reply to post by Schrödinger
Alright, fair enough, you have now provided some examples that are meaningful to you as to why you are concerned about Masonry.
The biggest thing I got from you was that you feel they are withholding certain things from the masses that have to do with the ‘secrets’ of life.
Now assuming this to be true are they withholding these secrets or…are they the only one’s that give a crap? (Pardon the language). Two thirds of
this world is initiated in a Roman power struggle, where you have Jews, Christians, and Muslims doing their level best to vie for the dominance of
their own religious philosophies over one another. They large bulk of these people consider anything not written in their holy scriptures to be
blasphemous and likely put forward by some evil fallen angel they read about in their books, or from one of his minions they refer to demons or in
some extreme cases here on ATS put forth by proto!
So now let’s ask when would have been a good time for them to share all these things (assuming they know them)…
(1) The Spanish Inquisition
(2) The Salem Witch Trials
(3) The annual pilgrimage to Mecca
(4) The 700 Channel
Now let’s ask another important question why people keep secrets, usually it for one of two or sometimes both reasons:
1. Divulging the secret(s) would result in an angry backlash from people predisposed to not believe those things.
Example: Jesus never existed but was patterned loosely and allegorically off the life of Julius Caesar's, even if it could be proven, how many
Christians do you think would consider the proof to be sufficient enough to abandon their love of Christ.
2. Divulging the secret(s) would eliminate any advantage one had by being the only one who knows the secret.
Example: Grandma just moved over the river and through the woods to a new house that you are the only one presently, who knows where it is located, it
is Thanksgiving and the first to arrive gets an extra slice of pumpkin pie.
Now contrary to popular belief they often do shoot the messenger who brings bad tidings and there is nothing more that people do not want to hear than
they have not only been lied to, but have been lied to their whole life, and lied to by people they trusted. It doesn’t matter if those people
spread the lie where lied to too, it only matters that they now have to accept something that they loved or were dependent upon believing to make up
their reality is a lie.
So assuming the Masons know a ‘higher’ or ‘more accurate’ truth that they are ‘purposefully’ withholding, what good would it do them to
In reality assuming it was the truth, people would just reject it as not being the ‘truth’ that they were taught to believe is the ‘truth’ and
there likely would be an angry backlash for the attempt.
Example: Alien Disclosure, now a lot of people on ATS are sure that visitors from other worlds have long been coming to this planet, using stealth
technology to get into line early on the day after Thanksgiving Sales and buying up all the best bargains and denying Earthlings these super once in a
life time deals and then taking off back to their planets with Jr.’s Rubbery Robby Doll!
Many people believe the Government(s) know these off world beings are here and visiting here but are withholding it, this upsets some people, and
makes them not trust the government even though they have no real evidence this is happening.
So why would the Government do this?
War of the Worlds: Long before Tom Cruise or even TV when Radio was the rage and the mass media of the day a talented yet somewhat demented fellow
named Orson Wells did a Radio show entitled War of the Worlds where he even went so far as to bang some pots and pans around in the studio and acted
out a mock Alien attack on his weekly Radio Show.
People listening to it thought it was real, and while Orson was reading his script in his New York City Studio unbeknownst to him in Every Town USA
people were terrified and taking to the streets, calling the police and army, arming themselves into neighborhood militias and in a full blown state
of national panic as they desperately tried to prepare to meet the encroaching alien horde.
There are really two entities who never forgot the lesson of that night: 1. The U.S. Government and 2. Orson Wells.
Now assuming you are correct, what would Masonic Disclosure and Alien Disclosure have in common?
They potentially could both put the truth to things like Yahweh which as far as proto is concerned is actually Yahwehshe patron Canaanite God of
Pirates, Mercenaries and Thieves, since those clever Jews have never named their God, that yes Jesus Christ was patterned off the attributes of Julius
Caesar that Rome wanted instilled in the Masses, and Mohamed was yet another clever fellow hoping if he patterned a similar monotheistic system based
off of Rome’s that Rome would let them have some autonomy of their own, if they weren’t a threat to the over all system.
So now to make YOU happy we have pissed off 2/3rds of the world’s population most of them heavily armed!
Now why are they going to be upset, well because you have either done one or two things to them they are bound to find equally offensive (1.) that
they are the biggest fools in the universe who have patterned and lived their entire lives for millennia off of base fictions or (2.) That you (those
who disclose) are evil liars, vying for power of control and are agents of some evil deity or off world race.
So what are such people withholding is the equivalent of “Look I hate to break it to you but I have been sleeping with your wife”.
Most husbands don’t take this too well, and well frankly their wives don’t either!
Now let’s get back to your quest, your quest for knowledge in books, and in the hidden meanings in books, in symbols, etc.
Like John Lennon you are pretty sure there must be more to life than “Living in pain and fear”.
So let’s talk about two of Proto’s favorite things the Chicken and the Egg, and the Cart and the Horse.
Who is actually denying the truth, those few who know it? That small group of illuminists, shadow government operatives, secret society leaders,
priests, and national leaders?...
Or the masses that prefer a fiction comforting enough that they can believe in most of it, but faulty enough that they can argue with and fight with
others over what the absolute truth is?
Which came first the small group that knows the truth, or the big group that can’t really handle the truth?
Now rolling right along here let’s assume that the Masons know the truth, and they decided to disclose it.
