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Obama's Birth certificate: Hawaii Governor Abercrombie's Birther mission

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posted on Jan, 4 2011 @ 11:08 AM
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I said "the public" without making ANY assumptions of what the sampling size was, or what group should or would base their decisions on that sampling size.

In fact, it was YOU who gave all of the attributes to my statement, creating your own idea of what the sampling size would have been and how large the impact would have been.

So, while trying to insult me, you became guilty of what you assumed I was guilty of.

Nice try though.




posted on Jan, 4 2011 @ 03:29 PM
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Since the thread degraded to an insult and quip fest, with the superior intellect blinding and the surety as stout as the berlin wall, maybe it would be better closed.
It's actually too painful to read anymore.



posted on Jan, 4 2011 @ 04:33 PM
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Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by tom502
but the question is why does he not release his birth certificate if he is not hiding something?


Another silly birther who has not realised that in fact Obama HAS released hisd birth certificate....


Please show me where he has released his birth certificate. And not his record of live birth.

People want the long form.

Why is this being suppressed?



posted on Jan, 4 2011 @ 04:40 PM
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From your post it seems you do not really know what a birth certificate is so I am forced to ask, how would you know anything you were shown was real? If you got your "long form" how exactly would you confirm it is what it is supposed to be?



posted on Jan, 4 2011 @ 04:48 PM
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Well, with the billions of tax monies, and the top CIA forgers, I admit, they could forge a birth certificate, and I'm suprised they haven't already. But the long form BC is not the same as the COLB. People know the differences. I lean to that he was born in the US, I just can't understand why he wants this kept secret at a higher level than Area 51.



posted on Jan, 4 2011 @ 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by tom502
Please show me where he has released his birth certificate. And not his record of live birth.


They are one and the same, something else silly birthers do not realise...


People want the long form. Why is this being suppressed?


It is NOT being suppressed,, Hawaii do not issue them anymore.



posted on Jan, 4 2011 @ 04:58 PM
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Originally posted by tom502
Well, with the billions of tax monies, and the top CIA forgers, I admit, they could forge a birth certificate, and I'm suprised they haven't already.

So at least you already prepped your dismissal of anything you might get in the future. Solid argument.


But the long form BC is not the same as the COLB.

Legally, what is the difference?

People know the differences.

I doubt that.

I lean to that he was born in the US, I just can't understand why he wants this kept secret at a higher level than Area 51.

Nothing is being kept secret, are you actually open to learning this or are you going to stick to the idea that anything further produced could have been forged anyway so it just goes in circles?

Seriosuly, is there anyone that doubts Obama's birth that is actually willing to have a serious conversation about it?

I see a lot of "I am not a birther but why is he hiding this and that" or "I believe he was born here but I do not understand why he won't show ..." mixed in with the usual same old lies that have been spread in chain mails for two years now.

I do not ever see anyone actually being open to learning anything.



posted on Jan, 4 2011 @ 05:08 PM
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Who was the delivering doctor who signed BO's BC? Who was the attending nurse who signed the BC? If they would show something that would answer those two questions the issue would be resolved to me.



posted on Jan, 4 2011 @ 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by KnoxMSP
Who was the delivering doctor who signed BO's BC? Who was the attending nurse who signed the BC? If they would show something that would answer those two questions the issue would be resolved to me.


What makes you assume both were present? They do not have to be for all births....



posted on Jan, 4 2011 @ 05:13 PM
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Originally posted by KnoxMSP
Who was the delivering doctor who signed BO's BC? Who was the attending nurse who signed the BC? If they would show something that would answer those two questions the issue would be resolved to me.


None of those things is a requirement for a birth certificate and thus why they are not included on the just as legal short form.



posted on Jan, 4 2011 @ 05:59 PM
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Oh My GAWD !

That's it!
I am now officially in the twilight zone,
Doctors and Nurses dont have to be in the O.R. for the birth,
and
Doctors dont sign off on the paperwork of the birth.
If there was a gun eating icon to use I'd click it 1,000,000,000,000,000 times.
This has now gone full blown retard.
That's it, I'm done reading crazy talk, dear sweet feathery pickle sticks our nation is in deep trouble.


"What makes you assume both were present? They do not have to be for all births...."

Long forms, also known as certified photocopies, book copies, and photostat copies, are exact photocopies of the original birth record that was prepared by the hospital or attending physician at the time of the child's birth.
www.cdc.gov...

