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Sexist Female Oppression? Cleavage In The Workplace

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posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 07:09 PM
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WARNING!!! MASSIVE TEXT WALL!!! DANGER!!! DANGER!!! MAY CAUSE SEVERE HEADACHES!!!

OK, this was my subtle way of saying that you need to cut that massive single paragraph up into much smaller pieces, because there are members like myself who WILL NOT read posts such as this just because it is very hard on the eyes...

As to the OP, tater dear, it is inappropriate to display the goods in a professional environment. It is no more acceptable for a woman so highlight her breasts than it is for a well endowed male to wear lycra bike shorts in to the office to show off his package. You may both be proud of you large endowments, but there is a time and a place for such things, and work isn't one of them. I would blatantly pass up anyone, male or female, who tried to use sexuality to get ahead, or just flaunted it for the sake of flaunting it in the work place. That is unless the business is in the sex trade... But somehow I don't think you work on a stripper pole or for a porn producer...




posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 07:13 PM
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whether it be facial hair, visible tattoos, piercings or cleavage

if your company has a dress code policy that says you cannot work with these things visable, then that is that

comply or find another place of employment



posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by kalisdad

Originally posted by Phenomium

A beard is hardly a comparison to a woman's breast. The better question what would happen is we showed half of our "SEXUAL" attribute at a workplace? Yeah, we would get into big trouble. I personally, dont want to,....but then this begs the question, why would a woman want to show her sexual attributes in public?


actually I consider it a damn good comparison

how many posters have stated that the breasts are not a sex part of the body? neither is a beard

both are part of the human body that are considered in a professional dress code

me not being able to have a full trimmed and well maintained beard is no different than a woman being asked to cover her cleavage in the workplace

its part of a company's dress code and as an employee you are expected to comply with this or find another place of employment


edit on 17-12-2010 by kalisdad because: formating


As I previously posted in my statement above, who cares what women think about whether their breast is a sexual part of their body or "mother nature's milk jugs for babies"? It's the man that determines if they are a sexual body part or not ....unless the woman is trying to impress other women. I would support my theory with an internet full of porn that says different......that indeed a woman's breast IS a sexual object TO MEN. Porn is the number one money maker on the whole internet by far and women's breast are a major part of that pecuniary influx. Women may say one thing....but reality to a man is much clearer to the rest of the world. i could say the same about my (well, you know...I don't care to get banned on here with details), my point is, I could say that because my seed, created the baby...that it is not a sexual object and is a beautiful part of natures grand plan for life and existence. We men and women know that is a load of crap though. Just because something is rationalized by a person so that they can benefit and reap the rewards fro it.......doesn't make it (in and of itself) just a one-sided sword the sexual body parts of men and women serve two purposes....fun AND procreation. Men have always been turned on by breast and some men desire nothing but the breast, so don't tell me that they are not a sexually arousing part of the male and female unity. Even a child of 9 years and above can tell you that simply by the way men act around women with low cut tops. I can't even believe you just tried to convince me of that. have you ever had relations with a woman at all? Did she complain because maybe you forgot to show attention to some part of her?



posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 07:54 PM
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I'm pretty sure at this point, we know where the majority stands on this issue:

Cleavage is not professional.



posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 07:56 PM
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Hmm, interesting... On a somewhat different subject If a guy has a huge 'bulge' does he have the right to showcase it or should he cover up, or is that just for women?

A workplace is supposed to be just that- a workplace, not a showroom or a brothel.

Nobody should feel any outwardly different from anybody.

Nothing wrong with having a huge unit or nice assets, but the line should be drawn at showing too much skin out of respect.



posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 08:02 PM
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Originally posted by SolarE-Souljah
I'm pretty sure at this point, we know where the majority stands on this issue:

Cleavage is not professional.


I agree.....it's only professional at a strip joint where they are proud of theirs as well.



posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 08:04 PM
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How about men with large packages start coming to work in swimming trunks to show off their assets? Would you honestly not have a problem with this? The workplace is far more productive when there are less distractions for either sex. Women are aware that their cleavage attracts the stare of most straight men. To deny this would be naive in the extreme.

