Do you feel like Having to Work is un-natural?

Its only our desire for the material things in life that keeps us enslaved. If we lived in a forest money would be useless and therefore we would have no need for work. Nature provides everything we need to exist.

let me ask a quesiton based on my previous post...

are civilizations meant to die in order to prevent them from being dominated by only a few?

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Thanks for that video link! It really encompasses my point. As long as we as a society "need" things...we'll have to pay for them...and someone will always be glad to sell it to us.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by Amaterasu

 

You have to explain why it's not. I have. Statements alone are not proof.

Logic demands humanity be destroyed. We are a viral species. God hasn't done that. Also logic is a concept, not a thing. Logic governs the universe. But man's logic is not that logic.

No one has succeeded at life, seeing as no one has not died. Well technically if you want to go biblically literal, then about 3 people have succeeded at life. Enoch, Ezekiel, and Jesus. That's because they did not die/ die permanently.

Oh yes. The internet destroys the need for government. but people haven't realized that yet. Just wait.

What the hell are you talking about

Maybe this is some evil automated NSA response from the project echelon computers?

Originally posted by 11I11
Its only our desire for the material things in life that keeps us enslaved. If we lived in a forest money would be useless and therefore we would have no need for work. Nature provides everything we need to exist.

Its only our desire for sexual perversions in life that keeps us bitter. If we lived in a church community sexual perversions would be mute and therefore we would have no need for them since faith is all we need. Church provides everything we need to be happy and not sexually driven.

No...

We (must of us) have all worked all of our lives so we get used to it..

I have been working since i was 14, I am 50 now..

I actually like to work,gives me something to do..

But i work in a job where i go all over town and fix things for people..so i never get bored..

I can't even imagine working in a cubicle all day..no thanks..

It might seem un natural for the younger generation who rely on Ipods and texting to while away the time,

but as you get older you will realize it is a necessity to work, try to find a job you will enjoy...It helps....

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you need to be an entrepreneur perhaps? set your own hours. that kinda thing.
whatcha good at ? got any skills or things you think would be fun to do as your own boss?

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depends what you're doing for work. any profession that entails serving or helping ppl is usefull and natural. if you believe in the product you're selling maybe you would find sales fulfilling. like with anything its all in your perception & where you place your focus/attention. sooo if you feel that work is un natural & you focus on that, then your circumstances will mirror that belief.

*humans have been working (hunting, gathering food, making things..tools, baskets..etc) since the begining of time. it's essential to our survival, that's one way to look at it. think of sales as the trading of goods, that's natural

Originally posted by jonnywhite

Originally posted by 11I11
Its only our desire for the material things in life that keeps us enslaved. If we lived in a forest money would be useless and therefore we would have no need for work. Nature provides everything we need to exist.

Its only our desire for sexual perversions in life that keeps us bitter. If we lived in a church community sexual perversions would be mute and therefore we would have no need for them since faith is all we need. Church provides everything we need to be happy and not sexually driven.

edit on 12-2-2011 by jonnywhite because: (no reason given)

Thats a very bold statement my friend. There have been cases of sexual abuse within the church, so I am not sure your statement is correct.

Originally posted by mysterioustranger
reply to post by leaualorin

 

Thanks for that video link! It really encompasses my point. As long as we as a society "need" things...we'll have to pay for them...and someone will always be glad to sell it to us.

you're welcome!
I saw it some time ago , and it REALLY REMAINED STICKED IN MY MEMORY...
On-topic :
if we would all live in a forest nature would never be able to provide us with BRAIN SURGERY or heart transplants , nanotechnology etc ... that REALLY MADE US LIVE A LOT LONGER than if they wouldn't exist...
Lucifer's "greatest gift" : KNOWLEDGE ...
good and bad...
Should have remained in heaven , not this crap world filled with pain and suffering...
But hey , that's life...

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by CIGGSofWAR
Somebody has mentioned money, What is money I will not answer this for you. Yes it currently has been applied to work.
If you work to surive do you require money to surive? does a stay at home mom require money to do her work to look after her family?
Your born into a concept of how to work, given every reason, but are they true what makes them true.

Example you and 10 others crash on a suitable planet there are no others, You can survive quite well, is money required to survive? If money is not required to survive than why is it nessary, Is money a concept. Who's concept is it? Why do you live in a concept?

Money is not the problem. The way it is created and treated IS one of the biggest problems to society!

Money is a bartering tool instead of trading supplies and services directly. Money used to exist as gold and silver certificates but according to the PTB there was not enough gold and silver to accomodate for all the money/currency in circulation, so it became a fiat system.

