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Obama's Birth certificate: Hawaii Governor Abercrombie's Birther mission

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posted on Jan, 5 2011 @ 09:14 PM
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Isnt it wonderful to be the type of person that doesnt have such a miserable personality and to have the ability to simply question or comment on things in life without resorting to name calling and smartalec insults of other peoples opinions or thoughts, it really truly is a good trait to have.
You've got valid points, and dont let the insults get into your head,
the way some people talk/post to other people you'd think they were almost paid to maintain that level of anger and prejudice, and no doubt there will be some legendary awesome smartassed reply to this as well.
Like water off a ducks back,

the question still remains,
where oh where was Barry Soetoro/Barrack Obama really born.




posted on Jan, 6 2011 @ 04:41 AM
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Originally posted by Sinnthia

Originally posted by KnoxMSP
All I said is if they released something with that information on it, that it would put the issue to rest with me.

I know what you said. That is why I responded to exactly what you said. It was nonsense. I was letting you know.

I'm sorry you two are having trouble trying to understand that.

As well you should be.

I don't know what else to say, because neither of your posts had anything to do with mine...

Actually it was a direct response to point out to you those things are not required to be on a BC so there is no point in asking for one with them on it. You statement makes as much sense as demanding to see his driver's license but only the one that lists his home planet and BMI. Good luck with asking for things that do not exist. If you are going to handwave reasonble explanations as to why you are asking for something that does not exist then you are going to need more luck and appologies along that way. Might want to take this one back.


It doesn't matter what you think is required, or not required on a BC. That's exactly what you do not understand. I am entitled to think whatever I want, regardless of what you think is neccessary for a BC, and if a delivering doctors name and signature is what I require to put the issue to rest with me, there is nothing you can say, or any point you can make to change that. What do you not understand about that? You are not arguing the point, you are responding with tangents, that in no way relate to what I said.

If you can't understand the basics of a conversation I will just refrain from responding to you. When you're ready to have an intelligent conversation, and respond to my post when quoting me, let me know, and we can have that conversation. Until you can prove yourself capable of doing that this conversation is going to be between yourself, and, well, yourself.



posted on Jan, 6 2011 @ 05:37 AM
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Originally posted by KnoxMSP
It doesn't matter what you think is required, or not required on a BC.

I know that. The only thing that matters is what is required to be on a BC and that is what I gave you. I even gave you links to why but in true birther form, you seemed to pretend not to see that.

That's exactly what you do not understand. I am entitled to think whatever I want, regardless of what you think is neccessary for a BC, and if a delivering doctors name and signature is what I require to put the issue to rest with me, there is nothing you can say, or any point you can make to change that.

That makes no sense. Just because you want to see a BC with a nurse and doctor signature does not mean they will change their policy to require that be on there for you. You do not seem to understand how birth certificates work but I see no one ever asks here. You all just make up things and believe it. You can want and think that the you should be able to eat moon cheese if we ever went to the moon but no friggin moon cheese is going to just materialize because of what you want.
That is what you do not seem to understand. You can say you want to see a birth certificate with his favorite color on it too. That wont make them do that for you.

What do you not understand about that?

The part without any logic to it.

You are not arguing the point, you are responding with tangents, that in no way relate to what I said.

I am telling you the facts. You are demanding something imaginary. You can keep doing that but that will leave you always asking for that thing you made up in your head. I am trying to help with facts but you just stated this is only about what you think, not what is.


If you can't understand the basics of a conversation I will just refrain from responding to you.

If you cannot understand the basics of what a birth certificate is, then there is no hope. As long as it is funny to me, I will respond to you though.

When you're ready to have an intelligent conversation, and respond to my post when quoting me, let me know, and we can have that conversation. Until you can prove yourself capable of doing that this conversation is going to be between yourself, and, well, yourself.


When you are ready to learn what a birth certificate is so that you know what it is you should be demanding to see, you let me know.



posted on Jan, 6 2011 @ 06:52 AM
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Okay, last response to these circular arguments with yourself...


Those are all things that matter to you. Not to me. If you want to have a conversation about what is required to be on a BC, you can talk to yourself. When you want to talk about resovling the issue of what I, personally, require to put this whole thing to rest for me, let me know. Otherwise you are not responding to what I said, and therefore only talking to yourself.

It is very frustarting trying to converse with someone who doesn't know the basic concept of a discussion.



posted on Jan, 6 2011 @ 07:01 AM
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Sinnthia... This is an easy one.. he is not saying that they require it or should.. he is saying that this is what HE requires.. that's funny!!! ..