Why do you think women who wear low-cut tops are overlooked for somebody dressed more moderately?



posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 09:33 PM
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You are completely correct, I do not work a pole or work as a porn actress. Of course both of those professions require the showing of much more than cleavage.



posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 09:35 PM
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reply to post by Phenomium
 


I am a woman, and owner of two breats. Only *I* decide whether they are sexual playthings at the moment or merely two massive blobs sitting on my chest. No man can decide that. How does a man decide if breats are sexual or not?



posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 09:39 PM
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If shorts are allowed under the dress code why not?

I don't have a problem with the way anyone dresses, anytime. There are other things to worry about.

If cleavage is enough to make a boss pass someone over, people in general need to reassess the way they look at women period. Cleavage is not sexual, breasts are not sexual, it is all in the mind of the person sexualizing them.



posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 09:40 PM
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How do YOU decide if testicles are sexual then? The owner doesn't decide that, society and human sexual emotion do. Breasts ARE sexual whether you want them to be or not



posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 09:50 PM
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Originally posted by Phenomium
As I previously posted in my statement above, who cares what women think about whether their breast is a sexual part of their body or "mother nature's milk jugs for babies"? It's the man that determines if they are a sexual body part or not ....unless the woman is trying to impress other women. I would support my theory with an internet full of porn that says different......that indeed a woman's breast IS a sexual object TO MEN. Porn is the number one money maker on the whole internet by far and women's breast are a major part of that pecuniary influx. Women may say one thing....but reality to a man is much clearer to the rest of the world. i could say the same about my (well, you know...I don't care to get banned on here with details), my point is, I could say that because my seed, created the baby...that it is not a sexual object and is a beautiful part of natures grand plan for life and existence. We men and women know that is a load of crap though. Just because something is rationalized by a person so that they can benefit and reap the rewards fro it.......doesn't make it (in and of itself) just a one-sided sword the sexual body parts of men and women serve two purposes....fun AND procreation. Men have always been turned on by breast and some men desire nothing but the breast, so don't tell me that they are not a sexually arousing part of the male and female unity. Even a child of 9 years and above can tell you that simply by the way men act around women with low cut tops. I can't even believe you just tried to convince me of that. have you ever had relations with a woman at all? Did she complain because maybe you forgot to show attention to some part of her?


you fail to realize that this thread is not about what is acceptable on the internet...

its about the workplace... and being asked to cover cleavage for a woman as dress code is no different than being asked to keep a clean shaven face for a man

its company policy and they are the ones that have final say on whether we have a job or not



posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 09:53 PM
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Originally posted by hotbakedtater
reply to post by Phenomium
 


I am a woman, and owner of two breats. Only *I* decide whether they are sexual playthings at the moment or merely two massive blobs sitting on my chest. No man can decide that. How does a man decide if breats are sexual or not?


well, are they or are they not?

you can't have it one way during your own time with your sex partner, and have it another way at work...

that is quite hypocritical to say the least



posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 09:55 PM
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....just like a hairy fat man has the decency not to dangle his ass in front of your face


whoop there chester..hold on now..now that is some real workplace oppression that Is just not fair! It's a conspiracy against big hairy plumber bums...I tell ya!

In my plumbing apprenticeship days...OMG..You ladies just dont know how hard it is to find pants that will stay up while under some soggy kitchen sink. You know what Im talking 'bout!

I know it's my bumm and I should be able to display my best side if I want to..even if only a peak of those manly dimples.

The trouble is, While under the sink with a big pipe wrench, Suspenders just cut and burn my skin.
And what if one of my suspenders lets go? I could put out an eye! And a belt just digs into my beer belly..owweeee.

But the drain just wont budge. And the more I pull and twist the wrench, the more cool kitchen floor breeze I feel back there.

Still to myself i say:
No Ma'am, Ima-gonna bust this here pipe loose before I climb out from under this sink.Can't let go now and pull up my pants. I'd have to put down the wrench and do the wiggle-yank to pull up my britches..Oh the shame! Gaterdone..I chant to myself.

