reply to post by Schrödinger
But it is not always just a simple truth, you refuse to accept the fact, that truth is subjective! And that there could be things going on in the
secret societies that you aren't aware off.
There are things going on in non-secret societies like our elected government that we aren't aware of. As more and more of our nation's foreign policy
decisions are classified as "National Security" even Federal Judges are having a difficult time now getting the real facts from the government needed
to preside in trials where people are suing the government.
Secret Committees of Congress, the Federal Reserve and a number of things that go on at Langley and Quantico are all off limits.
Want to talk about the most dangerous secret society, tha would be called the Press, who amongst other things at various points conspired to hide
FDR's polio, JFK's affairs, and Hollywood's drug problems and rampant homosexuality.
I find it a bit odd when our most important public institutions are becoming more and more secretive and destructive, that anyone is focused on the
Masons as the end all be all of secrets.
You valse in and think you are the ultimate arbiters and keepers of "the real truth" and therefore insist that you have the last word in every debate
about the structure of the secret societies.
I don't think (as far as I know of) that any of the Masons are making this claim. They seem to (I don't know for sure, nor do I much care) have a
philosophy that is semi religious in nature that centers on math and geometry.
So does your computer that speaks in a bianary language of 1's and 0's. Math appears in other places though like the Hebrew texts and math is an
important part of the logistics that make the world go round.
The big problem with 'secrets' of all kinds is people have an inherent fear of the unknown that sometimes makes them toss out common sense. Alex Jones
is a perfect example as he takes fear mongering to sensationalized heights for the sake of ratings.
I started investigating conspiracies when I was 6 years old, I was literally raised on conspiracies by a conspiracy minded person.
The first 26 years of my life there was no internet, so investigating conspiracies was not investigating URL's as some people seem to imagine it is.
It was a lot of reading, and a lot of wearing out shoe leather, and a lot of very quality discussions with people you met wearing out shoe leather.
When you have been to the Bohemian Grove and you end up listening to someone like Alex Jone's take on it, and then the even wilder ramblings of people
trying to decipher pictures taken there, you realize "conspiracy theorist" all too often ends up being "person devoid of any logic and common sense"
as they read the most sinister things into often what are the most harmless and innocouous.
Example: Picture of puppy dog at Bohemian Grove
Conspiracy Theorist One: Oh my God they are getting ready to have sex with that 6 pound puppy!
Conspiracy Theorist Two: No they are going to slice it open and make a hat out of it!
Conspiracy Theorist Three: No they are going to kill it and eat it!
Conspiracy Theorist Four: No they are going to sacrificie it to Baal!
ATS Mason: Actually if you look at the picture real closely the third guy from the left has a can of puppy chow and the fourth guy from the right has
a can opener, and the second guy from the right has a dog food bowl, I am pretty sure they are going to just feed it.
Now personally I like the Mason's answer the best, because it's the logical answer based on the real evidence.
Being a great conspiracy theorist is like being a great detective, not being the greatest story teller with the wildest imagination.
Like great detectives conspiracy theorists theorize looking at motive and opportunity, but they also INVESTIGATE those theories real time eliminating
suspects and theories as they go along looking for the truth.
To many people who consider themselves conspiracy theorists are in fact just into info-tainment and wild speculation and it gives those of us who are
doing our due dilligence bad names.
Just look at this thread, 75% of the masons replying in this thread are replying to each other, on a topic that have nothing to do with the OP, this
thread is officially hi-jacked by off topic ramblings made by masons.
This is not true at all 50% of the Off Topic Posts in this thread are the Masons responding to me, and I am not a Mason. In fact I can point you to a
number of threads (and they likely can too) where I have so beat up on them for "select" things that sales of Proto Voodoo dolls spiked heavily on the
New York Stock Exchange.
But I also happen to not just like but respect a number of Masons on the site. One of the site's Masons authored a highly respected thread this summer
where he took his family to Pensacola Beach during the height of the Gulf Oil Spill and personally filmed the things the Media wasn't showing us, and
publicly did an about face on his previous stance that the spill was being 'contained'. Not only was he big enough to admitt he had been wrong, he
took the effort at his own time and expense to go out and do a real world, real time, investigation that proved his earlier statements regarding the
spill wrong and to publish the truth of his findings here on ATS.
That doesn't sound like a guy to me who is going out of his way to keep important secrets from the public, sounds like someone going out of his way to
share important secrets with the public.
Further the Masons of ATS can make great sources of information, if you are researching ancient societies and religions a lot of them not only know
history extremely well but the histories of pagan religions extemely well.
As long as you aren't asking them about their grips and signs they will for the most part happily share anything that they know with you, and if you
don't trust them, take what they tell you and head for a good library and double check it, and dollars to donuts the information they will give you
will pan out.
Think they hate all non-Masons? Guess again, from time to time when I do a big conspiracy thread (and I write some big conspiracy threads here on ATS)
as I scan down my profile list of people who selected me as a friend over a dozen of them are Masons.
So I invite them like everyone else on my list of people who selected me as a friend to check out my latest conspiracy thread and I usually get a U2U
like this example back from them:
Thanks for the invitation to check out your new thread, I was really honored to recieve it, thanks for thinking of me, it was a great topic and a
great read by the way.
