Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate

to the comments regarding getting your own birth certificate being easy and just $20 - what you are getting is a COPY. i think the "conspiracy" is that people want to see the original. if all original birth certificates remained somewhere that would be a massive stack of paper. i dunno. i don't think i can get my "original" birth certificate. i'm not sure it exists anymore. i can get copies though.

reply to post by Southern Guardian

So, you want this president to show you his original birth certificate to uphold the constitution, but you don't require other presidents because... you don't care about them? That is a great case you are making there for the birther movement.

If you don't have the original birth certificates for the other presidents, just say so. Simple.

It's been said a million times before, but Obama is not being treated uniquely. Senator McCain had to have a Congressional Hearing to establish his eligibility because he was born outside the US on a military base. He was born, to two U.S. citizens, on a U.S. military base, and he still had his eligibility challenged. Obama has not proven where he was born, and we know one of his parents was not a citizen, and somehow it is a crime to challenge his eligibility?

I know the Obamanites want their savoir to be entirely unique in every way, and it isn't enough that he was elected by both the popular and electoral votes (better than Bush, lol). I voted for the guy, and it had nothing to do with him being black. I won't vote for him next time around, and it still won't have anything to do with him being black.

Chester A. Arthur (1829–1886), 21st president of the United States, was rumored to have been born in Canada.[35][36] This was never demonstrated by his Democratic opponents, although Arthur Hinman, an attorney who had investigated Arthur's family history, raised the objection during his vice-presidential campaign and after the end of his Presidency.

The eligibility of Charles Evans Hughes (1862–1948) was questioned in an article written by Breckinridge Long, and published in the Chicago Legal News during the U.S. presidential election of 1916, in which Hughes was narrowly defeated by Woodrow Wilson. Long claimed that Hughes was ineligible because his father had not yet naturalized at the time of his birth and was still a British citizen

George Romney (1907–1995), who ran for the Republican party nomination in 1968, was born in Mexico to U.S. parents. Romney’s grandfather had emigrated to Mexico in 1886 with his three wives and children after Utah outlawed polygamy. Romney's monogamous parents retained their U.S. citizenship and returned to the United States with him in 1912. Romney never received Mexican citizenship, because the country's nationality laws had been restricted to jus-sanguinis statutes due to prevailing politics aimed against American settlers.[43] George Romney therefore had no allegiance to a foreign country.

Barry Goldwater (1909–1998) was born in Phoenix, in what was then the incorporated Arizona Territory of the United States. During his presidential campaign in 1964, there was a minor controversy over Goldwater's having been born in Arizona when it was not yet a state.[35]

Lowell Weicker (born 1931), the former Connecticut Senator, Representative, and Governor, entered the race for the Republican party nomination of 1980 but dropped out before voting in the primaries began. He was born in Paris, France to parents who were U.S. citizens. His father was an executive for E. R. Squibb & Sons and his mother was the Indian-born daughter of a British general.[44]

Róger Calero (born 1969) was born in Nicaragua and ran as the Socialist Worker's Party presidential candidate in 2004 and 2008. In 2008, Calero appeared on the ballot in Delaware, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York and Vermont.[45]

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Originally posted by enemoplem
i think the "conspiracy" is that people want to see the original.

Read the birther petition, and show me where it says "original":

www.wnd.com...

You and Southern Guardian are making that up about "original".

I speculated that some offices may have microfilmed old records to save space, so it's possible that what the Obama campaign could actually get upon request might be something like a reproduction made from the microfilmed record. If it shows the details like hospital of birth, etc which appear on the long form, it appears to be what the petition is asking for. However if they did have an original record (a piece of paper signed by the physician), which I doubt they would have, the best they might do with Obama's permission, would be to allow factcheck.org come in and make a supervised examination of it, and make a photocopy of it, but they shouldn't give it out to anyone, at least I wouldn't if I was running that office.

Greeting Nano-Birth R-Us-ers,

I was wondering what was going on too... ithought maybe the Volcano ate it ... As some of us UCC1-207 3/4 er's know... when you are born your worth some dough... maybe Mr O had to give it to China for living collateral in the new AmeriChina for what we all O~E~O to slave camp work we go ... China has slave labor... AmeriChina has Mexican's... let's not be hypocrites... and like we still have free speech... it's become a privilege now in the great US&C

Mr X-Chow-Fun

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IMPEACH THE CRIMINAL!

Second line.

Originally posted by enemoplem
to the comments regarding getting your own birth certificate being easy and just $20 - what you are getting is a COPY. i think the "conspiracy" is that people want to see the original. if all original birth certificates remained somewhere that would be a massive stack of paper. i dunno. i don't think i can get my "original" birth certificate. i'm not sure it exists anymore. i can get copies though.

...and, we have not even seen a copy, either.

All we have seen is a fake COLB.

second line.

reply to post by dolphinfan


Whats with you Americans?
In my country birth certificate as well as passport is held in person's house not in hospital.

Originally posted by archasama
reply to post by dolphinfan

 

Whats with you Americans?
In my country birth certificate as well as passport is held in person's house not in hospital.

Not in USofC... we are all born slaves to debt and sick in the head according to our national debt(who do we owe this to?)... so American citizens don't really own themselves but it's for our own good

Wiki... Wiki... Wiki... Alert;

(Fun Fact)... Did you know we are all classified in a very special IRS coding system as Drug dealers and money launders... so right away we are all guilty first

Mr X-FreeDOOM

Originally posted by archasama
reply to post by dolphinfan

 

Whats with you Americans?
In my country birth certificate as well as passport is held in person's house not in hospital.