Knox, you should also lay out your difference of opinion on requirements for a drivers license ... Maybe you have different eligibility requirements for college too? Any other personal opinions you would like to inject into a previously rational discussion?



posted on Jan, 6 2011 @ 04:06 PM
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Originally posted by KnoxMSP
Okay, last response to these circular arguments with yourself...


Those are all things that matter to you.


Nope, those are just the facts. You want this to be personal but it is not. The only way to prove otherwise would be to go and find out for yourself. You clearly refuse.

Not to me. If you want to have a conversation about what is required to be on a BC, you can talk to yourself.

LMAO! Really? So I am just being crazy for discussing the reality of birth certificates?

When you want to talk about resovling the issue of what I, personally, require to put this whole thing to rest for me, let me know.

It might be a while because I do not forsee me ever being interested in what you think should be on a birth certificate. Your opinion of what should be there is not in accordance with verifiably reality. If you want to sit around demanding forms contain information you want them to, you are more than welcome to take it eslewhere.

Otherwise you are not responding to what I said, and therefore only talking to yourself.

I am responding to exactly what you said. You are asking for two signatures on a BC that will not be found on a BC. The only response is to inform you that is not going to happen becuase it is not reality. I am sorry I cannot cater to your personal fantasies and desires.



It is very frustarting trying to converse with someone who doesn't know the basic concept of a discussion.


Tell me about it. You have no idea how much my head hurts after going round and round with someone whos entire argument is that they do not care what is on a birth certificate because they want something else to be on there and will not be happy until they see one that has the information they personally just feel should be there even though it is not because it is not legally required.
Yeah, it is frustrating as hell. Maybe you can get one of your cohorts to reframe your agument. See how that goes?



posted on Jan, 6 2011 @ 04:07 PM
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Originally posted by Resurrectio
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Sinnthia... This is an easy one.. he is not saying that they require it or should.. he is saying that this is what HE requires.. that's funny!!! ..

Knox, you should also lay out your difference of opinion on requirements for a drivers license ... Maybe you have different eligibility requirements for college too? Any other personal opinions you would like to inject into a previously rational discussion?



It is just too funny. Everyone else is crazy for not understanding that all he needs is to see a form that should have some stuff on it that he would like to see on it. Its almost too logical.



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 10:55 AM
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As long as I have to show a Birth document to get my DL , and a host of other documents to get anything done, and I have to keep proving who I am in my own country to Government workers the the President has to show the same also.

This calling anyone who would like to see this document a Birther is just another way to belittle anyone who thinks other than the poster of this story .
When this comes out, and it will , we are going to see quite a lot of back stepping and we did not mean what we said statements .
And we are already seeing as I see it Elected government Officials trying to distant their selves from this issue , and we are going to see more of this as the months go by.

As far as the other parties having money to dig into this and get the answer does not mean a thing, they can not get into records anymore than you or I can, and as to asking someone to let the data out , it has already happened.
They have stated that no one can find the document that is being asked for. You can not find data on something that is not there. If it is thought that this person is not telling the truth then this needs to be investigated even more to find out why one would have said a thing like this knowing what the outcome would have been. And if he was not telling the truth then Obama and crew would have had this person in court making sure that the truth was told to everyone .

This item alone is going to keep Obama from being elected again, watch what happens the next election as this is brought up , and it will be by the news and many people in places of power .
And when this comes out and it will as it has to, we will see a mess beyond what we could have ever thought of if it is found that he was not eligible to run the first time . Everything will have to be redone , and I am not so sure that this is why some have not done anything about this issue up to this date . We will see a huge reformation of our Government.
If Obama was in the right then people are going to be very angry that he did not just tell everyone in the first place to stop all of this searching , and having people of this Nation wondering if all of this is real in the first place. Either way I do not think Obama will win the next election . And this issue is going to be a big part of Obama not being reelected.



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 12:22 PM
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Well, hello there! I did not know that this world revolves around you.. Nice to meet you.

hahahahahaha You have a black president.. nanananana Your president is black.. Get over it!

Did anyone see bushes BC? Regan? Clinton?? Did Obama show a short form? Now you require a long form?

Could the alphabet agency create any document Obama needed? Case closed - Birthers will NEVER be satisfied..

"Even if he showed me one now, why didn't he show me one 2 yrs ago?" "Look at it, it is fake!!"

Get over it.. You have a black president!!!!

guess what... When he buys beer, he doesn't have to show proof of ID.. IMPEACH HIM!!!!

lmfao - You have a black president! Rally the clan.



