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Parents who smoke should be found unfit to be parents...

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posted on Feb, 21 2011 @ 11:35 AM
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I dont understand why you are shocked at the response. You need to watch the way you present things. It is one thing to say that smoking can harm a child....i get that.

But to say that all smoking parents should be considered unfit? You do realize what that means right? A court that finds a parent unfit, means the parent looses custody of that child. When you start saying that all smokers should have thier kids taken away from them, you are going to offend ALOT of people.

You should really calm down some....go have a smoke.




posted on Feb, 21 2011 @ 11:39 AM
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Originally posted by CIGGSofWAR
Driving say an automobile is less toxic, people should really consider who is poising who, does your work place produce toxic fumes? toxic waste products, what about the materials inside your home? ignorance is not bliss on any level. Some people feel they are rightious in there views and there the worst MF out there.
As long as people buy the concepts there sold the problems will contiue!


Allow me to make clear that I do not believe we are destroying the world outside, but we are dirtying it up. I am by no means a tree hugger, but I do like nature and I believe we really would be better off intermingling a little more with nature.

I just think that some people need to sit down and ponder the wisdom behind placing so much importance on the carnal nature of things. The vanity is maddeningly disturbing.



posted on Feb, 21 2011 @ 11:41 AM
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All I can say is, judging by seeing the type of people on shows like The Jeremy Kyle Show, watching the programmes that are popular on British tv and the like, I can think of a vast list of reasons why people shouldn't be allowed to have children while smoking isn't actually on that list.

It harms you and others sure but it's not as bad as some of the brainless idiots on Kyle's show



posted on Feb, 21 2011 @ 11:41 AM
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So your 19 and harping on your mother not to smoke in the house. The same house she is paying for. Why don't you grow up a little and get an apartment with a friend and stop all the harping! Then you can go outside and have a smoke and see the stars and keep your window closed! If it annoys you that much, you can find a way to move out. If my child yelled at me for something I was doing in my house, the bags are at the curb. I see this as a symptom of what is really going on in America these day's. Children think they are in charge and the parents allow them to make the rules. It is time for parents to man up to their children AND to the busy bodies trying to control our lifestyles. By the way, there is no study that supports the theory that second hand smoke is harmful to others, if you look at each one that they claim does so, they all conclude that second hand smoke MAY contribute to these aliments, along with other factors like genetics or occupation etc...Not one conclusive study pointing directly at second hand smoke. Read the studies and you'll find out it's true!



posted on Feb, 21 2011 @ 11:41 AM
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Why don't we start by taking cell phones away from the kids, Strictly organic diets, No internet, No television etc.

It's already killing them faster than any second hand smoke can.



posted on Feb, 21 2011 @ 11:41 AM
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Im curious then as too why you smoke outside? I worked in bars and casinos for many years...and can no longer enter them...the "2nd-hand-smoke" that you say is B.S. instantly makes me sneeze and my eyes water. I leave outside and am fine again...

But then I run into you on your porch and....hey! Go pick up that kid of yours and blow right into their eyes. Tell them "2nd hand" smoke isnt true...while they cough and wheeze in your face.

If thats your feelings...then youre a lost cause anyway. "De-Nile" is not just a river in Egypt. And why DO you go outside to smoke anyway? Got a pretty yard? Just find someone soon to cut the grass for you...because youre pretty well gone.



posted on Feb, 21 2011 @ 11:43 AM
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I TOTALLY disagree with your OP. My mother was a very great mother while she smoked cigarettes. However, she did quit and now we smoke sumthin else together. It wasn't until then that I started getting to know my mother even more and we became even greater friends, not just because we were below the influence lol. My father doesn't smoke green really, being on of the top rated lawyer businesses in all of Georgia. He does smoke cigars but hey, that's what all the grown men do nowadays lol.

IT ALL DEPENDS ON YOUR FINANCIAL SITUATION, OP, in most cases.
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posted on Feb, 21 2011 @ 11:43 AM
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Prosecuted? Let people suffer the consequences of their actions!!! The purpose of a law is to guide people, NOT to punish them! The consequences are bad enough. People will learn in time whatever lessons they need to learn. Don't you dare victimize the children of smoking parents until you yourself stop using the tools in front of you that put out thousands more poisons into the airs OUTSIDE where your kids will GO. And your kids will continue to put these poisons into the air as well. All heart, no foresight creates a royally-spoiled world. All you princes and princesses need a little "sovereignty" in your lives. Are you so bored that you need a cause, or have you finally perfected yourself and your family??


Yes, such parents smoking around their children need to be prosecuted, or get a fine for first offense. the purpose of the law is to protect weak and innocent people from others infringing on their rights, in this case to protect children from parents harming them. I dont understand why are you so upset, parents cannot smoke around their children. Smoking is harmful for health.
Do you also get drunk with your kids?
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posted on Feb, 21 2011 @ 11:45 AM
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Again who is to decide who is fit, or what organization will overlook this idea?



posted on Feb, 21 2011 @ 11:45 AM
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Originally posted by Serizawa
Why don't we start by taking cell phones away from the kids, Strictly organic diets, No internet, No television etc.

It's already killing them faster than any second hand smoke can.


I agree whole-heartedly that those are good steps to take.