(The way it is created and treated IS one of the biggest problems to society) We do not create we can only manipulate, in lue we manipulate the uses the application, we manipulate more ways to apply it, You only know one way to live, the way you shown taught. Which is the application and minipulation of money.

and it is still not required for survival, for instance can you eat it? for it orginal intent and design have been minipulated this why you have the fiat system or bubble system. Some have change the rules, no different than changing the rules of playing monoply to manipulate a different concept of game play.

You have no choices in the rules being applied. Is it still in it's orginal format or design? If I change the defined words, I can further change the rules can I not? Am I creating or manipulating? Was Hilter a demi-God or just a person. Did he create Nazi people or did he manipulate people.

How does a person manipulate go back in (time) history you will see how and words have new meaning to support change, The history of a word to reflect a meaning, a process of thoughts You can be born after a word has be changed and unaware of it's orginal meaning. I have dictonaries from 1911 through up too 1958 in there there are new words and revised meanings they tell you what has been altered and why. They address the thinking thought in progression.

Were living in a concept world if any collaspe occures in structure, your concept of reality will collaspe as well.
The word survival will have a new meaning other than the one you currently acknowledge.

Keep in mind the new tech around the corner. Amazing breakthroughs are happening and are about to happen that will make tomorrow look like magic. Nanotech, unlimited energy, ability to translate in-person and real-time, complete mastery of gene therapy, etc...

This is the quickening. In ten years from now, we may not need to work. On the other hand, we thought that when we discovered oil but the greed kicked in and people monopolized it. I'm thinking humanity may have learned a lesson and that just might not be our mistake this time around.

Work in and of itself is not enough to satisfy a man. Only knowing God and living for Him can truly satisfy a man. When that is our primary focus and purpose, then any good* work done unto Him is a joy.

Do not consider work in itself to be a joy, but that indirectly while you do it unto God it can be joyful. Do not live for work, but for God, and dedicate your work in every way to Him, and then you will find no good reason to complain.

Seek God first and all the good you seek will be given to you.

* The work must be good. You cannot do a bad work (ie: whatever causes you to sin and dishonor God) and dedicate it to God, nor expect a good work apart from God to bring any sustained and substantial joy.

Funny you mention this as I was thinking the exact same thing today. I up and quit a union government job last May because I wanted my LIFE back!! As a woman, maybe my perspective is a little different because I wanted to actually be a mom to my kids which was hard when I was away from them for twelve hours a day. Oh what fun, to come home from work and cook and clean and spend just a few short hours with the kids only to send them off into the nasty world (of public school) day after day, only to lose myself from them. It's all in what you choose and what you're willing to give up to have the life you want. Ask yourself what's important to you? I'm not a huge fan of "things" and "stuff" made in China. You would be surprised at the life you could live if only you choose it.

Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact
[Do you feel like Having to Work is un-natural?]

Atheist do...

More Atheist baiting, your making a habit of this, do you not get bored?

Originally posted by GeminiSky
reply to post by TomJoad

 

What about those of us whos life just turned out to be like this? Those of us who dont have the time or money to go to school and do something we love? those of us who never finished school and now cant leave the job to go back because they wont be able to pay rent?

What it basically comes down to is that you have to make a choice -- it's either freedom and potentially little money and even less security, or the corporate world/9-5 job and security. If you don't want to live like you do now, and you don't have the means to go to college (which, in these times, doesn't guarantee you a good job, or any job, either), then you'll have to a) be willing to take a risk, and b) think out of the box.

I don't know your living situation, but honestly, I would always encourage any young person when they get out of school, and before they get bogged down in a full-time job, to spread their wings for a while and explore. Take a risk -- buy a plane ticket to Europe or elsewhere, take $500 or $1,000, and just go. See how far you get. Work odd jobs in places where you travel. Do anything; be friendly, open and honest; let people take you in and help them out around the house in return, or around the farm. See the world, meet people with different mentalities, have an adventure.

I had to turn 33 before I dropped my safe occupation in Germany (which made a lot of money and was very secure; I even had my own business) and set off for Sedona, Arizona... with no safety net, no job, a few thousand dollars, and two suitcases. I went from ca. $6,000/mo. to making $800/mo. -- but I'd never been happier in my life. I lived the absolute "Hippie Revival" life for 2.5 years. Meanwhile I'm happily married, have a child, and am back to a more normal life, but I SO needed that time of being just wild and free. I've never regretted leaving everything behind -- in fact, it felt incredibly liberating to get rid of everything I had, except a few clothes. And I mean EVERYTHING: insurances, furniture, my car, books, designer clothes, my CD collection...

Spread your wings and fly, young ones; don't let the system rope you in. As long as you don't have a wife, kids,and a mortgage, you need to see what life has to offer. And then you can come back and see what you want to do with your life, but it'll give you a much broader perspective and you'll never feel like such a slave again.

The Native Indians of the world had it right.

IMO the European monetary system are what started the world down slide starting with the Spanish.
Well that lead to more and more specialist until now we could not survive without the power companies and the myriad of emplyees they have.