...They don't show up and visit the thread, but they will often star and flag it, and either leave a public complimentary comment on the thread, or
will write privately and say "Do you really think this is that?".
As far as forum gangs go on ATS and there are a few very viral ones, the Masons are about as benign as a group of like minded people can be.
The truth is obvious, and whilst nothing conclusive have been proven, for all we know you aren't even masons!
When it comes to the anonymity of the Internet we can't even be sure who we are talking to is anything, guys can be girls, people can be
Being accusatory simply puts people on the defensive, so when you come on strong with a lot of accusations you are going to get a lot of defensive
postures from the people you are leveling the accusations at.
You can kill more flies with honey than vinegar and that's a fact.
It is a fact that the majority of members calling themselves masons on these boards, take part in an organized effort to derail any thread critical of
the secret society structure aswell as riduculing any person that comes forward with a theory on the secret societies.
This is simply not true, I write conspiracies about 'secret societies' all the time, and when Masonry comes up in one of them, there is really only
one Mason on these boards that will attack like a pit bull on every occassion, believe it or not I encounter the most flak from non-Masons who have
done so much 'specific' research on the Masons that anything that doesn't fit in with their theories on Masonry sets them in a tizzy and has them
making attack after attack because they want the Masons to be about what they believe they are about.
Now in all fairness I don't do Masonic Conspiracy Threads, I usually just give the Masons a bit part in some of my conspiracy threads, as I theorize
and speculate where they might have come into play in the conspiracy, the truth is I think some of them find it actually flattering, or so off the
mark that it's not worth arguing since the thread really only deals with the Masonic element in a small fractional way.
However as a rock drummer, if someone did a thread that says "Rock Drummers, never serious, throw TV's out of Hotel Windows, and sometimes take home
drag queens"...trust me I am going to be one of the first to show up and state clearly for the record, I ended up at his/her house they didn't end up
Make a thread about Zionists and most of them will show up.
Make a thread about Christians and most of them will show up.
Make a thread about Law Enforcment and most of them will show up.
Make a thread about Masons and yeah, most of them will show up.
Masonry in fact is in most areas in a sorry state. The Internet, the generation X and Y people are not joining, there membership is on the decline and
the median age is probably 60. The economy has hit them hard, dues aren't rolling in and between attrition of older members expiring of natural
causes, and members who can't pay their dues during these hard economic times lodges are shuttering their doors for good and closing up shop and
consolidating with one another.
Some juristidictions are having some luck attracting new members while others aren't having hardly any luck at all.
Though truth be told it remains to be seen even in those lodges who have attracted some younger members how many of them stick with it, in this age of
electronic social media and economic hard times, as they embark on a lifelong committment to gradient scale learning.
Most of their own efforts here on the boards when they are not responding to attack threads are thinly veiled recruitment drives.
In other words threads where they are hoping that rare individual here or there will after chatting with the Masons here end up going into a local
lodge and meeting and greeting the people there and investigate becoming a member.
Most of the ATS Members here who are Masons have been Masons all their adult life, it's given them something in the way of an identity and friends and
a purpose in life that they cherish.
As a Past President of the Newport Beach 20/30 club a charity organization of men in their 20's and 30's I can tell you that not only is recruitment
into charitble organizations hard, but between the gambling, strippers, prostitutes and ball games, the things that under my degenerate leadership we
would use to raise money for charity from normal people who like those things, we did some very nice things for the needy.
The Masons do too, and if the Masons are anything like the 20/30 club was, most of their time is split between planning their next fund drive, to pay
for their next big charitble outlay and to find some new members to help plan it all out and raise the funds.
Now having said all that, do Masons use their organization as a social network, to steer business to one another, and do one another favors when and
if at all possible. They would be really stupid if they didn't.
Whether it's a round table, a chamber of commerce, a political or church committee, charity organization, or fraternal orgnization that's what they
all do. They help each other out, so when it comes time to buy the local little league team it's new uniforms, send a cancer patient on a make a wish
once in a very short lifetime last trip, help a battered woman shelter, or a toys for tots drive, they are all there.
Want to know the most charitible group of people I have ever encountered, dyed in the wool, drug dealing, head breaking, girl swapping biker trash.
Those guys will pull so deep in their wallets when they are doing a 'charity run' it will bring tears to your eyes.
If you saw them hanging out on a corner you would walk to the other side of the street, but the truth is they would make sure that your child who
needed a cancer operation you couldn't afford could get it, no questions asked by pulling every last dollar out of their wallet if need be to do it.
Judge people case by case as individuals.
I am proud to call some of the Masons on these boards my friend. You know why, because they have been, and they are. Treat them with respect, and they
will definately do the same.
They will in fact answer your questions, if you put it to them politiely and respectfully. They might not be the answers that Alex Jones told you, and
you want to hear, but they are likely to be honset reflections of what the person you are asking things, and feels and knows about Masonry.
Remember in any heirachy only the people at the very top know everything, and if you are only guessing at what that is they know, and the people you
are asking aren't at the very top and don't know either...well...even Alex Jones and David Icke might be able to figure that all out.
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