12/17/10 Jesse Ventrura Pentagon Episode

reply to post by DIDtm


Yes, lets discuss the lady that tried to pass herself off as an officer, and then sued American Airlines because one of their airplanes hit her workplace....but doesnt actually believe an airplane hit. Let's talk about her.

Originally posted by vipertech0596
reply to post by RMFX1

 

Maybe because during the FBI investigation they went through all the videos and the only ones that actually showed ANYTHING related to Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon, were released through FOIA requests????

Or maybe because some of the other 84 cameras show a plane flying AWAY from the Pentagon?
And some of them show an air born object racing towards the Pentagon at a high rate of speed.

Not saying I know....but using the same logic as you, creating doubt.

You know, it is quite amazing a 757 could hit the Pentagon and not one surveillance camera, or any other video camera, showed an identifiable 757 striking it, or even in the area!

reply to post by DIDtm


Refresh my memory, what was the claim that you find so incredible?:

The plane CANT go that fast without falling apart mid-air.

Originally posted by vipertech0596
reply to post by DIDtm

 

Yes, lets discuss the lady that tried to pass herself off as an officer, and then sued American Airlines because one of their airplanes hit her workplace....but doesnt actually believe an airplane hit. Let's talk about her.

Okay, lets talk about her.
She sure as hell can't sue the government for firing a missile at her workplace (or a bomb...or being incompetent), since that's not their story. If she's going to sue someone, who would it be? Perhaps the inept airline who didnt have proper safety protocols in effect to prevent a hijacking?
Thats the story she is being spoon fed.
May not be the most ethical thing to do, but ethics are thrown out the window when dealing with untouchable criminals.

Originally posted by ATH911
You know, it is quite amazing a 757 could hit the Pentagon and not one surveillance camera, or any other video camera, showed an identifiable 757 striking it, or even in the area!

Why is that incredible?

reply to post by vipertech0596


And you don't think that the 911 commision should have had, or did have access to those tapes?

Why didn't he ask?

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by DIDtm

 

Refresh my memory, what was the claim that you find so incredible?:

The plane CANT go that fast without falling apart mid-air.

Glad your here WW.
What would happen if a 757 was going 150 knots over the maximum operating limit?

Would it be stable to enough to steer properly to hit a destination?
Would it be stable enough to fly just a few feet above the ground for a hundred yards, without ever touching the ground before hitting the destination?

And also taking into the consideration of the length of a 757. Is it logical to assume that if the plane was in fact only a few feet above the ground for even a 100 yards, when the plane struck the structure the tail end wouldnt have shifted down to then touch the ground?

Originally posted by hooper

Originally posted by ATH911
You know, it is quite amazing a 757 could hit the Pentagon and not one surveillance camera, or any other video camera, showed an identifiable 757 striking it, or even in the area!

Why is that incredible?

Seems quite illogical to me.
Not to mention the video cameras inside the building.
Oh..that's right...the Pentagon probably doesn't have any video surveillance inside the building.

Originally posted by xweaponx.



I think there is more to what the government is saying. Plus where and what happened to 2.3 trillion dollars? That is a LOT of money to go missing and no trail to where it went since the trail has been blown up....

edit on 17-12-2010 by xweaponx because: (no reason given)

Nice thread, thanks.

Re the 2.3 trillion ... I could have a very good guess where it went! And I think $500 million of it, or something like that, has just been used to bribe Nigeria to drop a fraud case!

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Good, now, it is up to YOU to show what camera that you think would have shown that. Or shall we just put you in the "I believe that businesses install security cameras so they can point them at someone else's property" group. Not to mention, who is going to go to the expense of installing security cameras..and then pointing them at the sky over a building across the highway?

reply to post by RMFX1


They did have access. They also were not supposed to duplicate the investigative activities of other agencies. The FBI was running the actual investigation into the attack on the Pentagon. The FBI went through the tapes made their reports, and those were submitted to the Commission.

reply to post by DIDtm

What would happen if a 757 was going 150 knots over the maximum operating limit?

Same thing that happens when our flyboys overspeed one of our F16's. When you get it back on the ground, you impound it and inspect it for any evidence that the overspeed/over G caused any damage. Airplanes do not automatically fall apart when you exceed their operating envelope.

