Do you feel like Having to Work is un-natural?

reply to post by ThreeThreeThree


Still going to college definitely pays off if you know which careers are stable and have good pay.

If you are going to college to just get an English or humanities degree then forget about it, you won't be able to market yourself with such a degree. The only jobs that will be available to you is teaching and other jobs that don't even require a degree in the first place.

Now if you go to college and get a marketable degree then you will be able to find a good job. Things aren't that bad for engineers like you said. Maybe for automotive and computer engineers but other than that all other fields of engineering are booming (chemical, biomedical, aerospace, etc.).

Now days a bachelors isn't really worth that much. You will need to find something that is secure from economic downturns. That is why going to professional school is such a good idea (doctors, pharmacists, and to a lesser extent lawyers).

The health care sector has largely been secure from the bad economy. People will always get sick and there will always be a need for doctors.

Arrrggghhh! Just work man! It helps to find the right job for yourself. Then its not work anymore but a passion. Until then: WORK. I hate people who are lazy. Not saying you are.... Start your own business. Find something you love to do and go do it as your own boss. Then let people work for you....Do good for others with the money you earn.
Give money away, buy your freedom: work is the key.

Work has always been a stability for me, its very easy to not work, stay in bed during the day, live at night, smoke weed and party every night. No not me anymore, been there done that. Life is not easy, work is a part of it. Try to find a balance between work and private life: its hard and you have to make choices.
I am proud I work all my life, very hard also. 70 hours a week sometimes more, I dont care: my fridge is full, my house is warm, my beer taste really good when I come home and I feel I deserved it today.

When your not able to work, when your sick or in trouble I understand, no hard feelings. But when your healthy, find a job, no matter what job you have to take: I respect anybody deeply going to work everyday and take care of your family. Its so, so very easy becoming a gangster and earn your money as a low life: I spit on guys like that, their no real men. Call me old fashion but I tell you everybody should work.
And ohh, almost forget, a housewife works very hard as well, staying home taking care of the kids and the household is a hell of a job!
Just my 2 cents

You can still live a simple life. However you have to be willing to give up everything to do it. Work has just replaced having to do those basic things. Instead for foriging and hunting you work for money so you can pay for someone else to supply it. Trick is just finding the right job you like and can make a decent living at. I would not allow myself to work those kind of hours.

Originally posted by CordDragonzord
It really depends on what you are working towards and how you feel about your job. I think that the majority of business and enterprise are all bought up which causes an influx in entry level positions, even for people who have taken college classes at esteemed universities. I had a friend that graduated college and still had to work at wal-mart to pay off loans. It really sucks.

that is become schooling is a business for both private and governed schools. The business markets the promise of a successful future MUCH more often than it can keep that promise because it has money it has to make.

I know my patterns in this world enough to know that I would be wasting my time to even try... so I never tried very hard to win that golden career... but then every job I have ever had, even little menial tasks are important to me and I am a pretty good worker. I also thought that I would not end up in the career i had chosen anyway... because I thought there would be so much turbulence... and I was right. This is not true for all, but many times it's not what you know but who you know. I look around and it seems I don't know anyone. one paper it seems I don't know anything. Where do I belong? I often feel it isn't here, or perhaps it is... for now. It's not that i wasn't concerned with survival... but i seem to be more interested in where the wind blows.... and no, that has nothing to do with wind. So many times i have had thought "I just wish someone would tell me what I am supposed to do from here" and to some that would seem preposterous! ...as in "WHAT...Let others dictate your life? Why would you do that it doesn't seem like you"...It isn't really in most regards... but perhaps in some small important way it is precisely what I need to know. Direction... and not just any direction. I will know the appropriate direction when I am shown it. That's hard for some to understand. It has even been hard for me to understand but thank god I don't have student loans.

Sometimes my life feels like I am sitting in a big room with people who know things and they keep making teasing taunting inuendos but never give an ounce of truth the real conversation.... and they keep teasing and taunting because they expect me to start the conversation about facts only they have "actual" access to... and since I am so tired of any and all ideals being scoffed at and being wary of my own misunderstandings to the point of very reasonable caution... the room goes silent, nothing is accomplished and all go home scratching their heads. These are not normal feeling... but for me they are PRECISELY normal.

Basically it boils down to this. First show me a glimpse of something real and if you are confused about the definition of real then I'm probably not talking to you in the first place so no need to chime in... Show me a glimpse of truth because I have absolutely no intentions of play pretending this game of life. I'd rather sit like a stone cold statue doing nothing but thumbing through the pages of my mind. I'm certainly not against trying hard for things, but in my life's patterns... "attempts" become designs of failure because of the contacts of certain others in my life. To some... it is "surrender" that my life's work should be. Complete surrender and desperation. That is actually not what I was supposed to learn so instead I turned and applied it to the world that was trying to teach that to me. In essence, I "give up" on those who try to teach me this notion. I am not one to give up really. It's annoying trying to explain my conflicting behaviors.