Obama was holding his birth certificate at one point too, he wrote about it in his book. So that raises at least 3 possibilities that I can think of:

-He said he had it, but he didn't have it.
-He had it, but he since lost it.
-He had it then, and has it now, but doesn't want to show it.

If I was going to guess I'd guess the third option, but Obama has never really addressed this so we don't really know what happened to it. In any case it's not that relevant since if he lost it, the Hawaii Dept of Health has offered to supply him with records.

What do you folks do if you lose yours? Aren't you able to get replacements somehow?

An interesting site I came across. I took a screen shot just in case the page happens to vanish


wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com...

reply to post by Arbitrageur


The real problem is that ONLY a short form exists. There was no long form and there is no hospital record, because he was not born at a hospital. This was common for the time. Many children were born outside of hospitals, and it only took a little bit of information sent into the DOH to get the short-form completed.

The only way to get the long form was to be born at a Hawaiian hospital.

So, we can never have any closure to this issue, it is impossible. He could have been born a block away from the hospital, or he could have been born in Kenya, the documentation would be the same. That is precisely why the short-form is unacceptable.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by Arbitrageur

 

The real problem is that ONLY a short form exists. There was no long form and there is no hospital record, because he was not born at a hospital. This was common for the time. Many children were born outside of hospitals, and it only took a little bit of information sent into the DOH to get the short-form completed.

The only way to get the long form was to be born at a Hawaiian hospital.

So, we can never have any closure to this issue, it is impossible. He could have been born a block away from the hospital, or he could have been born in Kenya, the documentation would be the same. That is precisely why the short-form is unacceptable.

Ok!... maybe when he was baby Mr o he was floated down the Pacific river in a basket(lol)... or he was just created from the beginning... Kind of look's like RA too.

Mr X-Clone

reply to post by CONSPIRACYWARRIOR


Exactly, he could have crashed in on a comet like Superman baby, he could have been spit out of one of those Hawaiian volcanoes, he could have been hatched from a platypus egg, unless it happened in a hospital in front of a doctor, we will never have definitive proof. In the absence of proof, the argument is moot, but we can take steps to prevent this situation in the future. We can define what "natural born" means, and we can decide what documents are required to prove eligibility, and we can make sure someone at the DOD, Secret Service, and State Department is responsible for determining eligibility before swearing in an elected candidate.

The short form is not sufficient for many government jobs, so it should not be sufficient for president. If he was born at home or born out of the country or out of the solar system and his parents were not both citizens, then he can not prove his eligibility.

In the future, either we will have to agree that a short form is sufficient or we will have to decide that further corroboration is required before the swearing in.

Hmm, smells as fishy now as it did two years ago, makes me wonder if it really ever really existed in the first place.

Why are some people so quick to accept the false notion that "right wing rhetoric" leads to voilence, yet refuse to even consider the possibility of Obama's ineligibility?

We can all agree there is far more evidence that supports the latter.

all i have to say is if they cannot find the birth certificate there is alot of atsers that need to wake up from their slumbering sleep and stop drinking the obama kool-aid

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Now your a Real-Stinker too... But what if we just believe in that maybe just maybe... Jesus did come from another planet... but I know he walked on water(sandbar) and grew arms for people too... but at the same time a few wiping and some nails on a cross killed his flesh vessel


Mr X from planet Krypton

Originally posted by kernel32
An interesting site I came across. I took a screen shot just in case the page happens to vanish


wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com...

WOW!!!!!!

THAT is the smoking gun right there!!!!!

Originally posted by Arbitrageur

Originally posted by CaDreamer
the Unconstitutional law that AZ wishes to foist upon its people would make ineligible millions of Americans from becoming president.

You mean the law that says candidates must prove their constitutional eligibility is unconstitutional?

A law like the one in Arizona you mention is unconstitutional, not because the law would require persons to prove their eligibility, but because it’s a state law. It’s obvious that the issue of eligibility to the office of the President is a federal matter.

Have any of you read the bill in question? I’m sure you haven’t, because it doesn’t say people are required to present their long form birth certificates.

B. (...) Within ten days after submittal of the names of the candidates, the national political party committee shall submit an affidavit of the presidential candidate in which the presidential candidate states the candidate’s citizenship and age and shall append to the affidavit documents that prove the candidate is a natural born citizen, prove the candidate’s age and prove that the candidate meets the residency requirements for President of the United States as prescribed in Article II, Section 1, Constitution of the United States.

Nowhere in the bill is it specified what documents it requires, and which ones aren’t accepted. Under a reading of that provision, the short form birth certificate would be sufficient. And then we have paragraph (C) which is the even more fun, and unconstitutional—

C. The Secretary of state shall review the affidavit and other documents submitted by the national political party committee and, if the Secretary of state, has reasonable cause to believe the that candidate does not meet the citizenship, age and residency requirements prescribed by law, the Secretary of state shall not place that candidate’s name on the ballot.

So not only is it never specified exactly what documents are required, it gives the secretary of state discretionary power to deny someone’s name on the ballot because the secretary has “reasonable cause to believe the candidate does not meet” the requirements. These people are out of their minds!

In any event, the bill hasn’t been made into law yet, and I highly doubt it will. In the event that it does, the only thing this bill does is ensure there will be even more lawsuits for the 2012 election.

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
What do you folks do if you lose yours? Aren't you able to get replacements somehow?

Yes indeed there's no problem getting a new one here.
Everyone's info that shows up on the birth certificate is in database here we just need to go to some government's institution and to pay a small fee. Voila.

So what kind of BS is that they are searching for his birth certificate in hospital?
I bet there's data on database.

Don't you have a thing called "Register of citizens" or something like that in USA where information about everyone's birth place and date can be found?

Who cares if I loose the original birth certificate?

To hell with the messenger! As long as the message is what I want to hear everything's true, damnit!