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Sexist Female Oppression? Cleavage In The Workplace

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posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 12:07 PM
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How is wearing a V neck shirt showing anything off??


If it were pasties and a swim suit top I could see the argument.

But cleavage occurs when wearing v neck clothing.

ETA

Who cares if men look? What do they see, a tiny portion of a boob crack. OOOOH, get the tissues!!

There is a difference in looking and Leering like a pervert.

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posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 12:19 PM
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Originally posted by hotbakedtater
reply to post by InvisibleAlbatross
 


How is wearing a V neck shirt showing anything off??


If it were pasties and a swim suit top I could see the argument.

But cleavage occurs when wearing v neck clothing.

ETA

Who cares if men look? What do they see, a tiny portion of a boob crack. OOOOH, get the tissues!!

There is a difference in looking and Leering like a pervert.

edit on Sat, 18 Dec 2010 12:09:37 -0600 by hotbakedtater because: (no reason given)


I agree, there is definitely an absolute difference between looking and leering.

However, the majority female consensus in this thread seems to be that women should be allowed to expose their skin and if males do in fact look then they are automatically branded perverts and/or sexual pests.

I'll refer back to my original post, in the work place a degree of professionalism needs to be maintained and the feminine argument "I like my breasts and enjoy showing them off" does not wash with me.

In the work place, you come to work, not show off your skin.

Maybe some women can show off a bit of cleavage at work whilst still looking professional; I have no problems with that, but put simply - if your prepared to show it then be prepared to have it looked at.

All this talk about "you should be able to wear whatever you want at work as long as your productive" is also a crock full of crap, I can't expect to turn up at work wearing my skin tight boxers and my favourite vest, if anyone fails to understand the reasons why then they need to mature a little.
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posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 12:22 PM
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Just for the record, and the sake of clarity. Enough cleavage and I will stare like a dog watching somebody eat bacon. This is not perversion... it's 100,000 + years of genetics getting the better of me.


~Heff



posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 12:27 PM
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You may be right. Zoologists have determined that a probable reason why men love cleavage is its resemblance to the butt crack. Something to do with mating and survival instincts.



posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 12:48 PM
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So why can't walk around at work with my buttcrack showing without being subjected to male oppression of furry buttcracks? Why must I be judged on how classy I am based on what private areas I'm showing showing skin from? It's misandry. Women hate men because men have buttcracks. Pants without buttflaps are a conspiracy against men and a foothold for male oppression. All I want to do is trot around at work with my ass half hanging out of my pants, whats the big deal? They obviously don't understand since they have vaginas, there's a divide in understanding there because I said so.



posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 01:00 PM
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Originally posted by hotbakedtater
reply to post by InvisibleAlbatross
 


How is wearing a V neck shirt showing anything off??


If it were pasties and a swim suit top I could see the argument.

But cleavage occurs when wearing v neck clothing.

ETA

Who cares if men look? What do they see, a tiny portion of a boob crack. OOOOH, get the tissues!!

There is a difference in looking and Leering like a pervert.

edit on Sat, 18 Dec 2010 12:09:37 -0600 by hotbakedtater because: (no reason given)


As you said....

I love my breasts, they are a part of me I refuse to hide them. Many of my shirts are V cut, because I enjoy showcasing my best assetts, and I would hope that my work would be what people judge, not my breasts.



Your contradicting statements are what confuse men....and it really is not fair to men. As a woman, I really have no issue with women wanting to show off physical attributes - to each their own - but to do so and then turn around and make contradicting statements makes absolutely no sense at all.

What is the point in "showcasing" something if it is not to gain attention from others? Showcasing means: Look at me! Look at me! And why be annoyed when "showcasing" one's physical attributes it draws attention - no matter WHAT that attention is: positive or negative? When one is purposely trying to show off their breasts (er clevage) - then expect to be judged on the personal decision to show of your breasts. If you want to be judged for your brains and personality - showcase THOSE - not physical attributes. Logic. Very very very simple logic.

If one choses to showcase their physical attributes then one should be mature enough to take the positive compliments and the perverts too. Afterall you (in general) are the one displaying them for the world to look at. If it was for oneself, then you would walk around with a mirror facing you (in general).

And why does one feel the need to "showcase" physical attributes in an office environment where the work people are required to do has absolutely nothing to do with one's physical attributes? Unless one works in some modeling agency or clothing designer's office (for example)...

I just dont get it...
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posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 01:05 PM
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Ok, what's wrong with this photo, discuss (if you will):



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posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 01:06 PM
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Originally posted by bigrex
Ok, what's wrong with this photo, discuss (if you will):



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What is your point? This is discussion about appropriate attire in a professional work place. That is a highly photoshoped image which is an advert for a..............game

There is nothing wrong with the photo - it has nothing to do with the topic.


edit on December 18th 2010 by greeneyedleo because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 01:06 PM
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Originally posted by vox2442
I confess.

I've passed over two women for promotion over the years because of how they dressed, ie. short skirts and low necklines.

the business word for this kind of thing is (or was) "optics". How your actions look. And in both of those cases, I know I would have been facing a discrimination grievance from other women in the office, along the lines that I'd promoted them because they dress provocatively.... and even had those grievances not been put forward, the allegations would have been there. They started to appear the moment word got out that the women were being considered, and there is absolutely no reason to think they'd go away.

So... rather than deal with that, in both cases I went with equally capable, equally qualified employees with better dress sense. I don't regret the decision, as it made my life easier - and made the office run more smoothly, because it was pretty clear that no one was going to accept their position or authority.