Let’s flip back to the ‘Morgan Affair’ where a ‘Mason’ who disclosed some of the secrets of Masonry was supposedly and allegedly murdered by
Now history is vague as to what really happened here, some believe that Morgan faked his own death to increase sales of his book and lived happily
ever after in the Caribbean sans the ball and chain known as his wife, off his royalties quietly forwarded by his agents.
Others believe Joseph Smith founder of the Mormon Church murdered the hapless Captain because he coveted his wife and later married her once widowed.
Some believe that a group of ‘renegade Masons’ took an allegorical punishment to a physical extreme.
Most believe as both national history and Masonic History teaches that this tawdry and sorted affair led to a massive backlash against the Masons here
in the United States which not only led to Masons leaving their lodges in droves, many of them being abandoned others burned to the ground and
eventually led to such an outpouring of public distrust against secret societies it led to even college fraternities and sororities coming under
This they tell us is what led to the founding of the Skull and Bones 322 at Yale by its founders in protest of these actions.
However real history doesn’t actually support anything but the founding of the Skull and Bones, as financial manipulation by the foreign owned
Second United States Bank which was about to lose it’s 20 year charter led to hyperinflation wrecking the young American Economy some of the
financial details of the Treaty of Paris and Treaty of Ghent obligating the people to pre-revolutionary war debts payable to Europe that had
previously been kept secret started coming to light as most of the Founders that were guarding them happened to have died off.
Of course most of those Founders were Masons and for a time it was considered that the Revolution itself was a Masonic Conspiracy to take over
management of the Colonies for the European Owners, who still were reaping all the financial rewards of ownership, while the Government (The Founders)
were cutting themselves in for a hefty fee as Managers and Agents of the European principles.
Now here is the moral of this little known story that the Government and Masons alike will deny even though documents on file with the registrars of
many of the States will support it, and that is a contract, is a contract, is a contract.
Knowing the terms of the contract doesn’t actually change the contract, especially when you aren’t and weren’t a party to the contract.
But here is the other Moral to the story, once again assuming today’s Masons know what yesterdays Masons know too.
Whether it’s details about Christianity, the Founding of the Nation, or any of the mystical, metaphysical, quantum physics and mechanics, people
like to imagine that groups like the Masons know, disclosing them to people who a. don’t want to hear them in the first place b. wouldn’t believe
them if they heard them in the second place c. would get angry at who is disclosing them in the third place, and d. would roll right back over, spread
and say skip the Vaseline and the kiss and the fourth place makes absolutely no difference, because a., b., c., and d., are all bound to happen.
Now in conclusion here is what you aren’t getting, are the Masons hiding anything or are they the only people who care about some things?
Now if you want to join the Bohemian Club you better have a blueblood pedigree, a few other bluebloods to vouch for you, at least enough money to pay
your 150,000.00 annual dues and incidentals, and some kind of worth to the rest of the group that justifies you taking up a scarce chair at the table.
However if you want to join the Masons they tell me you need only be a fine upstanding citizen of moral character and fiber, have no criminal record,
and have a desire to help your fellow human beings, be honest and enjoy ‘brotherly love’, this kind of sounds like code for ‘Gay’ but they
insist this is not the case, so you don’t have to worry to much about the brotherly love thing, but I would still be careful about dropping soap in
the communal shower!
So if they have set the membership bar that low, and you really think they know things you would like to know, well then do what a lot of them suggest
in these threads and give it a try.
This is not an endorsement or recommendation by proto by the way, but it is a common sense remedy.
Now here is the truth though, when it comes to all these things, that you ‘think and imagine’ they know, they pretty much ‘think and imagine’
they know them too.
From what I gather, they are like every other religious minded person on the planet waiting for ‘death’ to ‘cross over’ to find out for sure.
Incidentally or coincidentally Jews and non-Jews practicing the Kabala are tinkering with metaphysical quantum physics and mechanics too, so this is
another way for curious people to go.
Further Wiccans and other Pagans are dabbling in the occult also trying to tap into ethereal properties, higher truths, and quantum physics and
However having said that, all these paths remain flawed as all you are doing is looking externally for information and mechanics that were internally
stored in you at the moment of your birth.
So the further you journey with out, the further it’s actually going to take you from the journey within, which is ultimately where you will have to
journey to learn the Universes highest truths.
So what are the Masons really withholding from you? In all likelihood just another flawed path overly reliant on ritual and the external to restore
some of the belief in yourself through external sources instead of internal sources and a codependency that leads to just another form of shared
reality you eventually become as hostage to as everyone else dependent on a shared reality with others.
Now who’s fault is it really you are cut off from ‘you’ well your own, and no offense to you, but until people learn to master their emotions,
their petty jealousies and desires, their impetuousness, their vanity, their gluttony, well it’s likely a good thing from the moment of birth onward
you are led away from ‘you’ and what you inherently know to be taught these false dogmas.
Which you are free at any time to reject, to start mastering yourself, and to head back to you, and look for the answers the one place that no one can
sell you a book, cast you in a robe, stand you in a line or row, make you bow or do incantations, anoint yourself with oil, pluck the legs off of
frogs, adorn yourself with ornaments or any other silly thing they all seem to love to do, to look externally for answers that can only be found
No offense to anyone but from where I sit, even the Masons can’t help you find you, only you can help you find you.
The knowledge you seek is ‘out there’, the knowledge you crave though is ‘in here’.
No one is in fact holding you back but you, so no need to blame it on the Baby Jesus, the Masons, your Government, or anyone else but you.
Now Proto sure would appreciate it if you all learned to play nicely with one another.
edit on 22/12/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler because: (no reason given)