"None of those things is a requirement for a birth certificate and thus why they are not included on the just as legal short form. "

edit on 4-1-2011 by HappilyEverAfter because: because my brain started to hurt from the myopic anger posts prior



posted on Jan, 4 2011 @ 06:47 PM
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Originally posted by tom502
Well, with the billions of tax monies, and the top CIA forgers, I admit, they could forge a birth certificate, and I'm suprised they haven't already. But the long form BC is not the same as the COLB. People know the differences. I lean to that he was born in the US, I just can't understand why he wants this kept secret at a higher level than Area 51.

I'm thinking it's because he'd end up on Maury's show with unfavorable answers to a paternity test.
I personally wish the guy would just grow a set overnight and 1) put this crap to bed, and
2) raise 9 yards of hell and overturn alot of this police state b.s.

then....he can go on to be the greatest whatever he wants to be, but he's going to actually EARN IT and not walk around like some proud rooster that's never seen a fight but has all the titles.
Come on Barry.....grow a set!

www.westernjournalism.com...
edit on 4-1-2011 by HappilyEverAfter because: to add



posted on Jan, 4 2011 @ 07:18 PM
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Originally posted by HappilyEverAfter
I am now officially in the twilight zone


Yes you certainly are, you have no concept of reality!


Doctors and Nurses dont have to be in the O.R. for the birth,


Here you show your ignorance of the real world, assuming all babies are born in a O.R...


This has now gone full blown retard.


Yes, the silly birther conspiracy theories certainly are just that!



posted on Jan, 4 2011 @ 07:40 PM
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Tell ya what sunshine,
he was born in an O.R. correct?
he was born in Kapioliani hospital and his sister said he was born at Queens hospital, correct?
he wasnt born at home, or on a beach, or in Kenya , correct?

because if he wasnt born in an O.R. in Hawaii he wouldnt have people saying he was, correct?
and he wouldnt have a birth certificate, at least not the type he has, correct?

Here is a summary of Hawaii’s “state policies and procedures” in 1961.

In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were four different ways to get an “original birth certificate” on record. They varied greatly in their reliability as evidence. For convenience, I’ll call them BC1, BC2, BC3, and BC4.

BC1. If the birth was attended by a physician or mid wife, the attending medical professional was required to certify to the Department of Health the facts of the birth date, location, parents’ identities and other information. (See Section 57-8 & 9 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).

BC2. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then all that was required was that one of the parents send in a birth certificate to be filed. The birth certificate could be filed by mail. There appears to have been no requirement for the parent to actually physically appear before “the local registrar of the district.” It would have been very easy for a relative to forge an absent parent’s signature to a form and mail it in. In addition, if a claim was made that “neither parent of the newborn child whose birth is unattended as above provided is able to prepare a birth certificate, the local registrar shall secure the necessary information from any person having knowledge of the birth and prepare and file the certificate.” (Section 57-8&9) I asked the Dept of Health what they currently ask for (in 2008) to back up a parent’s claim that a child was born in Hawaii. I was told that all they required was a proof of residence in Hawaii (e.g. a driver’s license [We know from interviews with her friends on Mercer Island in Washington State that Ann Dunham had acquired a driver’s license by the summer of 1961 at the age of 17] or telephone bill) and pre-natal (statement or report that a woman was pregnant) and post-natal (statement or report that a new-born baby has been examined) certification by a physician. On further enquiry, the employee that I spoke to informed me that the pre-natal and post-natal certifications had probably not been in force in the ‘60s. Even if they had been, there is and was no requirement for a physician or midwife to witness, state or report that the baby was born in Hawaii.

BC3. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then, up to the first birthday of the child, a “Delayed Certificate” could be filed, which required that “a summary statement of the evidence submitted in support of the acceptance for delayed filing or the alteration [of a file] shall be endorsed on the certificates”, which “evidence shall be kept in a special permanent file.” The statute provided that “the probative value of a ‘delayed’ or ‘altered’ certificate shall be determined by the judicial or administrative body or official before whom the certificate is offered as evidence.” (See Section 57- 9, 18, 19 & 20 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).”

[In other words, this form of vault birth certificate, the Delayed Certificate, required no more than a statement before a government bureaucrat by one of the parents or (the law does not seem to me clear on this) one of Barack Obama’s grandparents. If the latter is true, Ann Dunham did not have to be present for this statement or even in the country.]