Heres a few tidbits
It is documented fact, one Dov Zackhiem, holder of a US and an Isreali passport, was comptroller of the pentagon during the missapropraition, or loss of the 2.5 trillion $.You can misplace a lot of money selling isreal whole squadrons of advanced fighter aircraft, at scrap prices, even though they are fully operational planes....f 15s
He was also CEO of a company specialising in making the electronics and gear to remote fly aircraft, as well as take control of another aircraft while in flight.....i believe hes returned to the holy land now...pity....
The records for Enron scandle were in building seven....
What happened to the gold reserves stored in the basement of the towers?
How much of the total was recovered?
Where are the engines from the aircraft which hit the pentagon?
each weigh several tons...they recovered one of the tower engines some distance from the towers,yet they cannot find the two from the pentagon....???
What about the five dancing isrealis?filming 9/11 and high fiving on top of their van....?They turned out to be mossad agents...ther van was checked by sniffer dogs who reacted as if explosives were in it.
They were quietly released a couple months later.....
Then there is Uban Moving Systems...the phoney mossad front whose owner fled to isreal shortly after 9/11 it was one of these trucks the five were driving...
Then there is the plethora of isreali art students which flooded america setting up to sell their art conveniently across from viable terror targets all over the states...
Where is the flight manifest with the arabic names on it for each flight?
Why did the large shipping company owned by isrealis, move out of the tower shortly before 9/11(1 wks) breaking a lease set for 6 moths longer, and costing themselves 50 000 in the process?
There were NO isrealis killed in the towers....
There was one on one of the flights however, he was a vetran of the isreali special forces.
The zionists have been fanatic enough in the past to take on suicide operations, so why not 9/11?
It would be a matter of difficulty for the US gov to pull off the whole scene,but 19 arabs directed by a guy in a cave in afghanistan pulled it off, even though some of the feats were physically impossible....
One airplane was tracked on radar at 170 mph faster than its disintigration speed!
Poving it wasnt a 757 at all!
could have been a different craft, but definately not a 757!
If the fire in the pentagon was hot enough to melt the two multiton engines, and much of the debris,why are there unmelted unburned articles laying around in close proximity to the hole after the fire is out?
The spools of wiring laying outside the pentagon are hardly disturbed by the crash of 100,000 ton plane within feet of them...???
The walls of the pentagon look blown out at their bases, not smashed inwards as one would expect from the crash.
Why no marks on the walls outwards from the hole?the wings would have impacted and left a mark if a real 757 had struck it.
Where is the footage from the CITGO gas station directly opposite the pentagon?
Why is there still a raging controversy over the flight path of the pentagon plane?
Where is all the wreckage in the shanksville hole?
It apears impossible to fit thaat huge aircraft into that hole in the shanksville soil.
Also why were there two crash sites in pensylvania if the jet crashed in one piece?
What was the mysterious white aircraft which circled over the shanksville crash and sped away shrtly after impact?
Why was thermate residue found in the towers dust by seperate independant researchers?
Why will the stock market not release the identity of the persons placing the put options on the airlines?
This would be a simple place to start the investigation....but i bet youll find a lot of isrealis behind these stock options as well as other more positive bets on companies like raytheon, boeing,martin marrietta, etc etc?
All statistically over the normal trading volumes.
Why does the US goverment have so many dual citizen isreali/americans in the powered elite of this country?
We know that the loyalty of these people could be in question, yet we never do anything about it.
I could go on but thats enough questions to give me a massive headache...and an urge to revolt.

Originally posted by DIDtm
Seems quite illogical to me.
Not to mention the video cameras inside the building.
Oh..that's right...the Pentagon probably doesn't have any video surveillance inside the building.

Originally posted by vipertech0596
reply to post by DIDtm

 

Good, now, it is up to YOU to show what camera that you think would have shown that. Or shall we just put you in the "I believe that businesses install security cameras so they can point them at someone else's property" group. Not to mention, who is going to go to the expense of installing security cameras..and then pointing them at the sky over a building across the highway?

Oh. You're funny.
Were not talking about a Holiday Inn or a Walmart.
The Pentagon has 85 cameras. Pointed to record every square inch of their property. To think otherwise is naive at best.
Surely a few cameras show the airplane approaching the building.
The only question remains, how many of the cameras show the airplane flying over the building or to the side of it. And how many cameras show another object flying at a high speed towards it?
Maybe that's why they're not being released.
Its the only logical explanation to me and most sane, logical people.