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 12:29 PM
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Yes. No govt. official vetted Obama.

Or any other president.



posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 02:04 PM
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What does the man being black have to do with anything?

I have a lot of black friends, and still want to see the BC with a doctors signature on it.



posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 03:01 PM
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Why do you want to see something from this president you have never cared to see from any other president? What makes Obama different to you?



posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 05:09 PM
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[moTextAbercrombie, a member of the Socialist Party of America is going to expose Obama..Give me a break!
The clown was bought and paid for by MoveOn, Maxist ,Soros to expose the next fake birth certificate (long form) when it's completed. Haven't you people caught on to the games that these criminal's are playing? It's so obvious now that it's become pathetic. The world knows, DC knows and anyone that continues to support this lying treasous criminal POUS is only making a total, stupid fool out of themselves. This is why there is an international boycott against the treason state of Hawaii www.boycotthawaii.com
Check out Obama's resume: www.commieblaster.com



posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 06:35 PM
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When they didn't release Bush's transcripts I was on that bandwagon.


Also, we have never had a president to withhold this much information, or one with such a "cloudy" past. Speaking of transcripts, since everyone went all crazy about Bush, where are Obama's? And where are all the people who called for Bush to release his transcripts, asking this president to show his? Why is it okay for people to ask for Bush's paperwork, but not Obama's?



posted on Jan, 12 2011 @ 11:52 PM
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Originally posted by KnoxMSP
Also, we have never had a president to withhold this much information,


Sure of that? Then provide links to all the previous Presidents birth certificates, and other documentation that you claim Obama is withholding. If you cannot do that we know you are just trolling again.



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 12:49 AM
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The natural born clause exists to try and prevent anyone with divided loyalties from becoming POTUS - on the grounds that you cannot serve two masters,or sit between two stools.

There has not been this level of concern with previous presidents - so it is largely irrelevent what has happened in their cases - and is just another fake stonewalling argument.

With Obamas degree and level of connections throughout his life, largely ignored by the media - to an unholy mixture of Communists, terrorists, radicals, America haters, Islamicicsts and crooks - he would not even be considered for a job in his own security detail, let alone palm off enquiries with an 'its racist to ask' attitude or 'I'm entitled to my privacy' argument.

Every single document from Obamas past - that would show what passport,name or nationality - he was using at the time has been hidden and sealed - despite his claiming to be mr transparency!



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 12:56 AM
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Originally posted by JohhnyBGood
Every single document from Obamas past - that would show what passport,name or nationality - he was using at the time has been hidden and sealed


So show us those documents from all previous Presidents - your refusal to just reinforces the fact that it is just about Obama being the first non white POTUS!



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 12:58 AM
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Originally posted by JohhnyBGood
With Obamas degree and level of connections throughout his life, largely ignored by the media - to an unholy mixture of Communists, terrorists, radicals, America haters, Islamicicsts and crooks - he would not even be considered for a job in his own security detail, let alone palm off enquiries with an 'its racist to ask' attitude or 'I'm entitled to my privacy' argument.


But there is no way he could just forge every type of birth certificate on the planet? Wow. So he basically runs the world and is connected to everyone and everything but cannot get his hands on a decent lazer printer?



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 02:04 AM
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Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by JohhnyBGood
Every single document from Obamas past - that would show what passport,name or nationality - he was using at the time has been hidden and sealed


So show us those documents from all previous Presidents - your refusal to just reinforces the fact that it is just about Obama being the first non white POTUS!


No - it's about divided loyalties, that has never been a concern before.

Your response is just another variation on the 'its racist to even ask' phony argument, to avoid answering the real issues.

Do you suppose someone with his background would get a security clearance?

Why then do you think it is acceptable for someone to be holding the nuclear launch codes, who was mentored by a member of the Communist party, with a 600 page FBI file.

Or whose education was paid for by an Islamicist Saudi
prince.

Or whose political carreer was started off by a terrorist.

Whose nationality might be American, Kenyan, Indonesian, British??

Everyone who helped him towards the White House, hates America - not least of all George Sorros!


And your response to anyone who demands that he show he is elligible to hold that office - 'its racist to even ask!
Pathetic! - just who do you think you are kidding!?



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 02:08 AM
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Ahhh, the old "it's different with this guy cuz there is just something about this guy that is different to me, not that I am racist" argument again eh.
that old schtick? Divided loyalties? Based on what again? Personal suspicion? Based on what? Some feeling? What is it? Any person could just raise all those strawmen about anyone. Good to see so much work going into the masks finally.



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