BC4. If a child is born in Hawaii, for whom no physician or mid wife filed a certificate of live birth, and for whom no Delayed Certificate was filed before the first birthday, then a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth could be issued upon testimony of an adult (including the subject person [i.e. the birth child as an adult]) if the Office of the Lieutenant Governor was satisfied that a person was born in Hawaii, provided that the person had attained the age of one year. (See Section 57-40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961.) In 1955 the “secretary of the Territory” was in charge of this procedure. In 1960 it was transferred to the Office of the Lieutenant Governor (“the lieutenant governor, or his secretary, or such other person as he may designate or appoint from his office” §338-41 [in 1961]).

www.westernjournalism.com...


Read the rest, then reference it to other threads, other stories,
dont be so afraid to take in something new,
and as far as your famous personal insults go when replying to people, seriously, it's not so cool,
it makes you look prejudice and dumb, and I really dont think you are, but that's ALL I ever see from you,
is like slams on people.
Keep it up though if it's what you need I guess.



posted on Jan, 4 2011 @ 09:17 PM
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Originally posted by thecinic
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You just edited it out!

You said *Would you like to see my COLB*!

That is a very shill thing to do..

Even more making your point mute.


What? Did you catch him editing that out his post?

You've got to be kidding, that is the tactic of a shill, a phony, an operative, a paid misinformation officer...

I think he should be banned!!!



posted on Jan, 4 2011 @ 10:36 PM
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Originally posted by HappilyEverAfter
Oh My GAWD !

That's it!
I am now officially in the twilight zone,
Doctors and Nurses dont have to be in the O.R. for the birth,
and
Doctors dont sign off on the paperwork of the birth.
If there was a gun eating icon to use I'd click it 1,000,000,000,000,000 times.
This has now gone full blown retard.
That's it, I'm done reading crazy talk, dear sweet feathery pickle sticks our nation is in deep trouble.


"What makes you assume both were present? They do not have to be for all births...."

Long forms, also known as certified photocopies, book copies, and photostat copies, are exact photocopies of the original birth record that was prepared by the hospital or attending physician at the time of the child's birth.
www.cdc.gov...

"None of those things is a requirement for a birth certificate and thus why they are not included on the just as legal short form. "

edit on 4-1-2011 by HappilyEverAfter because: because my brain started to hurt from the myopic anger posts prior


Not sure just what your issue is here.

In 2006, there were 38,568 out-of-hospital births in the United States, including 24,970 home births and 10,781 births occurring in freestanding birthing centers.
here

There is no legal requirement for a doctor signature or hospital name on a birth certificate for the simple fact that so many people are born outside that construct that requiring them would be pointless.

Now you can go on about how Obama was indeed born in a hospital with a doctor but that will not chage the fact that neither the doctor or hospital name need be on any birth certificate.

Conclusion :Asking for a BC with information on it that is not need, required, or considered proof of anything at all is just a diversion tactic and not in touch with reality at all.



posted on Jan, 4 2011 @ 10:43 PM
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Did you notice clinic hadn't been back? Did you drop your drool guard and fail to read the remaining portion of the thread? Let me guess, you are a birther? How did I know that? Lets blame that on OBVIOUS lack of any comprehension skills! If you look back at the post in question... it has not been edited. He realized that he made himself look like a full blown fool.... Then, here you come skipping down lala road and slip... right into full on ignorant mode!

I hope you are proud.. You just raised the bar for birthers... Now they have ZERO to aim for!



posted on Jan, 5 2011 @ 05:38 PM
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All I said is if they released something with that information on it, that it would put the issue to rest with me. I'm sorry you two are having trouble trying to understand that.
I don't know what else to say, because neither of your posts had anything to do with mine...
edit on 5-1-2011 by KnoxMSP because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 5 2011 @ 06:52 PM
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I think it's clear that this issue is only an issue for those who either don't understand basic facts, or willfully ignore them to continue their "birther" agenda. I mean, of all the truly negative things you could fault barack obama for, for THIS to be a focus for the far right just further destroys their credibility. It's awesome though; like a rather spectacular train wreck. Please carry on. I'll bring more popcorn



posted on Jan, 5 2011 @ 07:57 PM
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Originally posted by KnoxMSP
All I said is if they released something with that information on it, that it would put the issue to rest with me.

I know what you said. That is why I responded to exactly what you said. It was nonsense. I was letting you know.

I'm sorry you two are having trouble trying to understand that.

As well you should be.

I don't know what else to say, because neither of your posts had anything to do with mine...

Actually it was a direct response to point out to you those things are not required to be on a BC so there is no point in asking for one with them on it. You statement makes as much sense as demanding to see his driver's license but only the one that lists his home planet and BMI. Good luck with asking for things that do not exist. If you are going to handwave reasonble explanations as to why you are asking for something that does not exist then you are going to need more luck and appologies along that way. Might want to take this one back.



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