Originally posted by vipertech0596
reply to post by DIDtm

 

What would happen if a 757 was going 150 knots over the maximum operating limit?

Same thing that happens when our flyboys overspeed one of our F16's. When you get it back on the ground, you impound it and inspect it for any evidence that the overspeed/over G caused any damage. Airplanes do not automatically fall apart when you exceed their operating envelope.

I see you failed to address my other 3-4 questions.

Originally posted by DIDtm
The Pentagon has 85 cameras. Pointed to record every square inch of their property. To think otherwise is naive at best.

Where did that figure come from? If you're referring to the 84 tapes, they were collected from a variety of sources around the Pentagon.

John Farmer ran a website with a lot of good info on AA77, which he took over from Scott Bingham, but sadly he was forced to remove it after it was repeatedly targetted by hackers.

Amongst one of the things he obtained, was a FOIA release of what was on said 84 tapes:

13 videos were obtained by the Defense Protective Services (DPS) - Pentagon Police - on 9/25/2001 from individual filming Pentagon site from Boundary Channel Drive. These included footage from the WTC site in the days after the attcks.

One (1) Beta video tape - interviews in NYC
One (1) DVCAM tape labeled "Twin Towers, World Trade Center" - NYC/WTC
One (1) DVCAM tape - suburban setting, unknown individuals, dated 9/12-13
One (1) DVCAM tape - NYC/WTC, 9/21-22
One (1) DVCAM tape - NYC/WTC, 9/22-23
One (1) DVCAM tape - NYC 9/23
One (1) DVCAM tape - interviews in NYC; 10 seconds of Pentagon footage, but not crash site
One (1) DVCAM tape - no recorded video or audio information
One (1) DVCAM tape - no recorded video or audio information
One (1) DVCAM tape - no recorded video or audio information
One (1) DVCAM tape - no recorded video or audio information
One (1) DVCAM tape - no recorded video or audio information
One (1) DVCAM tape - no recorded video or audio information

8 videos were received on 10/11/2001 at Quantico. These videos were collected during consent search of residence in Avanel, New Jersey. Pending case on subject.

One (1) damaged Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape

Videos received on 10/15/2001 at Quantico. These videos were collected from surveillance cameras at multiple Kinko's in South Florida.

One (1) TDK 1-160 VHS video tape
One (1) VHS video tape
One (1) SONY T-160 VHS video tape
One (1) SONY T-160 VHS video tape
One (1) SONY T-160 VHS video tape
One (1) SONY T-160 VHS video tape
One (1) SONY T-160 VHS video tape
One (1) SONY T-160 VHS video tape
Video received on 10/22/2001 at Quantico. This video was recovered from garbage at residenced in Neenah, Wisconsin by the Neenah Police Department. Investigation on suspect has been closed.

One (1) damaged VHS video tape and housing
Received at Washington Field Office Command Post

These two video tapes included footage of post-crash Pentagon crime scene taken by DOD media pool photographers, and were obtained from Navy Rear Admiral Craig Quigley.

One (1) Betacam BCT-30G video cassette, labeled "1 of 2" & "early 6pm 9/11/01"
One (1) Betacam BCT-30G video cassette, labeled "2 of 2" & "early pm 9/11/01"
Also received at the Washington Field Office Command Post:

One (1) VHS video cassette - witness interviews near Pentagon after the attack
One (1) VHS video cassette, labeled "9/11/2001" - footage of post Pentagon crime scene, obtained from Chief Mastin, Prince William County
One (1) TDK Hi8 MP 120 video casette, wrapped in Pentagon map and labeled on back "1/29/1952 Mohan Shresesa 8/2/2018 Todoroki Japan 9/17/01 3:00 hr Fern/So. Rotary" - Home video taken from car, dated 9/17/2001,showing post-crash Pentagon crime scene very briefly from road (~10 seconds)
One (1) FujiFilm DP121 video cassette, labeled "WJLA-TV" - miscellaneous footage from news reporter, dated 9/18/2001
One (1) Sony MP120 8mm video cassette - Home video, DC sightseeing
One (1) TDK HG Ultimate TC-30 video cassette - Home video, unknown date, showing brief footage of Pentagon (not crash site)
One (1) Maxell DVM60SE mini digital video cassette - Home video, dated 9/17/2001, showing brief footage of Pentagon (not crash site)
One (1) Sony Hi8 video cassette - Home video obtained by DPS on 9/11/2001 showing ~6 seconds of Pentagon footage (not crash site)
One (1) TDK Hi8 MP 120 video cassette - Home video obtained by DPS on 9/21/2001, showing post-crash Pentagon crime scene
One (1) JVC MP120 8mm video cassette - Home video obtained by DPS on 9/21/2001, showing brief footage of Pentagon (not crash site)
Videos filmed on 9/26/2001 by FBI Forensic Audio-Visual Analysis Unit (FAVIAU) of post-crash Pentagon crime scene.

