone and regulate their lives then do it to the best of your ability but they will do as they please for as long as they can. If a child doesn't like their parents smoking around them they have a nearly infinite number of actions they could take. Let people take care of themselves, unless you would rather try to force your opinions upon them.

Originally posted by doobydoll

Originally posted by TribeOfManyColours
make your descision to stop based on
this

On the left is long capacity.

edit on 21-2-2011 by TribeOfManyColours because: (no reason given)

Wow that graph thingy has really convinced me to stop smoking - NOT!!

Non-smokers should concern themselves with how they conduct themselves in their own lives and keep their busybody noses out of everyone else's.

Hey i smoked over 10years, tried to quit several times. fail after fail, untill i took the scientific road. I realized that i have to quit around my 26th birthday, to in the long term have a good health on that part of my body. So , i did.
So it helped me to quit, without any problem.

Wow way to change sides and try to hold it against us hypocrite

This thread makes me want to smoke, Don't worry I'll do it in the garden far away from the kids ....

Excessive alcohol consumption while parenting should be the topic of the day, Cigarettes don't affect your mentality.

Originally posted by TheRedneck
There's another difference. Tobacco is not mentally debilitating.

Are you serious? Tobacco is most definitely mentally debilitating.

Effects of Smoking on the Brain

Smoking effects on the Brain

* Smoking blocks the carotid artery. So, blood supply to the brain cells are cut off. This results in stroke, called cerebral thrombosis. Smoker's risk of having a stroke is 1.5 times more than non-smokers.
* Smoking also leads to thickening and clotting of the blood.
* Smoking causes oxidative stress.

It's a myth that smoking helps to concentrate and makes a smoker alert. In fact, the speed and accuracy of a smoker's thinking ability becomes weak. Smoking also lowers down the smoker's IQ. This fact has been established by a study conducted by University of Michigan researchers.

The researchers also confirmed that long-term smoking have harmful effects on memory, problem-solving, and IQ. In fact, they viewed that smoking diminishes the thinking ability of a person.

Click here for more information.

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Your kidding me right? So you are going to single out smokers? Really? How about all those parents that get drunk at home with kids, is that responsible? I garantee that there are far more folks that do that then smoke at home, and most probably smoke outside.

The thing is, regardless of that, it is a persons God given right to do what they want in there own home.... You are out of your mind if you think that smoking is up there on the top of issues with unfit parents.

How about my ex-wife, who denied me a relationship with my son until he was 8, then lost her house and pretty much called me to come pick him up. He was mal-nurished, neglected and a social mess. My ex would sit him in front of the tv all day long, he never went outside and could not even stand beside a bike and hold it up at 8 years old. Yet I still fight tooth and nail with a court system to keep him in my care...

But reading the title of your thread you think that if I smoke then I should be ruled unfit? Do you know what that would do to kids out there? If that was one instance where the court could find a parent unfit?

There are so many other issues that need to be adressed when it comes to being a fit parent, that this is just offensive to me.

Originally posted by CosmicCitizen
Smoking in the presence of children should be illegal....even in private. Also there is some hypocrisy in some of the states that have anti smoking laws in public but are not enforced in casinos. Why? because the government gets a cut and a lot of the losers that are habitual casino junkies are also chain smokers.

...OR because most casinos are owned and operated on sovereign indian land, where the states anti-smoking laws are meaningless.

Originally posted by TribeOfManyColours

Originally posted by doobydoll

Originally posted by TribeOfManyColours
make your descision to stop based on
this

On the left is long capacity.

edit on 21-2-2011 by TribeOfManyColours because: (no reason given)

Wow that graph thingy has really convinced me to stop smoking - NOT!!

Non-smokers should concern themselves with how they conduct themselves in their own lives and keep their busybody noses out of everyone else's.

Hey i smoked over 10years, tried to quit several times. fail after fail, untill i took the scientific road. I realized that i have to quit around my 26th birthday, to in the long term have a good health on that part of my body. So , i did.
So it helped me to quit, without any problem.

So what?

Do you think I didn't know smoking is unhealthy until you linked to that graph? I already know all this. I also think this kind of information is exaggerated, otherwise all smokers would be dead of cancer or other smoke-related nasties by now if it were true. It's all drivel.

Good for you that you quit, was it your decision? I think the answer to that is yes. If I do quit it will be MY decision, not yours.