... but back to the post I am replying to... In sort of the same way, the person who now works at walmart and has student loans that they will find very difficult to charge off even if they are completely broke... they were tricked, they were taught a losing psychology. The bad part is that it works for some, therefore it is expected to apply to all. it's not fair. people SHOULD be giving up on many parts of the system... and they do, but in failure they often let it get them and they turn on themselves feeling like failures... and they shouldn't. it's a game that some simply cannot win. Try any other game before you let this system make you call yourself a failure. There is certainly no way all can win the same game... and those who push schooling off onto people will have everyone that walks into their office believe that they will win that game. It's false hope, they know it, they can't admit. Why? Their asses are tied to their jobs.

Originally posted by queenofsheba
You are exactly right! When I've sat and read all the anti-American, anti-government/establishment threads/posts here on ATS, I've thought then what the heck was the purpose of wiping out the Native culture off the face of the Earth for? They did have it right. But that's "advancement" and "technology" . I once read a book called "Earth Abides" and in it human civilization ultimately went back to the culture of Native Americans; that type of life. I'm so sick of people with their big complaint that "we as Americans need to revolt against the system." I have to shake my head at that, what you people are asking for is to revert back to simpler times, really.

edit on 12-2-2011 by queenofsheba because: spelling

What would have happened if the Spanish would have been smart enough to realize the natives were the care takers of the world.

Step forward and they have the final vote on technology and how it is used.
First off they know (or knew) how to survive on this planet and respect mother nature. Animals, water, air etc.

I had a professor tell me one time, we meaning us, only understand 10% of the technology we have and I believe it.

The native cultures understand 100% of their technology and environment.

I think you can have technology mesh with nature and natural living, but technology has to be in harmony with nature. As it exists now, we force technology on nature and bend nature to our will, and that is mostly due to corporate greed and impatience.

Take any one person and say, hey, I can give you the same technology, you might have to wait a few months longer or it might be slightly more expensive, but it will do the same thing and it will preserve you, me and our forchildren into the future and 99% of the people would say yes. The other 1% are the CEO's of Goldman Sachs, AEG and the like

Unfortunately the governments around the world are sided with the greedy corporate minions, or are takers themselves as is the case of China and its role in Africa right now.

Pretty disturbing what China is doing to Africa as we synthetically speak.

Originally posted by ahamarlin
Arrrggghhh! Just work man! It helps to find the right job for yourself. Then its not work anymore but a passion. Until then: WORK. I hate people who are lazy. Not saying you are.... Start your own business. Find something you love to do and go do it as your own boss. Then let people work for you....Do good for others with the money you earn.
Give money away, buy your freedom: work is the key.

Work has always been a stability for me, its very easy to not work, stay in bed during the day, live at night, smoke weed and party every night. No not me anymore, been there done that. Life is not easy, work is a part of it. Try to find a balance between work and private life: its hard and you have to make choices.
I am proud I work all my life, very hard also. 70 hours a week sometimes more, I dont care: my fridge is full, my house is warm, my beer taste really good when I come home and I feel I deserved it today.

When your not able to work, when your sick or in trouble I understand, no hard feelings. But when your healthy, find a job, no matter what job you have to take: I respect anybody deeply going to work everyday and take care of your family. Its so, so very easy becoming a gangster and earn your money as a low life: I spit on guys like that, their no real men. Call me old fashion but I tell you everybody should work.
And ohh, almost forget, a housewife works very hard as well, staying home taking care of the kids and the household is a hell of a job!
Just my 2 cents

yep fair enough.
i just cant work my trades job cuz i have major back issues... dont know if i can go back to it ever again

now i dont know what kind of job i want to do that doesnt involve to much physical labour.... i realize that probably means going to university... i just dont know what i want to do..

you say "start your own company" this is probably the only solution i have...... i know its not a realistic solution for everyone... but it's just a matter of working harder and working smarter than others...

if you have good ideas and motivation, id say my own company would be the way to go..

now... i just need to make this company about something... hmm.. brb...

Originally posted by HomeBrew
Regardless of how you go about it, one must always 'work' for food, shelter, safety, ect. It's as natural as breathing. So, no. I do not feel it's un-natural in the slightest.

? what a dork.

no . all necesaties of life should be equally free to all.
warmth,shelter,food,clothing.

BECAUSE YOU ARE LIFE!

if you want luxury, LABOR

this mental state people are in. where their spite rules the way the see reality. "oh i have to work so you have to as well" fkn prison theory 101. you people make me sick!. working is a joke. and those who give them selves up to it are jokes also. wtf is the point what are you building. what are you developing. what are you doing thats actually so great its worth risking life and limb over a packet of money that will just be taken off you as fast as you go it, just so u can go do it a little but harder than last week..

fools.

this world is #ed beause of it.!

no . all necesaties of life should be equally free to all.
warmth,shelter,food,clothing.

And who pays for that ??