Many years ago most people were generalist.
Now there are few generalist left.

We work, make $ basically so we can make life more comfortable and dont have to do all the nasty chores we used to have to do as a culture, but as we sit in our air conditioned domiciles, we often forget that about 1.5 billion people in the world is live in squalor with no clean water, excrement in the streets and very little food.

Probably even worse off than cavemen. At least they had clean water.

I will admit, AC, superb medical and dental, refrigerator, tap water, fresh food at the grocery, and toilets, are all great.

That said, my grandfather and my father could survive in a world where they did not have all the new technology. They knew/know the old ways of making soap, preserving meat, living without all the conveniences.

Lost traditions due to convenience in living, and us specialist that need to go work 40 + hours a week in jobs that we hate.

My grandparents were dirt farmers and poor, but they were happy.
All of it makes me want to go take a Tom Brown refresher survival course.

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I think you're right Gemini. I've always thought that too. schools unnatural too.

we lock our kids away for most of their childhood in doors getting fed stuff they're supposed to reguritate later to survive in our complicated modern world. and after they graduate, what do they get at the end of it? most of them get a lifetime of slavery to big business just so they can afford a house (or a mortage at any rate) to have somewhere to raise their own kids.

is that natural?

i dont think so.

is that the way it has to be?

i dont think so.

before white people came to australia, aborigines lived off the land; had what they needed to survive without much effort at all and had plenty of leisure time. i suspect they were much happier than most of us slaving our guts out our entire lives only to die in a nursing home somewhere.

i'm not saying we all have to live like hunter and gatherers - although frankly there's probably a lot of pluses to it. at least you're outdoors enjoying beautiful nature and thinking your own thoughts all day, instead of in a mental straightjacket in an office cubicle hellhole somewhere living off sugar nad cappucinos to make your life less miserable.

(can you tell i love my job? )

i'm just saying; i think we could organise our society better; so that we all have all that we need; but we arent condemned to a life of slavery so we can get money just to own a house or land.

if we put a cap on our population growth; then the govt of each country could make available land to each family to live on; you could grow some of your own food; and the govt/councils could organise groups to grow the rest in districts etc.

you could have a unit of exchange that the govt gave out (do away with banks completely); to buy what extra things you need;

kids should be encouraged as part of their education (a lot of hwich should take place outdoors in nature - no exams - experience i think is the real educator; exams just make you reguritate facts) - to find what they really want to do in life and how to contribute to the community; then follow that dream, whatever it may be.

if we all put less emphasis on material things and shallow things such as fitting in by having the latest bmw or ipod or newest pair of shoes etc. then we wouldn't have to condemn factory workers to lives of servitude to produce all the excess crap we dont really need.

maybe we could simplify our existance.

if we go natural and green with power and energy; i think we'll find ways to simplify our lives as well. - our govts we have to face it; aren't interested in this.

they dont want free people.

they want slaves.

who make them lots of 'stuff' and allow them power over others. i think the debt cycle we live in is deliberate.

debt is skyrocketing; and i think its about control really.

they want you to do what they say and have no power so they have control.

even food is being more controllled. I think they want lots of fat unhealthy people - for some reason. its escalating; and i think there's a fight against natural healthy organic foods.

everythings gmo or nano modified and filled with preservatives and poisons.

call me paranoid; but i am.

maybe read the protocols of sion (i'm not blaming the jews btw - i dont think they wrote it. illuminati probably did)
as in ''priory of sion' type people.

and i think ppl on alien planets live differently.

i'd bet some places they live simpler lives; have what they need have plenty of leisure time and are happy.

probably you can achieve amazing scientific breakthrus that wont harm the planet either - e.g. read victor schauberger's books about his inventions and how to have technology that doesnt disrupt nature or affect the natural balance.

I think a lot of it is mental.
What do you actually need and what do you want just because......

If you can live simply you will find you really dont need that much at all.
Cant take it with you anyway.

Originally posted by CIGGSofWAR
(The way it is created and treated IS one of the biggest problems to society) We do not create we can only manipulate, in lue we manipulate the uses the application, we manipulate more ways to apply it, You only know one way to live, the way you shown taught. Which is the application and minipulation of money.

Who is this "we"? Are you part of the problem or part of the sollution?

Sorry that I need to ask these two questions.........

Originally posted by CIGGSofWAR
Were living in a concept world if any collaspe occures in structure, your concept of reality will collaspe as well.
The word survival will have a new meaning other than the one you currently acknowledge.

Such as? Survival is a universal concept as far as I am concerned. To some people it means doing away with their bmw and driving a renault, while for others such as those in africa it means gathering enough berries and meat to fill their tummies.

Whats your version of "survival"?

I do not care about materialism, but that does not mean I have to hate it either..........