I know the customer is sitting there at the kitchen table with her elderly mother. OH Lord help me now!

uh oh,,, their staring at me..I can tell they are! I Can just tell! OMG



posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 10:05 PM
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You are insanely funny, and yet I understand your point.
I know I've said I wouldn't come into this thread again, but I had to peek, you know? Out of interest.

I've decided that I really don't care on the topic anymore.

I'm not a woman, so I'm going to stop caring. Good luck on your venture.

A few things I agreed with on this topic:

- A workplace is a place for work.
- Women come in different sizes and shapes
- Respect for your co-workers is a must
- If respect to your co-workers includes not showing your "tata"'s, then be respectful
- The corperation always wins (this was implied, not specifically stated)
- You can always leave your 25k+ salary job if you feel showing your "tata"'s is a must. Though you are not guaranteed another 25k+ salary.
- People are totally anal when it comes to clothing at work (I never realized... I've always dreamed of a workplace where you could wear whatever you wanted and still be considered a professional for your skill).

That's all,

Good Night ATS, it was a great debate as usual, with dissapointing moments, moments of fustration, comedic laughter and a pinch of sadness haha.



posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 10:09 PM
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I am very busty. I have no trouble dressing attractively AND covering up.

That is not an excuse.

It means you have to shop for clothes differently.

If you want to show cleavage, go to a club or apply at hooters.

And the bit about if I show cleavage you dont' have to look at it, shows immaturity.



posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 11:57 PM
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Originally posted by hotbakedtater
reply to post by Dark Ghost
 



Cleavage is not sexual, breasts are not sexual, it is all in the mind of the person sexualizing them.



if they are not sexual. then why do you like to show them off? And why do you consider them assets?

if they are not sexual assets, then I would imagine they become a large burden (pun intended) and at that point good for what exactly?

I think you or anyone else is lying if you dont consider them sexual. at what time can you think of having sex without them being used in foreplay?

uuummmm...never

they are both arousing to a woman and a man and therfore very sexual. as i said in another post, there is a reason this thread isnt about elbows and ankles.



posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 12:06 AM
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Originally posted by hotbakedtater
reply to post by Phenomium
 


I am a woman, and owner of two breats. Only *I* decide whether they are sexual playthings at the moment or merely two massive blobs sitting on my chest. No man can decide that. How does a man decide if breats are sexual or not?


Look I may be a Domme but I have to disagree with you here. I'm personally used to having everything my way, not the mans way, bla bla bla...but for me theres no way around this.. you don't decide whether a person VIEWS your breasts as sexual. A man can look at your boobs and view them as sexual objects...what are you, the thought police? sure you can say, dont think of them that way! but you can say that all you like, it just isnt going to happen lol..western men like boobs. period. and you may want to be liberated and be able to flaunt them if you want in the workplace, but th workplace is for work, not sex. you might think you want to just show them off and that it's fine and dandy, but there are consequences to your actions.

you flaunt the boobs, men are going to objectify you. that will often lead to all kinds of other things, could be disgust, distrust, not taking you seriously, passing you over for a promotion...whatever. but you feeling like you're liberating yourself by showing your tatas in the workplace is only central to you..it affects others around you as well, and in a workplace situation especially, that has to be taken into account.



posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 12:14 AM
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If they are simply non-sexual "blobs" then why on earth would you want to show them off?

ETA: OpenEyeballs beat me to it

edit on 18-12-2010 by InvisibleAlbatross because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 12:15 AM
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Originally posted by harrytuttle



Even in a fairly professional environment, this is OK to me as long as it is a slight bit looser and not *white* (white emphasizes where we are the heaviest), i.e., black alone, or other colors with a nice jacket or coat...It is not showing cleavage; it's just showing a natural body in a shirt. Especially if it is complemented with a nice skirt or pants.

I've seen a hecka-lot worse.

Women (as well as men) should meet, and exceed company standards if they want to be promoted.

The idea should be to dress as well, natural body included, if not better than your peers or superiors if you want to succeed in the workplace.


edit on 18-12-2010 by sonjah1 because: (no reason given)




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