One (1) original SONY 40 min. Digital Betacam video tape
One (1) original SONY 40 min. Digital Betacam video tape
Videos submitted to FBI Laboratory in Quantico, Virginia, under cover of communication dated 2/19/2002, all depicting WTC footage.

One (1) Betacam video tape
One (1) HDCAM video tape
One (1) Betacam SP video tape
One (1) Betacam SP video tape
One (1) Mini DV video tape maked in part Antonio M.
One (1) DVC PRO video tape
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1056 COPY 5A of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1056 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1471 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1788 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1729 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1808 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1813 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B530 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B729 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1563 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1051 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1787 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B2406 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1276 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "CNN RE: BURN VICTIM..."
One VHS video tape marked in part "NIGHTLINE 2/15/2002"
Videos submitted to FBI Laboratory, Quantico, under communication dated 5/13/2002.

One (1) Sony SDX1-25C video tape
One (1) Sony SDX1-25C video tape
One (1) TDK 8mm video tape
Video obtained by FBI on 9/28/2001 and submitted to FBI Laboratory, Quantico on 5/28/2002. Home video filmed on 9/11/2001 showing footage of WTC after attacks, obtained by Suffolk County, New York Police Department.

One Hi 8mm video cassette tape from Eileen McMahon
Video obtained by FBI on 9/13/2001 and submitted to FBI Laboratory, Quantico on 5/28/2002. Home video filmed on 9/11/2001 showing footage of second plane hitting WTC and aftermath.

One Mini DV 60 video cassette tape
Video submitted to FBI Laboratory, Quantico under cover of communication dated 9/22/2001. Obtained by FBI NK from Dime Savings Bank, Nutley, New Jersey

One TDK T-160 VHS video tape
Home video filmed on 9/11/2001 by NBC4 Washington reporter, with footage of post-crash Pentagon crime scene shortly after attack. Provided to FBI on 9/12/2001.

One (1) home Video of the terrorist attack on the Pentagon.
Video from DEA HQ security camera atop 700 Army Navy Drive, Arlington, VA. Camera repositioned after attack to show post-crash footage of Pentagon. Provided to FBI on 9/12/2001.

One (1) videotape
Home video filmed on 9/11/2001 by tourist traveling past Pentagon and then by AP photographer who borrowed the camera. Footage of post-crash Pentagon crime scene shortly after attack. Provided to FBI on 9/12/2001.

One (1) videotape
Copy of home video filmed on 9/11/2001 by AP photographer using camera borrowed from nearby motorist. Footage of post-crash Pentagon crime scene shortly after attack. Provided to FBI on 9/12/2001.

One (1) duplicate video cassette tape dated 9/11/01
Video from cameras at Reagan National Airport parking garage. Both video files show smoke in the distance coming from direction of Pentagon. Obtained by FBI on 9/13/2001.

One (1) CD containing 2 video files
Video from security camera at Citgo Gas Station, 801 S. Joyce Street, Arlington, Virginia. Submitted to FAVIAU to determine if video showed impact of plane into Pentagon. Determined not to show impact. Obtained by FBI on 9/11/2001.

One (1) JVC EHG Hi-Fi videocassette, labeled Day 11 Quarters K
Video from security camera at Doubletree Hotel, 300 Army Navy Drive, Arlington, Virginia. Security video showing rotating footage from different camera locations at hotel; no camera captures impact of plane into Pentagon.

One (1) TDK video tape marked "11C"
Images captured by two separate cameras at the entrance to the Pentagon Mall Terrace parkinng lot. Images capture the impact of the plane into the Pentagon from two different cameras. Obtained from the Pentagon Force Protection Agency via USA/EDVA.

One (1) CD-ROM

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