I just hope you mean that parents do that in their own house and by "we" you don't mean the gub-mint.



posted on Feb, 21 2011 @ 11:45 AM
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Originally posted by loves a conspiricy
Smoking is NOT hard to quit....i have quit several times in my life....


Really?

lol




posted on Feb, 21 2011 @ 11:46 AM
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What about the risks we take driving our kids where they need to go? Thats a risk, is it not?

What about the risks we take by feeding our children? Everything is "bad" for you these days. Milk has hormones, meat has hormones, fruits and veggies have pesticides or are GMO, food poisoning, etc.

What about the risks of letting them breathe polluted air while they play outside? What about the indoor pollution they breathe while they are inside?

What about the risks of taking them to the park? They could fall and break their arms.

I am not advocating smoking or smoking around children. But I think some people are taking it way too far.

Its called minding your own business, maybe OP should give it a try.



posted on Feb, 21 2011 @ 11:48 AM
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Very well said. The OP's statement is full of biases and misnomers. How about we start with ridding alcohol. If parents drink lets take their kids away because they are too drunk to care for them any ways, right?



posted on Feb, 21 2011 @ 11:49 AM
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Dude, then it was hard to quit if your attempts ended in failure.



posted on Feb, 21 2011 @ 11:50 AM
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i was able to quit methadone and oxycontin but not tobacco!!!

i think saying parents who smoke are unfit parents is ridiculous. so if you're a parent who drinks does that make you unfit?

parents who smoke in the same rooms as their children yes. but if they light up outside in the backyard away from their kids, that's just called common sense. i smoke and would never smoke in my own home, the lingering smells of smoker homes are nasty and i would not want to subject my guests to that



posted on Feb, 21 2011 @ 11:50 AM
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Originally posted by Maslo
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Prosecuted? Let people suffer the consequences of their actions!!! The purpose of a law is to guide people, NOT to punish them! The consequences are bad enough. People will learn in time whatever lessons they need to learn. Don't you dare victimize the children of smoking parents until you yourself stop using the tools in front of you that put out thousands more poisons into the airs OUTSIDE where your kids will GO. And your kids will continue to put these poisons into the air as well. All heart, no foresight creates a royally-spoiled world. All you princes and princesses need a little "sovereignty" in your lives. Are you so bored that you need a cause, or have you finally perfected yourself and your family??


Yes, such parents smoking around their children need to be prosecuted, or get a fine for first offense. the purpose of the law is to protect weak and innocent people from others infringing on their rights, in this case to protect children from parents harming them. I dont understand why are you so upset, parents cannot smoke around their children. Smoking is harmful for health.
Do you also get drunk with your kids?
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NATURE decided that I would be the parent of my child.

My child has what rights I give my child. Once my child becomes an adult, then my child is responsible for himself and himself only until he gets a family. No one is responsible for him once he is an adult but himself.

But while he is my responsibility, I decide what rights he has. Not you, neither ANYONE.

I will do what I will do. I don't need to tell you that I don't smoke around my kid. What you need to know is that it is not your business.

Why do you not see the higher wisdom in this? Are you even an adult yet? Who is taking care of you??

Do you yourself teach your kids or do you rely on the public education system to do the work? Do you yourself take care of your kids or do you hire someone to do it? Who are you?

Worry about you and your own! Care about all humanity, but take responsibility only for that which your HUMAN BODY ALLOWS.

Corporate policies and Uniform Commercial Code Crap. Good god y'all are making feel like a rat in a freakin' cage just by posing these ideas. Back off. You're gonna mess up the world with these thoughts.

And that's the sad part!! Your thoughts are more damaging than cigarette smoke, in my OH so friggin humble opinion.



posted on Feb, 21 2011 @ 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by mysterioustranger
reply to post by audioengineer
 


Im curious then as too why you smoke outside? I worked in bars and casinos for many years...and can no longer enter them...the "2nd-hand-smoke" that you say is B.S. instantly makes me sneeze and my eyes water. I leave outside and am fine again...

But then I run into you on your porch and....hey! Go pick up that kid of yours and blow right into their eyes. Tell them "2nd hand" smoke isnt true...while they cough and wheeze in your face.

If thats your feelings...then youre a lost cause anyway. "De-Nile" is not just a river in Egypt. And why DO you go outside to smoke anyway? Got a pretty yard? Just find someone soon to cut the grass for you...because youre pretty well gone.



You're gonna be gone too someday --------- Got someone to cut YOUR grass?

Everyone must face death. DEAL WITH IT.

Correct what is correctable -- death ain't one of them.



posted on Feb, 21 2011 @ 11:55 AM
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posted on Feb, 21 2011 @ 11:55 AM
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I strongly disagree. Your child has a right to not be harmed, and you should not be allowed to smoke around children, period. I dont see how being a parent is relevant to this. Being a parent does not give you any authority do harm your child, and certainly does not give you any authority to give him basic rights or not. Your child is not your pet. You should not even have a right to harm your pet, while we are at it.



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posted on Feb, 21 2011 @ 11:56 AM
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Go read my post I stated facts of why smoking outside my home has no effect on my child. My child is healthy as ever at every checkup she goes to. My child is far above the intellectual bracket for her age. I smoke that is my research and my data. Prove me wrong.



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