Japanese guys are smart, well said sir.



posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 01:07 PM
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I need to resize it, i thought it was smaller, you need to scroll over to see the girl and her cleavage



posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 01:09 PM
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Originally posted by bigrex
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I need to resize it, i thought it was smaller, you need to scroll over to see the girl and her cleavage


I saw it. Please? What does it have to do with this topic? An advert for a game vs. proper attire for a professional workplace?



posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 01:12 PM
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Originally posted by greeneyedleo

Originally posted by bigrex
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I need to resize it, i thought it was smaller, you need to scroll over to see the girl and her cleavage


I saw it. Please? What does it have to do with this topic? An advert for a game vs. proper attire for a professional workplace?


She's showing cleavage is she not, I can remove it if you so require.



posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 01:19 PM
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I cropped out the portion promoting the television show, apparently some show in England with which I am not familiar. Anyway, I thought the visual aptly portrayed (in my mind) what is wrong with such attire in the workplace. I think some women, depending on how they are built, have to unbutton more to show cleavage, but my point is I would not want to go to work and be accosted by this scene, even if she were acting professional and not touching her finger to her lips. Frankly, some guys get turned on more by just a little cleavage (imagination factor) than if they were to see more exposed on the woman. So, it's a pretty awful thing to try to concentrate on your job when a woman is basically in essence attempting to throw your concentration out the door and run it over with a dump truck (semi-crude analogy but I would not say it's an exaggeration).
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posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 01:34 PM
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Originally posted by greeneyedleo

Originally posted by bigrex
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I need to resize it, i thought it was smaller, you need to scroll over to see the girl and her cleavage


I saw it. Please? What does it have to do with this topic? An advert for a game vs. proper attire for a professional workplace?


So, I'm trusting you spoke prematurely, again if needed I can remove it.
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posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by greeneyedleo
Your contradicting statements are what confuse men....and it really is not fair to men. As a woman, I really have no issue with women wanting to show off physical attributes - to each their own - but to do so and then turn around and make contradicting statements makes absolutely no sense at all.

What is the point in "showcasing" something if it is not to gain attention from others? Showcasing means: Look at me! Look at me! And why be annoyed when "showcasing" one's physical attributes it draws attention - no matter WHAT that attention is: positive or negative? When one is purposely trying to show off their breasts (er clevage) - then expect to be judged on the personal decision to show of your breasts. If you want to be judged for your brains and personality - showcase THOSE - not physical attributes. Logic. Very very very simple logic.

If one choses to showcase their physical attributes then one should be mature enough to take the positive compliments and the perverts too. Afterall you (in general) are the one displaying them for the world to look at. If it was for oneself, then you would walk around with a mirror facing you (in general).

And why does one feel the need to "showcase" physical attributes in an office environment where the work people are required to do has absolutely nothing to do with one's physical attributes? Unless one works in some modeling agency or clothing designer's office (for example)...

I just dont get it...
edit on December 18th 2010 by greeneyedleo because: (no reason given)


Excellent post greeneyedleo, starred from me.

Nice to see a women who understands the issue and points being made when the majority of females in this thread seem to the thread as a method to bash males and/or declare they are being oppressed in the work place.



posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 01:40 PM
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Just to make another quick point,

OP stated:



I love my breasts, they are a part of me I refuse to hide them. Many of my shirts are V cut, because I enjoy showcasing my best assetts, and I would hope that my work would be what people judge, not my breasts.


Which goes back to my original point, your at work to work not "showcase your best assetts", if you feel that way then maybe you should look at finding another job?

Why on earth anyone would want to showcase their physical "assets" at work is beyond me...

You can look nice, smart and professional without having to showcase anything, no offence OP but stating things like you want to "showcase your assets" at work sounds immature and also slightly promiscuous.

P.S. Forgot to add, OP if you don't want to be judged on your breasts then don't show them, easy....
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posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 02:18 PM
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I never claimed to be anything other than what I am. I like how I look in certain clothes, and thus feel more confident. I dress for myself, and if others cannot handle it or become confused thats their problem. What I do with my cleavage, whether showcasing it like the attention monger I am, or covering it up, is my decision. I don't care if it confuses other people, thats on them, not me.



posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 02:23 PM
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So this, from your OP:

Some women, like me, have rather large breasts. I love my breasts, they are a part of me I refuse to hide them. Many of my shirts are V cut, because I enjoy showcasing my best assetts (sic)


has now become this:

a tiny portion of a boob crack


Riiiight.



posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 02:28 PM
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Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
reply to post by undo
 


Maybe some guys but most employers don't view it this way. Look i was an employer and when a woman came in showing off her assets and flirted to try and get a job i had the logical question in my head asking why she needed to do that? Are her abilities not up to scratch and so she has to use her looks?


some women have such large breasts, even conservatively dressed, they are treated like they actually want to pose in playboy. it isn't that the woman in question may WANT to pose, it's that the guy is projecting his desire to see her posed in playboy, that's the problem.

there are books on this subject, of women who have such ample breasts, they are automatically categorized as unprofessional, and best suited for something not involving serious subjects. this is because when a woman is that well endowed, it's too distracting like big neon headlights, to a work environment. not that she's unprofessional but rather her obvious mammary glands are disrupting the flow of "serious" work-related thought. again, it's projection.



posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 02:34 PM
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Originally posted by bigrex
Ok, what's wrong with this photo, discuss (if you will):


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She's dressed perfectly.


- for roleplay with her sweetheart or in an expensive, "adventurous" brothel.
Just remember the ones role-playing teachers are more fun. They make you keep doing it until you get it right.



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